Jabfox Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 19 minutes ago, FOXSE said: Man u went 5 and a half years without conceding a home penalty, under ferguson. Is that true? that's mental 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 4 hours ago, StanSP said: Liverpool seem like the new Man Utd in terms of how referees treat them - no penalties against them in the last 46 PL games... You watch, the next game liverpool is winning by 3 or 4 a weak pk will be called against them to make this talking point go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudulike Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 35 minutes ago, FOXSE said: Man u went 5 and a half years without conceding a home penalty, under ferguson. Wasn't that record broken when we got one at Old Trafford as Muzzy rolled it into an open net as Barthez was going through his gamesmanship routine by pretending to be cleaning his boots? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 2 minutes ago, Spudulike said: Wasn't that record broken when we got one at Old Trafford as Muzzy rolled it into an open net as Barthez was going through his gamesmanship routine by pretending to be cleaning his boots? That was then retaken though wasn't it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudulike Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 3 minutes ago, Fox92 said: That was then retaken though wasn't it.. Yep, eventhough the ref had blown for it to be taken. Perfectly legal goal. The inevitable happened as the retake was missed. All decisions at Old Trafford during the Ferguson years had to favour ManU. It was the law. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 5 hours ago, StanSP said: Liverpool seem like the new Man Utd in terms of how referees treat them - no penalties against them in the last 46 PL games... Doesnt surprise me. They are whiny little arseholes who seem affronted by everything, including another team trying to shithouse them but if you are a great team you have to expect teams to try something different to beat you despite how ugly the opposition play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BenTheFox Posted 25 April 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 25 April 2022 Everton are as good of an example as any for signing 'premier league experienced' players being a complete myth. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 1 minute ago, BenTheFox said: Everton are as good of an example as any for signing 'premier league experienced' players being a complete myth. it was all going so well at one point when Gray and Townsend was banging them in, how the mighty have fallen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsr-burnley Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 1 hour ago, Spudulike said: Yep, eventhough the ref had blown for it to be taken. Perfectly legal goal. The inevitable happened as the retake was missed. All decisions at Old Trafford during the Ferguson years had to favour ManU. It was the law. I believe it wasn't a legal goal because the laws say the goalkeeper must be on his line between the posts. If he isn't, even though it's because he is taking the mick and wasting time, then the ref shouldn't signal for a penalty to be taken, and if he does signal, it still shouldn't count. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicesterpool Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 16 hours ago, BenTheFox said: I think if Leeds win one more game then Everton are gone. I can see Burnley picking up a few more wins now. Leeds are their biggest hope. 35 points I think is needed to stay in the premier league this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear Of The Fox Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 2 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said: 35 points I think is needed to stay in the premier league this season. I don't think so. It will be somewhere between 37-39. Most probably 37. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicesterpool Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 (edited) To be honest even though I want Everton down, hope this goes down to the final day. Just so theres intense ending to the season. Interestingly on last day Burnley are at home to Newcastle, while Everton travel to Arsenal. Last time a team went to Arsenal on the last day was Watford... the outcome.. Watford went down. Edited 25 April 2022 by Leicesterpool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear Of The Fox Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 2 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said: To be honest even though I want Everton down, hope this goes down to the final day. Just so theres intense ending to the season. I'm quite sure it'll go down to the final day. If all 3 teams (Burnley, Everton, Leeds) are involved even better. It depends on tonight's game Palace game. A Palace win and I don't think Leeds players will be capable to absorb the pressure even with Ted Lasso as a manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudulike Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 23 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said: I believe it wasn't a legal goal because the laws say the goalkeeper must be on his line between the posts. If he isn't, even though it's because he is taking the mick and wasting time, then the ref shouldn't signal for a penalty to be taken, and if he does signal, it still shouldn't count. He was on the line between the posts. Just standing inside the left hand upright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 15 minutes ago, Leicesterpool