Brendan Rodgers

[Grebfromgrebland]

21 hours ago, ealingfox said:

 

We aren't an elite club - but we pay Rodgers an elite salary.

Which he has justified easily

[Guest454545]

3 hours ago, Stadt said:

Rodgers isn't very introspective in my opinion, weaknesses are only addressed when they're acknowledged in the first place. He denied set pieces were a problem until December time and he seems to attribute blame on a lack of physicality rather than our coaching. It'd certainly help if we had bigger players but that's tackling a symptom rather than the root cause.

 

 

 

It's not just a case of man marking, zonal or a mixed system it's about discipline and devoting the time to work on set pieces. There's no silver bullet it takes more than just physicality. The Roma goal we conceded was from poor organisation, they are a more physical side but Abraham should have been more of a priority given he's 6'4 and strong aerially. Even Vardy (spare man at the front post) would have been a better option than Pereira to mark Abraham. Justin has consistently quite weak in the air so selecting Castagne instead was an option too.

 

I was listening to a podcast the other day from a former Brentford & Arsenal set piece coach, Andreas Georgson, he was essentially saying the manager decides how important set pieces are. Arsenal had a chronic problem but Arteta addressed it by bringing him in and allocated enough time to it training. Set pieces are boring and players hate it but teams become better at set pieces through mentality and discipline, they put the hard work in with a coach and reap the rewards rather than viewing it as an afterthought.

 

Whether it's Stowell, Davies, Toure, Sadler or Matthew Edge set pieces clearly isn't their strength so we should bring in a specialist (if we're sticking by Rodgers) to take over. Even if they're on £200k p/a (they're not) a PL goal is worth roughly £1m so even a an improvement of just 2 goals would be worth it.

 

On the other hand, if it was a coaching issue, it would be present in all of his teams, every season, no? Does that stack up? Are his teams regularly near the top in the "worst at defending set pieces"? (I don't know, I haven't looked it up)

 

Is it possible this is just a freak season for you? Or does the evidence show Rodgers teams consistently being the worst at defending set pieces?

[Foxxed]

1 hour ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

Which he has justified easily

He justified this fifth highest wages two seasons ago and the season before that. But this last season, no.

[PAPA LAZAROU]

6 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Well you're just way off of the mark. I've been trying to give a balanced assessment of the tie and you're essentially just saying "it's Rodgers' fault". Makes the whole discussion pointless.

Your " balanced" assessment is Way off the Mark. you are just essentially saying Rodgers was not at fault for anything. If anything your Assessment is pointless. If you read what was posted on here after the semi final matches you will realise you are in a very small minority who think it was all ok.  But having said that I've enjoyed our counter points pmcla 26 it's exactly what a debate on this site should be . 

[PAPA LAZAROU]

19 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

Yes, but thats football fine margins.

 

I'd agree with your previous statement if Roma had played us off the park.

 

But they didn't in both legs they took the lead and shut up shop.

 

 

 

Which is what we should have done in the first leg.

[Stadt]

2 hours ago, Guest454545 said:

On the other hand, if it was a coaching issue, it would be present in all of his teams, every season, no? Does that stack up? Are his teams regularly near the top in the "worst at defending set pieces"? (I don't know, I haven't looked it up)

 

Is it possible this is just a freak season for you? Or does the evidence show Rodgers teams consistently being the worst at defending set pieces?

Set pieces conceded rank (via whoscored):

21/22 - =20th

20/21- 15th

19/20 - 6th

18/19 - 1st

 

 

[FoxinNotts]

1 hour ago, Stadt said:

Set pieces conceded rank (via whoscored):

21/22 - =20th

20/21- 15th

19/20 - 6th

18/19 - 1st

 

 

Good news is this stat can only either improve, or at worst plateau out and then improve 👍🏼

[Stadt]

3 minutes ago, FoxinNotts said:

Good news is this stat can only either improve, or at worst plateau out and then improve 👍🏼

I should have posted the absolute numbers as well, but I can’t be arsed now I’ve had a beer 

[Guest Col city fan]

15 hours ago, Stadt said:

Set pieces conceded rank (via whoscored):

21/22 - =20th

20/21- 15th

19/20 - 6th

18/19 - 1st

 

 

Blimey that really does make it clear doesn’t it! Ten million a season Rodgers has taken us from best to worst in 4 years for set pieces conceded! (If I’m reading that right)?

Even the biggest pro Rodgers must find that stat alarming 

[Claudio Fannieri]

2 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Blimey that really does make it clear doesn’t it! Ten million a season Rodgers has taken us from best to worst in 4 years for set pieces conceded! (If I’m reading that right)?

Even the biggest pro Rodgers must find that stat alarming 

But In that same period we have gone from 20th to 1st in rankings for aimless passes between the two centre backs 😂

[SafewayFox]

39 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

Blimey that really does make it clear doesn’t it! Ten million a season Rodgers has taken us from best to worst in 4 years for set pieces conceded! (If I’m reading that right)?

Even the biggest pro Rodgers must find that stat alarming 

It’s definitely indefensible but sadly it’s not new news whether you love Rodgers or not mate.

 

In Rodgers defence it does prove him right to an extent about profile of player as Maguire was great at putting his giant slab head onto pretty much everything.

I’m more worried that we didn’t look much better at corners even with Fofana and Evans back.

[Claudio Fannieri]

20 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

It’s definitely indefensible but sadly it’s not new news whether you love Rodgers or not mate.

 

In Rodgers defence it does prove him right to an extent about profile of player as Maguire was great at putting his giant slab head onto pretty much everything.

