Brendan Rodgers

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, ARTY_FOX said:

Out of pure interest, what would it take for you to think a change is neede

Well it wouldn't be because we lost at Arsenal like we always do. 

 

We do need a few change of faces,  new signings but that's what Rodgers wants too and it's not him saying we can't have them. 

 

There's been a ridiculous agenda against  Rodgers from the start, despite the fact he has probably the best record of any manager bar Ranieri. Most of the criticism against him is deranged fantasy. Ridiculous interpretations of everything he says, imagined bust ups with players, the board, the medical staff. 

 

He's not perfect, no manager is, and if they were they wouldn't be working for us. I've no doubt the moaners will get their way, but its very unlikely it'll improve things and it won't be long before they're calling for the blood of the new bloke. 

[ARTY_FOX]

2 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Well it wouldn't be because we lost at Arsenal like we always do. 

 

We do need a few change of faces,  new signings but that's what Rodgers wants too and it's not him saying we can't have them. 

 

There's been a ridiculous agenda against  Rodgers from the start, despite the fact he has probably the best record of any manager bar Ranieri. Most of the criticism against him is deranged fantasy. Ridiculous interpretations of everything he says, imagined bust ups with players, the board, the medical staff. 

 

He's not perfect, no manager is, and if they were they wouldn't be working for us. I've no doubt the moaners will get their way, but its very unlikely it'll improve things and it won't be long before they're calling for the blood of the new bloke. 

I appreciate you taking the time to write that, but it doesn't really say what it would take for you to think he needs to go. 

 

I don't think there has been an agenda against him from the start. A couple if years ago I think most people would have worshiped the ground he walked on. The league form for a season and a half hasn't been good though. Neither has alot of the football that's come with it. 

[An Sionnach]

4 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Well it wouldn't be because we lost at Arsenal like we always do. 

 

We do need a few change of faces,  new signings but that's what Rodgers wants too and it's not him saying we can't have them. 

 

There's been a ridiculous agenda against  Rodgers from the start, despite the fact he has probably the best record of any manager bar Ranieri. Most of the criticism against him is deranged fantasy. Ridiculous interpretations of everything he says, imagined bust ups with players, the board, the medical staff. 

 

He's not perfect, no manager is, and if they were they wouldn't be working for us. I've no doubt the moaners will get their way, but its very unlikely it'll improve things and it won't be long before they're calling for the blood of the new bloke. 

Once you start having three managers a season you know you are in trouble.  Will ten Hag last , there will be some calling for his head next week if they lose.

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, ARTY_FOX said:

I appreciate you taking the time to write that, but it doesn't really say what it would take for you to think he needs to go. 

 

I don't think there has been an agenda against him from the start. A couple if years ago I think most people would have worshiped the ground he walked on. The league form for a season and a half hasn't been good though. Neither has alot of the football that's come with it. 

If we were looking like being relegated, I'd want him gone. 

 

I think the toxic atmosphere around him makes it very likely he'll have to go within a few months, even if I think it's counterproductive and unfair. 

[Dahnsouff]

People look for an integrity and a plain speaking in Rodgers that is not in his make up, it never has been. He is a corny and sound bite manager in terms of his communication, and this massively alienates some, but the vitriol shown is well over the top and stinks of change for changes sake, or worst case a stubbornness to provide any leeway because a position was originally taken, and cannot be withdrawn. He is not a likeable persona as far as I am concerned, but that is both irrelevant and my problem.

 

If Top says stick, then we all need to say stick with him in my opinion, this isn’t a democracy but a benevolent autocracy.

 

 

[4everfox]

7 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Well it wouldn't be because we lost at Arsenal like we always do. 

 

We do need a few change of faces,  new signings but that's what Rodgers wants too and it's not him saying we can't have them. 

 

There's been a ridiculous agenda against  Rodgers from the start, despite the fact he has probably the best record of any manager bar Ranieri. Most of the criticism against him is deranged fantasy. Ridiculous interpretations of everything he says, imagined bust ups with players, the board, the medical staff. 

 

He's not perfect, no manager is, and if they were they wouldn't be working for us. I've no doubt the moaners will get their way, but its very unlikely it'll improve things and it won't be long before they're calling for the blood of the new bloke. 