said: To be honest even though I want Everton down, hope this goes down to the final day. Just so theres intense ending to the season. Interestingly on last day Burnley are at home to Newcastle, while Everton travel to Arsenal. Last time a team went to Arsenal on the last day was Watford... the outcome.. Watford went down. I mean, that's just a coincidence, but also Arsenal played Brighton at home on the last day last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OntarioFox Posted 25 April 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 25 April 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nalis said: Doesnt surprise me. They are whiny little arseholes who seem affronted by everything, including another team trying to shithouse them but if you are a great team you have to expect teams to try something different to beat you despite how ugly the opposition play. It's just a Merseyside attitude to whine about everything while indulging in underhand tactics, anyway. Always has been, really. Everton and Liverpool are two sides of the same coin - the difference is that one squad is talented while the other is absolutely doggo. Seriously speaking though, there's plenty to unpack about the absolute state of Everton Football Club right now. Might as well just unload all my thoughts here now, because I've been following them with interest this season, since it started to become obvious even before Christmas that something was clearly "off" with them, and at this point I can't even work out if their plight is funny or tragic. It's a bit of both, I guess. They are not a threatening side and play negative football, but yesterday was a bit of a watershed moment for them - a wilful decision not to play football, but to instead spoil for a slim-to-zero chance at a single point. I've seen plenty of the same dark-arts shite the Toffees were rightly lambasted for yesterday from the red side of Stanley Park in recent years - just replace Gordon, Richarlison and Pickford with TAA, Salah and Allison respectively for example and there's been plenty of commentary on here and elsewhere of them taking the everloving piss with some of their "tactical" decisions during play. They've won things though, because they're better at the game than their counterparts and the team as a whole plays with the cohesion and consistency expected. When they do it, for right or wrong, it's looked upon as game management since the team they do it in is usually in the ascendency alongside actually playing the game properly when and where it counts. In Everton's case though, the magnifying glass is very much on them, and on Lampard, because it's the polar opposite of the mentality one expects from a team scrapping for their life. Diving, feigning injury and time-wasting for 90 minutes, to cling to an unlikely draw against local rivals while showing zero intent, after having just dropped into the relegation zone, is pretty pathetic. It was every bit as bad as our capitulation at Forest, but for Everton there was far more riding on it than a bit of hurt pride and progression in a cup. Everyone was watching. Nobody expected the Toffees to win, but nor did most neutrals who haven't been following their absolutely turgid season expect them to roll over in such a pathetic way - against a Liverpool team that barely got into second gear - while spending the full 90 trying to spoil for a point rather than showing even a hint of pride. The Goal Difference argument is the only one worth entertaining, but even then the team could just as easily counter-act that by trying to, y'know, actually score goals against a backline that isn't nearly as watertight as it has been in recent times. It was just a straight acknowledgement that Lampard does not think these players are good enough to even give Liverpool a game, much less beat them. That's an absolutely poisonous mentality to instill in your side when they're staring relegation in the face. I think a lot of us would be absolutely livid if we set up the way they did yesterday against a misfiring and clearly "off-it" Liverpool side that seemed there for the taking with some actual counter-attacking ambition - regardless of where we sat in the table. Even Norwich and Watford would not have stood for it. A more savvy manager than Lampard would have recognised the opportunity far quicker and sought to encourage his players to exploit Liverpool's high line far more regularly than we saw - Doucoure's break being the single real chance I remember in the entire match. This is not a good crop of players, but at the very least balls over the top to their reasonably pacy attacking options could have caused far more problems. It really put our dull performance this weekend into perspective for me - there's a difference between a nonchalant performance without penetration but counter-acted by a decent defensive display (us) and what Everton served up there - the football equivalent of using a bucket to empty the hull of the Titanic. There's no "financial gap" excuse to use either - they're the 14th biggest spenders in the world. They spent half a BILLION pounds from 2015-20, have outspent two of the "big six" and were just £20m behind Liverpool in the same period, yet all they have to show for it is cowering in their own box and more-or-less trying to cheat while their despised city neighbours toy with them like a cat with a mouse. The world is now wise to just how awful they really are, and any patronising talk of them being "too big to fail" is out the window. Compare and contrast Everton's antics to the desire to actually play the game and prove critics wrong from Burnley. Even before Dyche went