Brendan Rodgers

[Gamble92]

This highest finish in 46 years stuff too -

 

Who's telling him this? Whys it necessary? You're the 4th best paid manager in the league. How low do we set the bar just because 10 years ago we were crap?

 

Reminds me of when Savage was on radio saying Leicester's average Premier League finish is 12th so they should just be happy with losing almost every game and slumping into 5th. Where is the logic? Vardy, Maddison, Ricardo, Tielemans, Schmeichel, Fofana and Ndidi don't have any connection to Akinbiyi, Lee Marshall, Ian Walker, Frank Sinclair or Trevor ****ing Benjamin. Its the here and now. 

[Scanchez]

Realistically you can't be demand us to or be surprised if we don't finish above Man City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Spurs, Arsenal, Man Utd.

A good season for us would be to finish 7th. We finished 8th.

The Europa League was a let down but in the end we got knocked out in the semi finals of a European competition by Roma.

I'm not saying people don't have right to be disappointed but a tiny bit of perspective might be in order.

A great deal of our fans seem to be after Champions League football. That would be amazing but it can't be something we expect and be angry about if we don't get.

I think if we wouldn't have been so ravaged by injuries there is a good chance we would have finished about 6th and done a lot better in the Europa. It just wasn't to be.

We finished 8th not 18th, though.

[foxinsocks]

1 hour ago, Fox92 said:

Rodgers can only set up to beat the opposition on the day.

If we'd have lost you'd have been tearing into him.

 

Also I take it you're not praising any of the players then? Well done on scoring Maddison and Vardy but it's "only" Watford/Norwich/Southampton. 

I am simply saying that these three good performances do not mean that we have solved all our problems... three swallows don't make a summer...

[Mickyblueeyes]

For a guy who is so very careful with everything he says about EVERY single opposition team, player, manager we face, how can people pretend that he hasn’t got an agenda in his comments about us ?

 

I mean defend him all you want but don’t pretend he has no thought into what he is saying - he is quite good at his media duties. Or are Norwich/Watford/Newcastle/Burnley/Leeds/Forest/Accrington Stanley [delete as appropriate] the team we should all aspire to be like as Brendan tells us how wonderful they’re ?

 

 

[David Hankey]

Perhaps we should have a summer break from berating Brendan because a) it's becoming old hat and b) he ain't going anywhere yet.

[foxinsocks]

Just now, David Hankey said:

Perhaps we should have a summer break from berating Brendan because a) it's becoming old hat and b) he ain't going anywhere yet.

But this is foxestalk....

[Mickyblueeyes]

3 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Is it possible to have an agenda against yourself?  

Ah, that's where we differ you see. Same reason I can't accept some of the shortcomings this year. As Brendan says, its the mentality. 

[Jobyfox]

We spend all our time berating Rodgers and picking over every decision he makes and every nuance of every word in an interview and use everything as sticks to beat him with. Then we cry like schoolgirls when he criticises us - even if his words are carefully selected and diplomatic.

 

I think we deserve it! I said in an earlier post I can’t remember such a negative and miserable fan base in 30+ years watching Leicester. Let’s get behind the team as vocally as possible first. Brendan might have room for improvement, but so do we.

 

I have worries myself about our future direction, but you can’t really get rid of Rodgers based on our finishes to date. I’ve long thought that a best case scenario might be for us to finish top six and a bigger club come in for Brendan. He’d be off like a shot if that happened anyway and hopefully we are left with a manager we can all unite behind - and bring an end to this soporific negativity!! 

[Duncan_K]

11 hours ago, smudgerfox said:

None of the so called big six would have thrown that away.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Have Arsenal not just 'thrown it away' in a similar fashion to us? I think 4th place changes hands late in the season quite often over the years, there's a level of inconsistency outside of the top 2 or 3 every year that invites late runs for top 4 \ top 5 \ top 7. 

[Stadt]

We get bogged down in an increasing amount of issues in each passing season.

 

- late goals

- injuries

- set pieces

- inviting pressure on ourselves

- lack of physicality 

- uncreative 

- bottling

 

If Rodgers can solve 4 of these over the summer (very unlikely) then I'd be fully supportive of him. Instead it feels like it's one step forwards, two steps backwards most of the time now.

 

It's not exactly encouraging what he's said about set pieces during most of his time here, if he announced we're shaking up the set piece coaching and bringing a specialist in, everybody would be happy with that, it'd be an easy fix but doesn't look like we're changing tack.

 

 

Edited 24 May 2022 by Stadt

[David Hankey]

1 hour ago, foxinsocks said:

But this is foxestalk....

So, let's pick another subject instead of flogging one to death.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

1 hour ago, foxinsocks said:

But this is foxestalk....

