Ric Flair Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 44 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said: Believe it or not I’m less fussed about that. Much prefer watching a team trying to score more goals than the opposition rather than watching a team trying to stop the other from scoring But we do score a lot of goals and the goals we concede for the most part aren't as a consequence of always attacking. If you aren't concerned about a basic fundamental of football which is to defend set pieces that we are failing at then I'm not sure we'll ever play the bespoke football you seem to care about. Sort the set piece issue out, iron out the dallying about on the ball at the back which often leads to unforced errors and focus on what we are good at which is being very efficient in front of goal and especially when we attack with pace and intensity and we are a team to watch. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: But we do score a lot of goals and the goals we concede for the most part aren't as a consequence of always attacking. If you aren't concerned about a basic fundamental of football which is to defend set pieces that we are failing at then I'm not sure we'll ever play the bespoke football you seem to care about. Sort the set piece issue out, iron out the dallying about on the ball at the back which often leads to unforced errors and focus on what we are good at which is being very efficient in front of goal and especially when we attack with pace and intensity and we are a team to watch. We've been an absolute freak in front of goal the last 2 seasons scoring 10 and 12 more than our xG compared with our best attacking season 19/20 where we only bested it by 5. Set peices obviously need to be sorted out. So does out attacking play though, if we keep relying on scoring half chances most games then it will come back to bite us eventually. Spending 60-70 minutes most games showing no intention of getting men into the box and trying to create something is incredibly tedious to watch. Especially when you've seen what the same group of players have been capable of previously. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 1 hour ago, The Year Of The Fox said: Believe it or not I’m less fussed about that. Much prefer watching a team trying to score more goals than the opposition rather than watching a team trying to stop the other from scoring An interesting critique of Rodgers in his 3 full seasons in charge, only Man City (284), Liverpool (247), Chelsea (203) and Spurs (198) have scored more than Leicester (197) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 21 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Sort the set piece issue out, iron out the dallying about on the ball at the back which often leads to unforced errors and focus on what we are good at which is being very efficient in front of goal and especially when we attack with pace and intensity and we are a team to watch. One thing that has been especially frustrating is passing the ball behind players, making them receive it with back to goal. It has slowed down so many attacks, when there was acres of space in front of the guy...I don't know why we have been so poor at this the past 12 months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coolhandfox Posted 28 June 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 28 June 2022 Another one for the Rodgers haters, only the big 6 have taken more points than Leicester in his 3 full seasons in charge. Liverpool 260 Manchester 260 Chelsea 205 Manchester United 198 Spurs 192 Arsenal 186 Leicester City 180 With both West ham (20) and Wolves (25) points further back 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Year Of The Fox Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 1 hour ago, coolhandfox said: Another one for the Rodgers haters, only the big 6 have taken more points than Leicester in his 3 full seasons in charge. Liverpool 260 Manchester 260 Chelsea 205 Manchester United 198 Spurs 192 Arsenal 186 Leicester City 180 With both West ham (20) and Wolves (25) points further back Nobody is really disputing the first two seasons even if there was a serious decline in both (in terms of results that led us to finish 5th) and performances which have dropped off since before the pandemic. I don’t think anyone is claiming Rodgers has been a bad manager for us on the whole either. How can they? Whether you think Rodgers can improve us on last season or not though is a totally different question 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxinsocks Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 14 minutes ago, The Year Of The Fox said: Nobody is really disputing the first two seasons even if there was a serious decline in both (in terms of results that led us to finish 5th) and performances which have dropped off since before the pandemic. I don’t think anyone is claiming Rodgers has been a bad manager for us on the whole either. How can they? Whether you think Rodgers can improve us on last season or not though is a totally different question Claudio won the league... but he had to go. Rodgers has done some good... but I think he will struggle now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 I think the club is starting to find out its easier to swap a manager than to overhaul a playing squad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 3 hours ago, coolhandfox said: Another one for the Rodgers haters, only the big 6 have taken more points than Leicester in his 3 full seasons in charge. Liverpool 260 Manchester 260 Chelsea 205 Manchester United 198 Spurs 192 Arsenal 186 Leicester City 180 With both West ham (20) and Wolves (25) points further back Far too simplistic, can you show us a momentum graph please of his PPG from when he joined to now? I expect you might see a downwards spiral. Claudio's table would have been similar given he got 80+ points in his only full season with us. To make my point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bucks fox Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 3 hours ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said: One thing that has been especially frustrating is passing the ball behind players, making them receive it with back to goal. It has slowed down so many attacks, when there was acres of space in front of the guy...I don't know why we have been so poor at this the past 12 months. I don't get this either, often I've seen huge spaces between left/right full backs/wing backs and the opposing centre backs an area that Vardy would dearly love to see the ball played into, but what happens.......... we pass it wide right or wide left. I also believe this style of play doesn't/won't suit Daka either. Our attackers best strength sometimes is running directly at the opposition with the ball at their feet, but we are all too predictable as well, as every time we play knows where the ball is going as well. Makes defending against us so much eaiser. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 2 hours ago, Chrysalis said: Far too simplistic, can you show us a momentum graph please of his PPG from when he joined to now? I expect you might see a downwards spiral. Claudio's table would have been similar given he got 80+ points in his only full season with us. To make my point. 19/20 PPG 1.63 20/21 PPG 1.73 21/22 PPG 1.45 So last season is 0.28 PPG game worse then his best season point wise 20/21 and 0.18 worse then his first season 19/20 I think considering circumstance that's ok. First 19 games of last season was 1.36 PPG. Last 19 games of last season was 1.52 PPG So you could argue we are on a upwards curve. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretPro Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 His rebuild is going well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 25 minutes ago, SecretPro said: His rebuild is going well. We thought we needed a right winger last season. Rodgers proved we didn't need a right winger. This season we think we need a rebuild. Rodgers will prove we don't need a rebuild. Believe. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 1 hour ago, SecretPro said: His rebuild is going well. His or the clubs? Cos the latter are well aware it’s needed and how the inflated wage bill is hurting the headline financial figures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourbon Fox Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 1 hour ago, Foxxed said: We thought we needed a right winger last season. Rodgers proved we didn't need a right winger. This season we think we need a rebuild. Rodgers will prove we don't need a rebuild. Believe. That's great Rodgers has been the one publicly saying that we need the rebuild, though 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 3 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said: That's great Rodgers has been the one publicly saying that we need the rebuild, though I'm far from Brendan's biggest fan, but let's be fair to him and quote him correctly. I don't believe he ever used the term 'rebuild'. He said the squad needed a 'refresh'. It's an important distinction to make as one is far more drastic than the other. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bourbon Fox Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 1 minute ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: I'm far from Brendan's biggest fan, but let's be fair to him and quote him correctly. I don't believe he ever used the term 'rebuild'. He said the squad needed a 'refresh'. It's an important distinction to make as one is far more drastic than the other. Fair. Not sure that Foxxed was drawing that distinction though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dames Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 7 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: I'm far from Brendan's biggest fan, but let's be fair to him and quote him correctly. I don't believe he ever used the term 'rebuild'. He said the squad needed a 'refresh'. It's an important distinction to make as one is far more drastic than the other. The terminology used is neither here nor there it essentially means the same thing. One is just a softer way of putting it. Either way at the minute we are getting neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 2 minutes ago, Dames said: The terminology used is neither here nor there it essentially means the same thing. One is just a softer way of putting it. Either way at the minute we are getting neither. The distinction is important. Rebuild to me suggests tearing it down and starting again. That was never going to happen. A refresh suggests cutting away some deadwood and adding some young up and coming talent. There is still plenty of time for the latter as there is still over 2 months left of this transfer window, although I did think we would have done something by now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jobyfox Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 1 hour ago, Foxxed said: We thought we needed a right winger last season. Rodgers proved we didn't need a right winger. This season we think we need a rebuild. Rodgers will prove we don't need a rebuild. Believe. I’m far from Rodgers’s biggest detractor, but please point out the moment when Rodgers “proved we didn’t need a right winger”. I must have missed that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxxed Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 48 minutes ago, Bourbon Fox said: That's great Rodgers has been the one publicly saying that we need the rebuild, though Yeah it's tongue in cheek. Let's give him time. It's early days. There's no need to panic. He's never had problems getting in the right players before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 43 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said: I'm far from Brendan's biggest fan, but let's be fair to him and quote him correctly. I don't believe he ever used the term 'rebuild'. He said the squad needed a 'refresh'. It's an important distinction to make as one is far more drastic than the other. "I'd love the opportunity to rebuild the squad and continue with what has been a great time that I've had here so far." 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthStandUpperTier Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 Just now, Ric Flair said: "I'd love the opportunity to rebuild the squad and continue with what has been a great time that I've had here so far." Oops. My bad. The plum DID say rebuild then. Get a move on then Brendan. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lambert09 Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 2 hours ago, SecretPro said: His rebuild is going well. 5 hours ago, Chrysalis said: I think the club is starting to find out its easier to swap a manager than to overhaul a playing squad. A rebuild doesn’t feel right when it’s this manager who brought in the players we need to replace. Other than maybe Hamza, these are rodgers guys that need replacing… so is rodgers really the guy for it? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HybridFox Posted 28 June 2022 Share Posted 28 June 2022 2 hours ago, SecretPro said: His rebuild is going well. Reduce reuse recycle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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