Guest ttfn Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Bert said: I wonder if someone can find the longest run of starts he had under us? There’s never been a doubt about his talent it was being able to do it consistently. By his own admission he could’ve done more here but he also said when he did more he wasn’t getting chances. Too many people on here think he had a massive attitude problem when that’s all just conjecture. I really wanted him to do well here but for some people it just doesn’t work out at certain clubs. I’m pleased for him he’s started the season well and scoring goals. Often felt sorry for him the stick he got from our fans. He’s gonna get booed like mad down here and I can’t actually see a real reason why. He started 11 of the first 14 games he was available for at the start of the 2018/19 season (and had at least half an hour in each of the other 3 games) and got 1 goal and 1 assist in that time. You can make that 15/20 (still with 1g, 1a) if you go back to the end of the 17/18 season (with 4 30 minute+ sub appearances, the one time he didn’t make a 30 minute + sub appearance we got our best result in that period, a 3-1 win over Arsenal and even then he played 18 minutes). He had plenty of chances here, it’s a total myth that he was never given a chance. He will revert to the mean. Edited 13 September 2021 by ttfn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 Have Everton even played anyone remotely difficult yet? There’s no need to get carried away with them, as soon as the going gets tough Gray and Townsend will soon disappear… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 6 minutes ago, ttfn said: Everton won’t finish top 6 either, their start has been ridiculously easy. Southampton, Leeds, Brighton, Burnley is last season’s 15th, 9th, 16th and 17th. 10 points from that lot is pretty much par for the course especially as Southampton have been significantly weakened and Leeds look a shadow of the side they were last season. Let’s not forget they had a similar start last season. Top 4 is a pipe dream this season but we should still be aiming for top 6. Absolutely no excuses for not finishing above Everton. We've got 2 excellent excuses... Perez and Maddison! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 14 minutes ago, Corky said: There is a myth about Burnley being strong defensively, they do leak goals. They're a lot better going forward than they get credit for, but they are far worse defensively than they're made out to be. I think it's just a perception borne out of the image of them as a team that they're really gritty and solid at the back, but they aren't, they're no better at the back than a Newcastle. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 Just now, Babylon said: If he’d scored 3 in 4 he’d have kept playing. But he was invariably shit, so he didn't. You can argue he’s not been given Perez like chances. But he had plenty of opportunities to do something with his career and seemingly by his own admission his attitude wasn’t right. And as I’ve said he also said he changed his attitude and still didn’t get the chances. I’d happily bet anyone that if had been given the starts Perez had for us when underperforming he’d had contributed more goals and assists. He was a very frustrating watch because we all know what he could’ve been capable of when playing and sadly for us more times than not the end product wasn’t there. It’s amazing in football what a fresh start and a fun of games can do for someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tielemans63 Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 16 minutes ago, Corky said: There is a myth about Burnley being strong defensively, they do leak goals. Ben Mee starts every game for them. Enough said. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Shire Fox Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Babylon said: If he’d scored 3 in 4 he’d have kept playing. But he was invariably shit, so he didn't. You can argue he’s not been given Perez like chances. But he had plenty of opportunities to do something with his career and seemingly by his own admission his attitude wasn’t right. Actually hilarious thinking how many chances Ayoze Perez gets here considering how utterly atrocious he is. Even how underwhelming Gray was, in 19/20 he still got more PL goals and assists then Perez could muster with his pathetic 2 goals and 1 assist last season. Edited 13 September 2021 by South Shire Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 8 minutes ago, Bert said: And as I’ve said he also said he changed his attitude and still didn’t get the chances. I’d happily bet anyone that if had been given the starts Perez had for us when underperforming he’d had contributed more goals and assists. He was a very frustrating watch because we all know what he could’ve been capable of when playing and sadly for us more times than not the end product wasn’t there. It’s amazing in football what a fresh start and a fun of games can do for someone. If you’ve been a knobhead numerous times, it’s going to take a lot for any manager to change their mind on you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaijaFox Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 15 minutes ago, Bert said: I wonder if someone can find the longest run of starts he had under us? There’s never been a doubt about his talent it was being able to do it