Sharpe's Fox Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 1 hour ago, murphy said: It still stings, even now, for me. Mainly because chance to qualify for The CL for a club like ours is practically unheard of and we blew it. Twice. It would also have had a massive impact on the quality of player we could have attracted instead of the woeful summer window of last year. That said I take some solace from watching West Ham spend the majority of the season in fourth and end up seventh. Perhaps it is almost impossible for clubs without the depth of squads of the big six to sustain top four quality over the course of a season? Especially with European commitments. We did it once of course but miracles are only called miracles because they are extremely rare. Plus we had virtually no injuries that season. Knowing that Manchester United and Chelsea were slumming it with bottom tier managers for the majority of those seasons and looking at the games we dropped points in when 2 or 3 would have secured CL football in its impossible to not conclude we blew it completely. West Hams situation wasn't so clear cut. We had two amazing chances and didn't take them. Time to move on knowing we will never get a better one. Really annoying. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 4 hours ago, smudgerfox said: No he isn’t but he seems knowledgable to me. He actually went through the BR/LC recruitment in one post and there were similar patterns - new signings who made little impact to the point you wondered why they were signed in the first place. A team which relied heavily on players he inherited. Some of the performances in Europe were familiar - heavy capitulations, inability to break down determinedly defensive and essentially poor opponents. Add in the poor defensive record of BRs Liverpool team who threw away the PL in the last throes of the season and you do have some striking similarities. The facts are there if you bother to look for them. Fella it's football,like all sport we hams of humans are fickle & fallable more so those who chase stats to try & prove a totally irrelevant character assasination...Life is too short for this crap.I am sorry...every career path has its wobbles, and outside irrelevant judgements.. I enjoy the game, not those monsters that lurk in those scary corners that help to feed agendas over all those individual managers & players.... Ditto for FT fans, & media running around with a self-opinionated broom swishing into those dark corners.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 What's his one quip that drives you up the wall? Mine's got to be anything that he finishes with " in the game " " we had that physicality in the game " " we didn't move the ball quick enough in the game " AAAARRRGGGHHHH 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 1 hour ago, murphy said: It still stings, even now, for me. Mainly because chance to qualify for The CL for a club like ours is practically unheard of and we blew it. Twice. It would also have had a massive impact on the quality of player we could have attracted instead of the woeful summer window of last year. That said I take some solace from watching West Ham spend the majority of the season in fourth and end up seventh. Perhaps it is almost impossible for clubs without the depth of squads of the big six to sustain top four quality over the course of a season? Especially with European commitments. We did it once of course but miracles are only called miracles because they are extremely rare. Plus we had virtually no injuries that season. Proves how fans underate those every single weekly moments, through ALL the 38 games,prove the chasm are larger than anticipated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: What's his one quip that drives you up the wall? Mine's got to be anything that he finishes with " in the game " " we had that physicality in the game " " we didn't move the ball quick enough in the game " AAAARRRGGGHHHH His expressions/sayings are the worst. ‘Top top’ ‘wonderful technician’ 🤢 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Shep Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 The FA cup win more than softened the blow of missing out on the top 4 although it still hurt a little. But last season it just didn't seem to click, yes 8th is a good finish considering injures but the performances over all were shocking throughout most of the season which is why I was slating him a lot of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfc_forever Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, murphy said: It still stings, even now, for me. Mainly because chance to qualify for The CL for a club like ours is practically unheard of and we blew it. Twice. It would also have had a massive impact on the quality of player we could have attracted instead of the woeful summer window of last year. That said I take some solace from watching West Ham spend the majority of the season in fourth and end up seventh. Perhaps it is almost impossible for clubs without the depth of squads of the big six to sustain top four quality over the course of a season? Especially with European commitments. We did it once of course but miracles are only called miracles because they are extremely rare. Plus we had virtually no injuries that season. I think the first one we blew - our form was poor from January - losing to Norwich was an abysmal result. Soyuncu’s form fell away a lot, but when it looked like we were turning things round after the big win vs Villa, Covid