Brendan Rodgers

[inckley fox]

5 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

So who in our history has actually been a better manager for us? 
 

Ranieri over one season? 
 

In my lifetime I can’t think of any others. 
 

Amazes me we’re one game in and people are calling for him to go. Absolutely mental. 

On balance he's definitely been up there with our best managers. The best? He's got our highest average finish, apart from maybe Willie Orr in the 1920s, and he's won a fairly major trophy too. You can't complain too much. Personally, from my lifetime, I'd look at O'Neill taking a side up, securing four top half finishes with very little net spend, and picking up two League Cups, as an even greater achievement. Or Pearson taking a side up two divisions, keeping it up, and assembling a side that'd become the most unexpected title winners in the history of the modern game. Ranieri, of course, for winning that title.

 

It's hard to compare Rodgers to past managers, because he's taken over the club in a much healthier position, on paper at least, than any previous manager: 12th at the time, champions a few years prior, one of the youngest squads in the division and an 80 million sale on the horizon. Add to that the well-publicised suggestion that there was an impasse between players and the manager at the time, and he'd obviously have fancied his chances of doing better in the actual league table than in the wages league table. You could argue that three other managers in our history - Orr, McLintock, Taylor - also inherited sides which were established over time in mid-table, and which contained respected pedigree - but those were much older squads with far less resources, and far less success under their belt.

 

I'm very appreciative of what Rodgers has done. He's been, by and large, a very good manager. The questions for me, since the early months of this year, have been whether he'd be the best person to oversee a rebuild (hardly a problem, it turns out) and address some of the obvious shortcomings of this squad. It's not a matter of whether he's a good boss or not - it's whether it's working at the moment, and whether he can generate that buzz of belief and cohesiveness in the team that you need to go forward as much as a new voice, with fresh ideas, might. And it's far too much of a cop-out to say 'Ah, but who'd be better than him?' - as if anyone can seriously make that sort of a projection! I mean, who really got excited when Little, Pearson and Ranieri turned up at the club? On the other hand we all wet ourselves over Pleat, Levein and Sven. Neither should we be paying too much attention to a press which seems unwilling to ask serious questions of Rodgers. It's painfully obvious that all is not well, and it's a matter of whether things would improve on the pitch if there were a change.

 

I'm not for a second saying that now is a great moment to fire Rodgers, nor that a man of his talent is incapable of turning this around. I just doubt very much that a tenure extended beyond this point is going to be much good for either party. Jock Stein said that if you stay at a club for more than a few years you need to reinvent yourself and the squad. You can't play the same way, use the same ideas, the same systems and ethos. I just wonder whether Rodgers has it within him to change his course - or, rather, want to change his course - and dismantle his preconceptions in that way.

[filbertway]

I'm hoping the club and Rodgers can come to a mutual agreement to call it quits. We don't have to pay him in full and he can say he wanted to leave as he felt he had achieved as much as he can with what is essentially a non league club.

[sacreblueits442]

2 hours ago, Blue-fox said:

Highlighted in bold, that’s what Brendan had instructed. Has done since he’s been here. Made him stay in the middle and not expend energy running wide

....when he plays upfront with Nacho, Vardy is the one going wide and supplying!!!

[Chrysalis]

2 hours ago, trugerkem said:

Think I’ll lump on next premier league manager to lose his job while he is still 7/1 

Done the same, I last placed this bet on Shakespeare and it paid out.

[Blue-fox]

Just now, sacreblueits442 said:

....when he plays upfront with Nacho, Vardy is the one going wide and supplying!!!

That’s in a different formation though my good man. Not as a lone striker 

[splinterdream]

Brendan Rodgers has taught us s valuable lesson.

Clubs like ours does have a glass ceiling and we've reached it, infact over reached it.

Do not try to over reach that glass ceiling by paying large salaries with long contracts to players and managers if you can't afford to pay them off.

I can see what he meant now about us over achieving.

 

How much would it cost us to sack Rodgers again? 

[SixtiesFox]

As fans we're fuming about throwing away two vital points today, particularly in the context of a promised refresh that never happened, speculation that some of our key players may be poached and a difficult set of upcoming fixtures to start the season.. I imagine that most of our players, both those run into the ground on a baking hot day and those frozen out on the bench are equally annoyed that the two points were squandered largely due to Rodgers' baffling coaching decisions. Worse still, this is nothing new, he's got form. I really think that Top must pull the trigger and remove Rodgers as, I fear, the more he delays the worse things are likely to get. 

[Rossiter]

Jock Wallace, Brian Little, Martin O'Neill gave us an identity...Pearson for that matter too. Grit, determination, bottle. Didn't win FA Cup but gave us some great days. Ranieri ...identity too. 

[sacreblueits442]

54 minutes ago, Blue-fox said:

That’s in a different formation though my good man. Not as a lone striker 

....the question was regarding Vardy being able to do the things that he used to, running the channels and closing down defenders!!!

Rodgers has changed his (Vardy's) approach to the game and stopped him from hunting the ball.

  Just saying that he can still do the running, as that was how he and Nacho played when upfront together.