I’m more worried that we didn’t look much better at corners even with Fofana and Evans back.

Which suggests it’s more about our set up and coaching at set pieces rather than profile of player. I would suggest Evans, Fofana, Ndidi, Amartey and Soyuncu are equally as aggressive defensively as Maguire was and yet we look so vulnerable, therefore our failings have to align with tactical set up 

[coolhandfox]

17 hours ago, Stadt said:

Set pieces conceded rank (via whoscored):

21/22 - =20th

20/21- 15th

19/20 - 6th

18/19 - 1st

 

 

Don't know where you get the stats from for that but for context what have we been like for the rest of the time we have been back in the PL.

 

Interestingly, the pattern matches Ndidi availability, could be a coincidence, but personally think it one of the reasons 

 

Ndidi PL games played

 

21/22 -19

20/21 -26

19/20 - 32

18/19 - 38

 

Sorry just seen you put form whoscored 

 

 

Edited 11 June 2022 by coolhandfox

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, SafewayFox said:

It’s definitely indefensible but sadly it’s not new news whether you love Rodgers or not mate.

 

In Rodgers defence it does prove him right to an extent about profile of player as Maguire was great at putting his giant slab head onto pretty much everything.

I’m more worried that we didn’t look much better at corners even with Fofana and Evans back.

No surprise we were great with Maguire in the side.

 

We need Fofana, Evans and Ndidi all together. 

[BKLFox]

2 hours ago, Col city fan said:

Blimey that really does make it clear doesn’t it! Ten million a season Rodgers has taken us from best to worst in 4 years for set pieces conceded! (If I’m reading that right)?

Even the biggest pro Rodgers must find that stat alarming 

I wonder what the training method is to un-train a player’s ability to head a ball, Seagrave training balls made of lead or have spikes on them  🤷‍♂️ 

[Dames]

I think Pochettino leaving PSG will put pressure on Rodgers. It removes the ‘theres nobody available’ argument and I imagine the window to appoint a manager of that calibre will be quite small. 
 

A bad transfer window and a bad start to the season and I can see the club taking a gamble. I wouldn’t be surprised if we are in contact at some point this summer. 

[sacreblueits442]

3 minutes ago, Dames said:

I think Pochettino leaving PSG will put pressure on Rodgers. It removes the ‘theres nobody available’ argument and I imagine the window to appoint a manager of that calibre will be quite small. 
 

A bad transfer window and a bad start to the season and I can see the club taking a gamble. I wouldn’t be surprised if we are in contact at some point this summer. 

...I  cannot see Pochettino ever coming here!!!

  We are talking top 4 teams in the Premier League, I can't see him leaving PSG to come here.

  With all the mistakes and monies wasted by PSG you wonder if they might stop throwing money around and have a serious plan in taking their club forward. Maybe one option is to stop the merry go round of managers and bring in a manager, like Rodgers. I am sure Rodgers would jump at the chance.

[coolhandfox]

25 minutes ago, Dames said:

I think Pochettino leaving PSG will put pressure on Rodgers. It removes the ‘theres nobody available’ argument and I imagine the window to appoint a manager of that calibre will be quite small. 
 

A bad transfer window and a bad start to the season and I can see the club taking a gamble. I wouldn’t be surprised if we are in contact at some point this summer. 

Not a chance.

[Dames]

16 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Not a chance.

10 million a year might make it more possible than you think. We are a better team than the Spurs one he took over and none of the big jobs won't be available for a while it seems.

[winteriscoming]

1 hour ago, Dames said:

10 million a year might make it more possible than you think. We are a better team than the Spurs one he took over and none of the big jobs won't be available for a while it seems.

If/when Rodgers leaves we won’t offer another manager whoever he is 10m a year. 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Dames said:

10 million a year might make it more possible than you think. We are a better team than the Spurs one he took over and none of the big jobs won't be available for a while it seems.

 

2 hours ago, Dames said:

I think Pochettino leaving PSG will put pressure on Rodgers. It removes the ‘theres nobody available’ argument and I imagine the window to appoint a manager of that calibre will be quite small. 
 

A bad transfer window and a bad start to the season and I can see the club taking a gamble. I wouldn’t be surprised if we are in contact at some point this summer. 

Seriously mate ….it’s not the money 

[coolhandfox]

1 hour ago, Dames said:

10 million a year might make it more possible than you think. We are a better team than the Spurs one he took over and none of the big jobs won't be available for a while it seems.

His not the same manager he was before he took over Spurs, he has a much larger profile now.

 

I can see him going to Spain next

[Dames]

11 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

 

Seriously mate ….it’s not the money 

Are you saying we aren’t big enough? One of the more successful English teams of the past decade, recent FA Cup win and top 5 finishes that should have been higher alongside the best training facility in the country. Along with a hefty salary what else am I missing?

 

11 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

His not the same manager he was before he took over Spurs, he has a much larger profile now.

 

I can see him going to Spain next

And we aren’t exactly tinpot. He’s took a bruising at PSG and from all accounts wants to come back to the Prem. 
 

I’m not saying its nailed on but if Rodgers starts the season poorly and he’s still available it would be worth a conversation. There is a lot about our club to be interested in. 

[OntarioFox]

We're clueless defending set pieces, playing crap possession for possession's sake football, and everything we do in the final third produces nothing! Had enough. 

 

... oh wait, sorry lads, thought this was the England thread. 

[Stinkenzo]

Pochettino would be more likely to jump ship at the drop of a hat when a better offer comes along than Rodgers for the last few years