arrived. We just didn’t really get going in the restart - even if we’d beat Bournemouth, I think Man U would have still pipped us. Rodgers mindset changed to becoming more defensive and protecting what we had, as shown by the tactics vs Brighton. We were very lucky to be where we were 2nd time around, so I don’t think we blew it. Injuries just became too much for us in the end - losing Evans, and then Fofana was too much for us to handle. Add in Justin’s injury as well, that’s 3 quarters of our defence and Maddison’s form deserted him after injury as well. Somehow, Ihenacho’s Messi-esque run almost got us there. That said, if either Evans or Fofana had been fit for the full match vs Spurs and/or Evans hadn’t pulled up in the warm-up vs Newcastle, I think we would have made CL. Edited 5 June 2022 by lcfc_forever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 21 hours ago, Guest454545 said: He also won every domestic trophy he was in for at Celtic. Why doesn't that factor into the equation here? I scored 20+ goals a season in the Sunday Alliance Div3, why am I not compared to Jamie Vardy? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post murphy Posted 5 June 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 5 June 2022 While we are raking over the painful end of season capitulations, we do have to give credit to Rogers for lifting us from an 8th/9th place team under Puel to a team breaking into the top six twice. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes_rule1978 Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, murphy said: While we are raking over the painful end of season capitulations, we do have to give credit to Rogers for lifting us from an 8th/9th place team under Puel to a team breaking into the top six twice. Won the fa cup as well, I have been on the edge and understand why people don’t feel he is the man to move us forward. The football has been terrible this season until those last few games. At the same time you have to remember we have had so so many injuries, way more than usual, so when those cleared up we did improve. Edited 5 June 2022 by foxes_rule1978 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep blue Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 3 hours ago, 5waller5 said: I scored 20+ goals a season in the Sunday Alliance Div3, why am I not compared to Jamie Vardy? Perhaps your Eagle celebration doesn't match Vardy's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 5 hours ago, murphy said: While we are raking over the painful end of season capitulations, we do have to give credit to Rogers for lifting us from an 8th/9th place team under Puel to a team breaking into the top six twice. I’ve never been happier about throwing away a nearly guaranteed Champions league place. I was happy when he achieved that the first time. The second time, I was embarrassed that such a small club could be again gifted with such opulence. Some people concentrate on the collapse. But I concentrate on the initial great form that allowed the collapse. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 3 hours ago, deep blue said: Perhaps your Eagle celebration doesn't match Vardy's 😂 That must be it - I’m working on my eagle celebration right now!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FoxInTheBirstallBox Posted 5 June 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 5 June 2022 8 hours ago, foxinsocks said: When I watch Rodgers interviews he seems to be deflecting. He is more careful now as he got his fingers burned by suggesting the players were at fault... or that the fans are entitled. But he seems to have a veneer. So what is it he wont admit to? He would be more likeable if he admitted that he needs to look at his own decisions and tactics. Yet his narrative is all about spinning his achievements at Leicester (... kind of reprising his lastest draft). Truth is that his recuitment record is very poor... yet his direction now will depend on recruitment. I expect we will make changes ...and struggle. I think he does too which is why he is polishing his narative. Or maybe media interviews are just a box ticking exercise and you shouldn't look into it too much... Unless it suits your narrative We all knew big nige was a dick to the media and seemed insufferable and arrogant ect, yet in real life he's an absolute great guy. What you see in the media isnt the real person 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafewayFox Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 9 minutes ago, FoxInTheBirstallBox said: Or maybe media interviews are just a box ticking exercise and you shouldn't look into it too much... Unless it suits your narrative We all knew big nige was a dick to the media and seemed insufferable and arrogant ect, yet in real life he's an absolute great guy. What you see in the media isnt the real person Which I totally get but did NP have a big portrait of himself in his front room? I honestly think Rodgers is def similar to his media version. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post moore_94 Posted 5 June 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 5 June 2022 1 minute ago, SafewayFox said: Which I totally get but did NP have a big portrait of himself in his front room? I honestly think Rodgers is def similar to his media version. It was a painting that was gifted to him by the disabled fans of the Swansea Supporters Club after his contributions to the charity It was also nearly 10 years ago 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxInTheBirstallBox Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 4 minutes ago, SafewayFox said: Which I totally get but did NP have a big portrait of himself in his front room? I honestly think Rodgers is def similar to his media version. If you're going to make stuff up, at least go all out saying Brendan stamps on babies. Not just waffle on about your own assumptions. 