[Deeg67]

How is it that no one has the Honoré de Balzac to immediately turn that "fatigue" quote back on Brendan and ask why he wasted all his subs?  Any reporter worth a bucket of warm piss should have gone there reflexively.

[Lambert09]

I was completely sure he should leave last season, the club obviously disagree and I spent the summer hoping that I was simply wrong but today was just more of the same. No improvement from last season at all.

 

You can’t blame the lack of signings, points were dropped because of poor management. 
 

 

[Deeg67]

The more I think on this, the more likely it seems that Rodgers intentionally bagged his subs in order to make a point.  He's certainly proved himself capable of baffling strategic choices on a weekly basis, but his dominant trait is his obstinance and massive ego.  And that fits with door #2.

 

If that's what happened, just consider what sort of man you have as your manager.  Think about those 2 points in the spring, if we're dangerously close to relegation.  Think about Maddion or Fofana getting seriously injured while fatigued, which is when most injuries happen.  Is that the manager you want making decisions for your most valuable resources?  And then consider if, just if, he somehow believes that using 1 sub on one of the hottest days of the year and that one sub being his best player coming off is the right thing to do, whether that's the manager you want making decisions for you.

[HybridFox]

25 minutes ago, Rossiter said:

Jock Wallace, Brian Little, Martin O'Neill gave us an identity...Pearson for that matter too. Grit, determination, bottle. Didn't win FA Cup but gave us some great days. Ranieri ...identity too. 

I disagree with the notion that Rodgers has never had an identity here. The possession-based attacking football in the first half of 2019-20 felt like a blueprint and was outstanding at times. I'd argue it was probably the best I'd ever seen us play.

 

We've definitely lost that brand of football since then though. That Norwich draw which ended the run of games followed by the Liverpool thrashing on Boxing Day, I feel that changed him and we've never been the same team since. Yes we had a good run the following season too but without the pizzazz and confidence. 

 

Unrecognisable at the moment however sadly

[foxfanazer]

4 minutes ago, Deeg67 said:

The more I think on this, the more likely it seems that Rodgers intentionally bagged his subs in order to make a point.  He's certainly proved himself capable of baffling strategic choices on a weekly basis, but his dominant trait is his obstinance and massive ego.  And that fits with door #2.

 

If that's what happened, just consider what sort of man you have as your manager.  Think about those 2 points in the spring, if we're dangerously close to relegation.  Think about Maddion or Fofana getting seriously injured while fatigued, which is when most injuries happen.  Is that the manager you want making decisions for your most valuable resources?  And then consider if, just if, he somehow believes that using 1 sub on one of the hottest days of the year and that one sub being his best player coming off is the right thing to do, whether that's the manager you want making decisions for you.

I genuinely don't know which scenario I'd find more concerning. He's either incompetent or an untrustworthy bellend

[The_77]

22 minutes ago, Deeg67 said:

How is it that no one has the Honoré de Balzac to immediately turn that "fatigue" quote back on Brendan and ask why he wasted all his subs?  Any reporter worth a bucket of warm piss should have gone there reflexively.

Is the full video available? Absolutely ridiculous if nobody followed up on that answer. 

[Gerard]

6 minutes ago, TK95 said:

I disagree with the notion that Rodgers has never had an identity here. The possession-based attacking football in the first half of 2019-20 felt like a blueprint and was outstanding at times. I'd argue it was probably the best I'd ever seen us play.

 

We've definitely lost that brand of football since then though. That Norwich draw which ended the run of games followed by the Liverpool thrashing on Boxing Day, I feel that changed him and we've never been the same team since. Yes we had a good run the following season too but without the pizzazz and confidence. 

 

Unrecognisable at the moment however sadly

 

We steamrolled a lot of teams that year playing 4-1-4-1 with two quality No 8's who were brilliant together. All that team needed was a RW who was as good as the rest of the starting XI and we would have been flying.

 

Since then he's changed formations and brought in mediocre players, this is not the actions of an elite level manager, the only thing elite about him is his salary. No chance of him being poached or resigning and little chance of us sacking him, feels like we're stuck in limbo until his contract is at a near end.

[foxfanazer]

Brendan's job evaluation with Top

 

Top: Under strengths you've put managing....

 

Brendan: yep

 

Top: that's more like your job though isn't it?

 

Brendan: yep

 

Top: and under weaknesses you've put eczema 

[Dan LCFC]

It won't change. It's the same squad, the same coaching, the same bullshit coming from the head honcho already. Fatigue? 65 minutes into the season. For **** sake. Why does he make it so hard to get behind him?

 

We need a freshen up. Before anyone hits me with fickle, overreaction etc... not at all, I'm consistent and have been for months. It ain't gonna get better. You won't convince me otherwise.

[Jattdogg]

10 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

It won't change. It's the same squad, the same coaching, the same bullshit coming from the head honcho already. Fatigue? 65 minutes into the season. For **** sake. Why does he make it so hard to get behind him?

 

We need a freshen up. Before anyone hits me with fickle, overreaction etc... not at all, I'm consistent and have been for months. It ain't gonna get better. You won't convince me otherwise.