we had the best comparison - the 3-2 game a perfect example - playing to the whistle to overturn a defecit from two undeserved penalties that Gordon and Richarlison absolutely bought from the ref. Burnley are by all metrics a far less-talented squad, but - as we should all know from seeing our own Great Escape and what then followed - team ethic, square pegs in square holes and a well-drilled plan count for far more when the chips are down than crossing fingers and hoping that overpaid, disinterested individuals bail you out of the shite you've put yourselves in through years of negligence. Yes, the banter side of seeing Everton flushing is fun, because their blank chequebook approach and delusions of grandeur have rankled a lot of us in recent times, but even objectively speaking, they look like a spent force compared to the teams around them. There's absolutely nothing about them to suggest they're capable of getting more from their remaining games than either Leeds or Burnley - two sides that lack in individual talent, but are horrible to play against and more than capable of springing surprises. The only thing the Toffees now have in their favour is that they still have to play us again. Relegation would be an absolute disaster for them - for reasons that have been discussed in this thread many times. But, in the here and now, they are a genuine candidate for the most mis-managed club in the Premier League in years, if ever. To have absolutely nothing to show for half a billion pounds of spending, and be staring down the barrel of a Sunderland or Portsmouth-level collapse after 68 years in the top flight, is almost impressive in its sheer magnitude as a failure. Even if they are lucky enough to manage to control the insane wage structure, shift disinterested deadwood which permeates right to their starting XI, rebuild the entire squad in one summer, somehow pay for the new ground, find a manager with half a brain and bounce back to the Prem at the first time of asking, we'll likely be talking about this for decades to come as a blueprint of what not to do. Get even one of those aspects wrong, and Everton as we know it are finished and would count themselves lucky even to stabilise as a Championship-level also-ran. The next few weeks are potentially worth far more than a place in the Premier League for Everton. Edited 25 April 2022 by OntarioFox got a novel's worth of grammar to edit lads ~ 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrifox Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 3 hours ago, Fox92 said: If they lose tonight then yes. And hopefully they do drop. Really ? Rather than Everton ? Leeds have done their time in the lower reaches , surely time for Everton’s preposterously entitled fan base to get Luton and Blackpool programmed into their sat nav 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raj Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 As much as I loathe Leeds, it would be perfect if Everton get relegated. All the hype around them over the last few years and tgey have done absolutely feck all since Graham Sharp and Andy Gray were banging them in over 20 years ago!!!! They seem to think they are obe of the Big Boys but they are nothing. Be great scenes if they were relegated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zear0 Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 9 minutes ago, surrifox said: Really ? Rather than Everton ? Leeds have done their time in the lower reaches , surely time for Everton’s preposterously entitled fan base to get Luton and Blackpool programmed into their sat nav Tosh. Luton have a chance of being in the Premier League next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fear Of The Fox Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 Leeds can go down next season. The majority of Everton's fans were delighted by yesterday's performance. In a game that one of their midfielders had 2 accurate passes from free kicks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 18 minutes ago, surrifox said: Really ? Rather than Everton ? Leeds have done their time in the lower reaches , surely time for Everton’s preposterously entitled fan base to get Luton and Blackpool programmed into their sat nav Yes, really, awful fanbase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 Leeds to stay over Everton purely because they seem to have semblance of how to run a football club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 (edited) Everton are getting desperate- they’ve officially complained about not getting a pen yesterday ….. did anyone think it was a cast iron pen? I thought he couldn’t wait to go down ……. clearly trying to make sure they get the next one …….. we are pretty good at giving away pens ….. Edited 25 April 2022 by st albans fox 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 Brentford are the ones I wanted to see go down. Too many London clubs and they are very meh. They've comfortably survived though, so fair play to them. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 25 April 2022 Share Posted 25 April 2022 1 minute ago, st albans fox said: Everton are getting desperate- they’ve officially complained about not getting a pen yesterday ….. did anyone think it was a cast iron pen? I thought he couldn’t wait to go down ……. clearly trying to make sure they get the next one …….. we are pretty good at giving away pens ….. It should have been given as a penalty, however, it's not the most obvious penalty I've ever seen. They were more hard done by against Man City. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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