1 minute ago, moore_94 said: It was a painting that was gifted to him by the disabled fans of the Swansea Supporters Club after his contributions to the charity It was also nearly 10 years ago BuT tHaT dOeSnT sUiT mY aRgUmEnT 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafewayFox Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 Just now, FoxInTheBirstallBox said: If you're going to make stuff up, at least go all out saying Brendan stamps on babies. Not just waffle on about your own assumptions. BuT tHaT dOeSnT sUiT mY aRgUmEnT Come on now the portrait was a tongue in cheek joke. I don’t think it’s that hard to envision that like all successful managers that he doesn’t have an ego yet you played him down as some modest Larry. Ok, let’s stick with your theory that on a personal level he’s a lovely, humble person. I will never once doubt Rodger’s personality trait ever again because only crazy pEoPlE TyPe LiKe ThIs 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 Has he gone yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharpe's Fox Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 27 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said: Has he gone yet? Gone on a nice, expensive holiday paid for with his top 5 highest wage in the league, which he will still be receiving for the foreseeable. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 (edited) I'm enjoying the revisionism. We didn't have two half season collapses, throwing away Champions League places, twice We achieved fifth place, twice! We didn't limp out of three completely forgettable European campaigns We had three European campaigns! We didn't fail to qualify for the CL, then fail to qualify for the European second tier despite being favourites, and subsequently fail in the third tier We were in a European semi final! We didn't just beat Man City's academy We won silverware this season! At least we can all agree we won the FA cup. That was good. Edited 5 June 2022 by Foxxed I forgot the European semi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
murphy Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 43 minutes ago, Foxxed said: I'm enjoying the revisionism. We didn't have two half season collapses, throwing away Champions League places, twice We achieved fifth place, twice! We didn't limp out of three completely forgettable European campaigns We had three European campaigns! We didn't fail to qualify for the CL, then fail to qualify for the European second tier despite being favourites, and subsequently fail in the third tier We were in a European semi final! We didn't just beat Man City's academy We won silverware this season! At least we can all agree we won the FA cup. That was good. Perhaps you could give me a long list of other seasons when we achieved any of those things? I like the FA Cup as a begrudging afterthought btw, like it's nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Guest Posted 5 June 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 5 June 2022 48 minutes ago, Foxxed said: I'm enjoying the revisionism. We didn't have two half season collapses, throwing away Champions League places, twice We achieved fifth place, twice! We didn't limp out of three completely forgettable European campaigns We had three European campaigns! We didn't fail to qualify for the CL, then fail to qualify for the European second tier despite being favourites, and subsequently fail in the third tier We were in a European semi final! We didn't just beat Man City's academy We won silverware this season! At least we can all agree we won the FA cup. That was good. Is it revisionism or are they just things that happened? Of course you can be as positive or negative about the last few seasons as you please but if you're capable of keeping two thoughts in your head at the same time then it's possible to think, for example, that finishing 5th was both a disappointment given the season we had and a success relative to our budget and expectations. It doesn't have to be the pinnacle of human achievement or the biggest disgrace ever with nothing in between. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, murphy said: Perhaps you could give me a long list of other seasons when we achieved any of those things? I like the FA Cup as a begrudging afterthought btw, like it's nothing. It's not that we didn't do them. It's that they're seen as achievements, rather than let downs. Were you over the moon when we collapsed so completely that we missed out on a Champions League spot that most thought we'd get after throwing away a massive, massive points lead? The only reason we finished fifth was because there weren't any more team we could lose to. Edited 6 June 2022 by Foxxed 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 5 June 2022 Share Posted 5 June 2022 3 hours ago, moore_94 said: It was a painting that was gifted to him by the disabled fans of the Swansea Supporters Club after his contributions to the charity It was also nearly 10 years ago ...that has a sort of Dorian Gray vibe, all over it!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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