For want of a better word.

[smudgerfox]

2 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

There is good reason for that. 

Perhaps you’d like to debate rather than just regally assuming your opinion is so transparently accurate as to need no further justification. 
 

Start with this: 

 Name me the other elite coach whose team has ended up  20th out of 20 in the PL conceding from set pieces chart ;

Name me the elite coach whose team finished 20th out of 20 in the conceding goals and dropping points in the last ten minutes; 

Explain the success of last summer’s recruitment. 
 

 

 

1 hour ago, Duncan_K said:

Have Arsenal not just 'thrown it away' in a similar fashion to us? I think 4th place changes hands late in the season quite often over the years, there's a level of inconsistency outside of the top 2 or 3 every year that invites late runs for top 4 \ top 5 \ top 7. 

Have they been top 4 all season? 

Edited 24 May 2022 by smudgerfox

[Aus Fox]

20 minutes ago, smudgerfox said:

Perhaps you’d like to debate rather than just regally assuming your opinion is so transparently accurate as to need no further justification. 
 

Start with this: 

 Name me the other elite coach whose team has ended up  20th out of 20 in the PL conceding from set pieces chart ;

Name me the elite coach whose team finished 20th out of 20 in the conceding goals and dropping points in the last ten minutes; 

Explain the success of last summer’s recruitment. 
 

 

 

Have they been top 4 all season? 

19th out of 20 for set pieces… thanks Everton!

[BenTheFox]

12 hours ago, smudgerfox said:

I agree with this. Those who big up Brendan assume those who are more critical don’t have a good word to say for him. RL and other city podcasts all seem to take the same view - they’re Brendan In - the seasons been destroyed by injuries and yes they’re are sone people who are Brendan Out. - but they’re just misguided.  People like us  are never heard on these programmes and podcasts - our views are briefly and simplistically summarised for us, and then dismissed.

 

On the fifth place finishes it really is quite simple.Of course it’s great for us to finish fifth. No one but no one is complaining about that. But when you go back and look at some of the games in which we dropped points, the manner in which we dropped points, and you take account of the fact we were in the top four nearly all season, that job should have been completed (twice).  And  had it been so our club would have been transformed. Even just competing in the group stage would have brought in money and made it easier to sign high calibre players. None of the so called big six would have thrown that away. It begs the question as to whether our manager is really ruthless enough, and given his recent comments, whether he truly believes our club deserves to be  in the Champions League. That is a worry.

As for this season, his blaming injuries for the under-par performances has been readily and widely accepted. But if you look under the bonnet there really is more to it than that.

 

Set pieces at both ends of the pitch - I don’t need to elaborate - but our lamentable performance in this area cannot be attributed solely to injuries. The summer signings - meant to expand the squad and make it easier to survive injury crises - but did nothing of the kind. One of them a centre back, whom, had he been a better choice , could have provided a better option than Amartey or Soyuncu. Conceding last minute goals - nothing to do with injuries. Had just one of these problems been quickly reversed we might have requalified for the Europa League. 
 

None of which means that BR and his team should pack their bags. But they need to do a whole lot better from now on and stop using easy excuses to pardon their failings. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Our terrible record at defending set pieces actually masks how bad we are at attacking them too. Can anyone remember the last time we scored from a corner? Set pieces are such a huge part of football. Some managers have made decent careers for themselves almost exclusively by making their teams good at them. I don't give a toss whether we score from a beautiful intricate passing moving where everyone touches the ball or whether we score a four-yard header from a corner. The outcome is the same. 

[Kinowe Soorie]

3 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

Our terrible record at defending set pieces actually masks how bad we are at attacking them too. Can anyone remember the last time we scored from a corner? Set pieces are such a huge part of football. Some managers have made decent careers for themselves almost exclusively by making their teams good at them. I don't give a toss whether we score from a beautiful intricate passing moving where everyone touches the ball or whether we score a four-yard header from a corner. The outcome is the same. 

Fofona? And I think Lookman took the corner.

[BenTheFox]

1 minute ago, Kinowe Soorie said:

Fofona? And I think Lookman took the corner.

Ahh of course. Still, we are terrible at them. 

[SouthStandUpperTier]

4 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

Our terrible record at defending set pieces actually masks how bad we are at attacking them too. Can anyone remember the last time we scored from a corner? Set pieces are such a huge part of football. Some managers have made decent careers for themselves almost exclusively by making their teams good at them. I don't give a toss whether we score from a beautiful intricate passing moving where everyone touches the ball or whether we score a four-yard header from a corner. The outcome is the same. 