Wouldn't want Rodgers anywhere near the decision making regarding recruitment. Allowing him to have a say in that will result in further regression. Considering the sizeable rebuild job we have on our hands next summer, it is imperative that we have a manager in place who has a track record for signing young, high potential talent and will get us playing fast, direct, high press football. Rodgers doesn't seem capable of doing any of that, so he couldn't be a worse fit for what we need currently. 

[ARTY_FOX]

5 minutes ago, Webbo said:

If we were looking like being relegated, I'd want him gone. 

 

I think the toxic atmosphere around him makes it very likely he'll have to go within a few months, even if I think it's counterproductive and unfair. 

Thanks for taking the time to explain it from your perspective. Appreciate it. 

[smudgerfox]

20 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said:

I ain’t blaming Rodgers for everything that has gone wrong at the club in recent years but I have to say he has been the orchestrator of his own downfall. We have all been shouting out for right winger to be signed, people point to the fact the club haven’t backed him on this however it was him and his team that insisted on blowing a significant fee on Perez who was then deployed out of position surely that outlay could have been directed to a player who was a specialist in that role. 
 

The club then signed Under on loan with an option to buy, he looked to have the tools to be successful but it almost felt Rodgers had already decided he wasn’t for him and gave him a few chances and despite showing some potential, he was discarded and seemed to be treated fairly badly and I still believe this had a massive impact on Cags.
 

Last season we signed Lookman on loan and whilst he did ok he didn’t set the place alight and was far from being automatic first choice and I remember Brendan being far from committal on whether we would sign him permanently as he was saying it was about his numbers  and has he delivered enough to warrant a permanent move. 
 

We do need to sign a right winger but I am not convinced Rodgers would utilise them anyway, imagine if he managed Mahrez, he would be taking him off week in week out making the point his work rate and defensive work is not at the standard he expects, it’s the same with Barnes, on many occasions he is pulled and it’s because Brendan wants more defensive option even though Barnes is one of our most effective attacking options. However poorly he is playing he has that knack of producing an assist or goal, his pace is a constant threat and he is such a good outlet. 
 

For me instead of trying to turn Wilf into Busquets leave him to sit in front of the back 4, he can mop up, intercept and snuff out the danger which means the wingers can play with more freedom, Barnes and someone like an Under would really flourish with Vardy and Maddison as the attacking quartet. 
 

Brendan wants to play with wingers but he wants to stifle them with a heavy focus on defensive work, so be careful because we could end up with 2 players like Perez on our wings in years to come if he has his way. 

 

I agree with this. You could also add his very early reaction to Soumare to try and turn him into a box to box player. His stubborn refusal to recognise and integrate the talent of Kelechi - despite a fantastic goal and assist record. And our full backs are selected more for their ability to attack than to defend. While I accept that football is no longer a game where  players have a single position and a single function - the fact is we have a lot of good players who are very good at what they do but don’t get much chance to do idespite his having been here for three seasons I still don’t believe I’ve seen Ayoze Perez play his best position for us once.  

[when_you're_smiling]

43 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

Not competitive enough for me I'm afraid, we were never in and around the top six last season. And the only reason we were demoted to the conference league was because Rodgers is and always will be incompetent in Europe. He has shown he isn't capable of progressing the club to the next level, time to give someone else a chance to do so. 

We were around at the end though which is what counts, as we fully well know after the previous two last days dropped us to fifth.

 

I’d love for someone to come in and take it to the ‘next level’ by which presumably you mean higher than challenging for sixth/seventh, (something that Rodgers has done in the past).

 

Without much money that FFP meant we probably wouldn’t be able to spend anyway it’s difficult to see how it’s possible. And yeah, part of the FFP is down to some shite Rodgers signings last year, but it shows how a club our size has to be virtually perfect to even almost keep up while Man U and Arsenal can have loads of shite seasons and then throw money at it to get back.

 

In short, I’m probably more fecked off with modern football and FFP than Rodgers who has played his part in making us as competitive against the top six as any manager we’ve had in the last few decades (apart from the obvious one season under Ranieri).