Pegging isnt his thing perhaps

 

 

[Dickov22]

4 hours ago, Blue-fox said:

Highlighted in bold, that’s what Brendan had instructed. Has done since he’s been here. Made him stay in the middle and not expend energy running wide

Totally agree but is that really good enough for a side wanting to finish in the top 8/10? We get away with it even less when we have to play without genuine wide men like we did yesterday. Vardy is so isolated and easy to mark. Such a contrast to how Toney occupied our back 3 cbs. 

[volpeazzurro]

Yesterday's 3 at the back played out exactly as predicted before the game against a poor opposition that really should have been put to the sword. We won't get too many opportunities like that.

 

It was the same old same old from last season and beyond. One difference was that we now had a new Rodgers sacrificial lamb in Armarty.

 

Soyuncu, previously lauded on here as the next best thing who we were worried about going to Liverpool, suddenly, according to many, turned to crap overnight and we quickly wanted rid. The reality was that he was just so unsuited to that extreme left of 3 position and he, over a period of games,  lost confidence as he got more and more frustrated and ultimately made more mistakes. Enter Armarty who, on a good day, makes a very adequate 'cover' centre half on the right when needed. To stick him in an unfamiliar position on the left against a pacy bully of a player in the shape of Mbeumo was crass stupidity by our glorious leader. Not only that, in the second half, Armarty was clearly being targeted and he still didn't do anything about it! I really don't think Evans or Fofana would have done too much better there either. So well done Rodgers, you have another sacrificial lamb in Armarty who you can blame to cover up your tactical inadequacies. 

 

Enough has been said perhaps regarding Rodgers one particularly dumb substitution and lack of any others. Surely no-one can have witnessed the managers performance yesterday and vaguely even consider using the word 'elite' in the same sentence, the man's an utter clown and it's been ongoing for well over a year now!

 

I just hope Top doesn't give Rodgers a bean in the transfer market so he can harm our future even further. Only a complete muppet could fail to get a tune out of the talented players available in our squad. Yes, in the ideal world we could do with certain additions but we've plenty to be going on with.

 

If I was Fofana, Maddison, Barnes or Vardy I'd be wanting out ASAP too so the numpty didn't stagnate my career with his mindless self- ingratiating philosophy, stubborn tactical ineptitude and the persistent silver tongued shite he must dish out every day to the poor sods in training ... and breathe!

 

 

Edited 8 August 2022 by volpeazzurro

[Leicester_Loyal]

9 hours ago, Hales said:

Brendan makes it very hard for people to support him. I don't expect to win every game but he talks rubbish!

The players were fatigued - then you had 4 more changes you can make

"I spoke with Dennis and said how well he is doing " - you leave him on the bench again when Madders and Youri were clearly exhausted!

 

What is he thinking!!!!

Literally is it any wonder these players can’t be arsed to play for him, he talks absolute nonsense, they’ve given up listening to him and rightly so. 

[Dan LCFC]

11 hours ago, String fellow said:

It's a myth, according to Sky. Apparently, 90% of 2-0 leads in the PL end up with a win for the team in the lead at that stage.

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11096/10951284/sky-sports-bust-common-myths-is-2-0-the-worst-lead

That would be about 96% if not for Rodgers.

[Claudio Fannieri]

We played the entire pre season playing a back 4 and whilst I except the injury to Barnes has not helped, there was no reason to throw all the tactically planning out of the window and revert to a 3 when we could have just added Praet and played a diamond or even selected Albrighton and Perez out wide to keep the same shape, surely would be better than playing an already limited Amartey out of position as a left sided defender, as others have said seems to be making a point about the lack of options available in the squad, when in truth this squad is still comfortably capable of challenging for a top 8 finish if used correctly. 
 

The fact he was quoted as saying he would not go to war with the board over lack of transfer activity is interesting as it has been levelled at him in the past, so whilst publicly he will refrain from calling out the board or complaining instead he will make his frustrations clear through his team selections and substitutions (or lack of) throughout the matches. 
 

Yesterday was an opportunity to show the refresh of the culture and reintegration of certain players over the summer had been a success and for us to start the season with a positive result and performance, create some positive momentum and I still a bit of a feel good factor for the season, instead all it has done is continued the hangover from last season, shown very little has changed, left the players frustrated by either being flogged to an inch of fatigue or injury, the ones left on the bench under no illusions as to where they stand in the managers thoughts and us supporters now concerned as to whether any of the frailties from last season have been addressed. 
 

it isn’t the result that concerns me, it’s the nature of it and the messages it’s painting, a squad where at least 30-40% appear not to be trusted or rated by the manager whilst the remainder will continue to be overplayed until they break down. 
 

if you are going to select a bench of 9 players and only use 1 sub why not select some of the talented academy lads instead then, surely Callum Wright has done enough to be included at the expense of one of the many deemed unusable yesterday. I really cannot begin to wonder at the damage yesterday will have caused amongst the morale in the squad and the relationship between Manager and some of his squad. 
 

it is concerning times to say the least. 

[Bptiger]

When ur opposition uses 5 subs on a warm day and 1st game of the season and I make one , u are a fool or u are arrogant, what ever it is RODGERS needs to go NOW