Attempts on goal created from dead ball situations according to fbref. Utterly laughable 

 

Liverpool 99

Brentford 83 

Manchester City 79 

Brighton 77

Burnley 77

Newcastle Utd 75 

Aston Villa 73 

Arsenal 65

West Ham 65 

Everton 64 

Manchester Utd 64

Southampton 64 

Leeds United 62 

Chelsea 60 

Norwich City 59 

Crystal Palace 54 

Watford 53 

Tottenham 52 

Wolves 40

Leicester City 33 

[Sharpe's Fox]

9 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Attempts on goal created from dead ball situations according to fbref. Utterly laughable 

 

Liverpool 99

Brentford 83 

Manchester City 79 

Brighton 77

Burnley 77

Newcastle Utd 75 

Aston Villa 73 

Arsenal 65

West Ham 65 

Everton 64 

Manchester Utd 64

Southampton 64 

Leeds United 62 

Chelsea 60 

Norwich City 59 

Crystal Palace 54 

Watford 53 

Tottenham 52 

Wolves 40

Leicester City 33 

To play devils advocate, although that looks bad in isolation we score a lot of good goals from open play. We scored more goals than anyone outside the top four this season. If that's the case and as your table suggests we barely score from set pieces then it must suggest we play better football on the pitch than West Ham, Man U and Arsenal? Some supporters would say scoring a lot of goals from set pieces but not so many from open play would be 'boring' football.

 

Edited 24 May 2022 by Sharpe's Fox

[SouthStandUpperTier]

1 minute ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

To play devils advocate, although that looks bad in isolation we score a lot of good goals from open play. We scored more goals than anyone outside the top four this season. If that's the case and as your table suggests we barely score from set pieces then it must suggest we play better football on the pitch than West Ham, Man U and Arsenal? Some supporters would say scoring a lot of goals from set pieces but not so many from open play would be 'boring' football.

 

Agreed. But why not be good at both? It's definitely an area that needs to improve.

[Sharpe's Fox]

Just now, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Agreed. But why not be good at both? It's definitely an area that needs to improve.

It seems coherant to me that if you have small players who are technically proficient in open play then then the trade off is thy are not adept in set piece situations. Of course it's not mutually exclusive as Liverpool would suggest but maybe its not feasible for everyone to have 6ft 4 Rolls Royce defenders like Virgil Van Dijk and the best manager in the game supported by world class coaches even for set pieces and throw ins.

[BenTheFox]

3 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

It seems coherant to me that if you have small players who are technically proficient in open play then then the trade off is thy are not adept in set piece situations. Of course it's not mutually exclusive as Liverpool would suggest but maybe its not feasible for everyone to have 6ft 4 Rolls Royce defenders like Virgil Van Dijk and the best manager in the game supported by world class coaches even for set pieces and throw ins.

You say that but I would argue that the quality of the delivery is letting us down just as much as those trying to attack the ball. 

[StanSP]

2 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

For a guy who is so very careful with everything he says about EVERY single opposition team, player, manager we face, how can people pretend that he hasn’t got an agenda in his comments about us ?

 

I mean defend him all you want but don’t pretend he has no thought into what he is saying - he is quite good at his media duties. Or are Norwich/Watford/Newcastle/Burnley/Leeds/Forest/Accrington Stanley [delete as appropriate] the team we should all aspire to be like as Brendan tells us how wonderful they’re ?

 

 

You think he has an agenda about Leicester fans? 

[AKCJ]

3 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

This highest finish in 46 years stuff too -

 

Who's telling him this? Whys it necessary?

 

It's necessary because it gves perspective. Something Leicester fans apparently lack.

 

3 hours ago, Gamble92 said:

You're the 4th best paid manager in the league. How low do we set the bar just because 10 years ago we were crap?

 

Is finishing 8th and being in the semi final of the Conference league setting the bar low? I don't think it is, especially when you take in the perspective that for large parts of the season we were missing our best fullbacks, our best centre backs, our best defensive midfielder and our best striker.

 

Not sure why Brendan's wage particularly matters. The players are the ones that go out there and play and we've got the 7th most expensive squad in the division in terms of wages and the 8th most expensive in terms of transfer fees.

[Fox92]

7 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

It's necessary because it gves perspective. Something Leicester fans apparently lack.

 

Is finishing 8th and being in the semi final of the Conference league setting the bar low? I don't think it is, especially when you take in the perspective that for large parts of the season we were missing our best fullbacks, our best centre backs, our best defensive midfielder and our best striker.

 

Not sure why Brendan's wage particularly matters. The players are the ones that go out there and play and we've got the 7th most expensive squad in the division in terms of wages and the 8th most expensive in terms of transfer fees.

It doesn't but people are obsessed with it.