[Mickyblueeyes]

17 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Well it wouldn't be because we lost at Arsenal like we always do. 

 

We do need a few change of faces,  new signings but that's what Rodgers wants too and it's not him saying we can't have them. 

 

There's been a ridiculous agenda against  Rodgers from the start, despite the fact he has probably the best record of any manager bar Ranieri. Most of the criticism against him is deranged fantasy. Ridiculous interpretations of everything he says, imagined bust ups with players, the board, the medical staff. 

 

He's not perfect, no manager is, and if they were they wouldn't be working for us. I've no doubt the moaners will get their way, but its very unlikely it'll improve things and it won't be long before they're calling for the blood of the new bloke. 

Deranged Fantasy ?

 

Brah, we haven’t defended a corner with any sort of conviction for 18 months. 
 

We give away leads like we run a soup kitchen. Brentford, Spurs, West Ham etc. we have at least 2 or 3 collapses a year. Bournemouth, Newcastle, Forest and ****ing Randers. 
 

We have signed a bunch of overpaid, overvalued squad fillers who we can’t shift. Vestegaard being the biggest example of dumbass syndrome. 
 

But yeah, it’s all deranged fantasy. 
 

When Rodgers can get us to defend a corner or even better as a super coach, coach some pace or ability to head into Vestegaard, I’ll happily back the messiah. At the moment he is more Judas than Jesus.

[taupe]

Honestly, I think the only way Rodgers goes is if he walks, and I can't see that happening. I get his frustrations about the quality of the squad but I do think he's going to have to accept that, understand the context (the 'why' of it) and do the best he can with what the squad he has. We've got a decent starting 11.

 

Keeping them, and keeping them fit, injury free and motivated becomes important. To do that, I think Rodgers is going to have to start trusting in his squad (and not infer blame post match). It's not going to be easy for him,  I think he sees it as lessening his standards, but I think he needs to start doing it. Maybe start bringing an academy player or 2 through too.

 

It does mean we'll not get the results we'd want (and as fans we'll have to accept that too) but we'll not get relegated, we're in good enough shape to avoid that. I can foresee a lean year and accept that.

 

What I don't want is a manager who begrudges having to work within this situation, who likes to make it known that it's not his 'fault' and refuses to be a part of the team. It's his decision to make - if he really doesn't want to be a part then that's up to him.

[Legend_in_blue]

Two of his comments post match yesterday stood out for me.  We do not have experienced players "at the level" required.  Eh?  What?  The questioning of the desire of the players.  He really didn't like that one either.

 

 

 

 

[chapero82]

27 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Well it wouldn't be because we lost at Arsenal like we always do. 

 

We do need a few change of faces,  new signings but that's what Rodgers wants too and it's not him saying we can't have them. 

 

There's been a ridiculous agenda against  Rodgers from the start, despite the fact he has probably the best record of any manager bar Ranieri. Most of the criticism against him is deranged fantasy. Ridiculous interpretations of everything he says, imagined bust ups with players, the board, the medical staff. 

 

He's not perfect, no manager is, and if they were they wouldn't be working for us. I've no doubt the moaners will get their way, but its very unlikely it'll improve things and it won't be long before they're calling for the blood of the new bloke. 

It’s because of him we can’t though! Signing the deadwood from last year has caused serious issues for this year 

[Dahnsouff]

2 minutes ago, taupe said:

Honestly, I think the only way Rodgers goes is if he walks, and I can't see that happening. I get his frustrations about the quality of the squad but I do think he's going to have to accept that, understand the context (the 'why' of it) and do the best he can with what the squad he has. We've got a decent starting 11.

 

Keeping them, and keeping them fit, injury free and motivated becomes important. To do that, I think Rodgers is going to have to start trusting in his squad (and not infer blame post match). It's not going to be easy for him,  I think he sees it as lessening his standards, but I think he needs to start doing it. Maybe start bringing an academy player or 2 through too.

 

It does mean we'll not get the results we'd want (and as fans we'll have to accept that too) but we'll not get relegated, we're in good enough shape to avoid that. I can foresee a lean year and accept that.

 

What I don't want is a manager who begrudges having to work within this situation, who likes to make it known that it's not his 'fault' and refuses to be a part of the team. It's his decision to make - if he really doesn't want to be a part then that's up to him.

Agree, but I could see him getting the boot, and then only if our form totally bottoms out and we start losing games every week, looking like relegation certs. I do agree that he needs to stop repeating this line and work with he has, I meant all of it.  

[taupe]

24 minutes ago, Webbo said:

I think the toxic atmosphere around him

Genuine question - do you see him as being, at least in part, responsable for some of that toxicity?

 

I ask because it seems to me that he's not overly appreciative of the situation the club is in, is almost begrudgingly working with it and is seeing it as something to start a feud over. In short, not being a team player.

 

 

Edited 14 August 2022 by taupe

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, chapero82 said:

It’s because of him we can’t though! Signing the deadwood from last year has caused serious issues for this year 

Take a look at the first few pages of the Vestagaard thread, nobody was criticising  the signing then. It hasn't worked out, these things happen. 

[Dahnsouff]

4 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Two of his comments post match yesterday stood out for me.  We do not have experienced players "at the level" required.  Eh?  What?  The questioning of the desire of the players.  He really didn't like that one either.

 

See this blows my mind, Brendan is an insincere man, he always has been publicly, why do people keep expecting sincerity: it’s not a job condition, it’s has never been in his make up, yet people are still appalled by it, each and every time.

 

[Hamilton Fox]

21 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

Wouldn't want Rodgers anywhere near the decision making regarding recruitment. Allowing him to have a say in that will result in further regression. Considering the sizeable rebuild job we have on our hands next summer, it is imperative that we have a manager in place who has a track record for signing young, high potential talent and will get us playing fast, direct, high press football. Rodgers doesn't seem capable of doing any of that, so he couldn't be a worse fit for what we need currently. 

Apart from buying the young high potential centre back we’re about to sell for £80m?

[Ric Flair]

7 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Agree, but I could see him getting the boot, and then only if our form totally bottoms out and we start losing games every week, looking like relegation certs. I do agree that he needs to stop repeating this line and work with he has, I meant all of it.  

Fail to beat Southampton which is surely highly unlikely but if not and we lose to Chelsea and Man Utd then 1-2 points from the opening 5 games will see huge pressure mounted on him and add that to the narrative of the window closing with no incomings and I think the end would be near.

 

[Guest StevieLynex]

4 minutes ago, Webbo said:

Take a look at the first few pages of the Vestagaard thread, nobody was criticising  the signing then. It hasn't worked out, these things happen. 

What about his other signings: Bertrand, Perez, Praet, Soumare, Daka, Under?

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Ric Flair said:

Fail to beat Southampton which is surely highly unlikely but if not and we lose to Chelsea and Man Utd then 1-2 points from the opening 5 games will see huge pressure mounted on him and add that to the narrative of the window closing with no incomings and I think the end will be near.

Don’t disagree on the points thing, but not sure what the transfer thing has to do with much, unless you mean he may walk if no transfers appear?

[Webbo]

1 minute ago, taupe said:

Genuine question - do you see as being, at least in part, responsable for some of that toxicity?

 

I ask because it seems to me that he's not overly appreciative of the situation the club is in, is almost begrudgingly working with it and is seeing it as something to start a feud over. In short, not being a team player.

Well, no, because I've never bought into the ridiculous groupthink on here. I know which team I support and I don't expect us to win every week. Disappointment is part of life as a Leicester fan. 

[taupe]

5 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said:

Agree, but I could see him getting the boot, and then only if our form totally bottoms out and we start losing games every week, looking like relegation certs. 

I can see that happening if Rodgers continues to treat this situation as somehow personal, and tries to distance himself from it. It could create (further?) a disharmony in the squad. He really has to, imho, start playing the team game and not his own one.

[winteriscoming]

I want him gone but can see us getting a Dyche or Nuno. When we should be going for Marco Rose or Marcelino. 

[4everfox]

Just now, Hamilton Fox said:

Apart from buying the young high potential centre back we’re about to sell for £80m?

Oh wow! The only good signing he's made since October 2020, nearly two years ago.