consistently. By his own admission he could’ve done more here but he also said when he did more he wasn’t getting chances. Too many people on here think he had a massive attitude problem when that’s all just conjecture. I really wanted him to do well here but for some people it just doesn’t work out at certain clubs. I’m pleased for him he’s started the season well and scoring goals. Often felt sorry for him the stick he got from our fans. He’s gonna get booed like mad down here and I can’t actually see a real reason why. Why do you think he would get "booed like mad down here"? He didn't leave with any animosity, did he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 4 minutes ago, South Shire Fox said: Actually hilarious thinking how many chances Ayoze Perez gets here considering how utterly atrocious he is. Even how underwhelming Gray was, in 19/20 he still got more PL goals and assists then Perez could muster with his pathetic 2 goals and 1 assist last season. Yeah, it's side splittingly funny 😂... and what's the betting he's back in the side against Brighton? If he and Maddison both start in that game then I give up! I'd prefer Gray over both of those useless waste of spaces!! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 Nice to see him doing well but lets see if he can carry it for more than a few games (like he did at Leverkusen) Also he is peforming well on the left for Everton, nothing to suggest he would be performing like this from the right and he wouldn't be better than Barnes 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Corky Posted 13 September 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 13 September 2021 Perez is still suspended for Sunday so can we please not mention him until he actually plays again? Bashing the manager over something that definitely won't happen is a new level. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox in the North Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 Perez breathes… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NaijaFox Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 It's been a win-win situation for all concerned... Gray wasn't doing well here (for whatever sake) and it was best for all parties to part ways, and now he's doing better elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 14 minutes ago, NaijaFox said: Why do you think he would get "booed like mad down here"? He didn't leave with any animosity, did he? Just wait and see, it’ll happen. Didn’t leave with an animosity but many peoples perception of him and how he underperformed for us will see this happen. Mark My words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 3 minutes ago, Bert said: Just wait and see, it’ll happen. Didn’t leave with an animosity but many peoples perception of him and how he underperformed for us will see this happen. Mark My words. I remember a thread on here just before we were about to play against Chris Wood for the first time since leaving us - “Shall we boo Chris Wood?” Or something along those lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaphamFox Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 7 minutes ago, Bert said: Just wait and see, it’ll happen. Didn’t leave with an animosity but many peoples perception of him and how he underperformed for us will see this happen. Mark My words. And then he’ll score against us and cup his ears. It is written. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HankMarvin Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Sly said: He was awful In Germany as well. it just shows what a change in coach, to someone who instills self belief in a player can do. Gray has openly stated he fell put of love with football with us. He’s look every bit the forward we want Barnes to be so far this season. No pressure on himself with that fee from Bayer either. Fans onside from the start, I thought he would do well. Early days though. Edited 13 September 2021 by HankMarvin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFS Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 All I’m saying is he’s getting triple captained when they play us away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Brizzle Fox Posted 13 September 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 13 September 2021 Well surprise surprise but there seems to be plenty of revisionism on here this evening about Gray. He had plenty of chances here and blew them all and it wasn't just 1 manager who didn't fancy him but 3 or 4, which must tell us something. Maybe something has clicked and he now finds himself in the right place, at the right time with the right manager... Or he'll revert back to type and turn back to shite in a month or two. Who knows. I genuinely hope the former as he always seemed like a decent lad who has obviously got a bit of talent, however if anyone thinks he was ever going to maximise that talent with us then they're kidding themselves. Him moving on will always have been the correct course of action for all parties, however good or bad he turns out for Everton in the longer term. 14 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NasPb Posted 13 September 2021 Share Posted 13 September 2021 39 minutes ago, Brizzle Fox said: Well surprise surprise but there seems to be plenty of revisionism on here this evening about Gray. He had plenty of chances here and blew them all and it wasn't just 1 manager who didn't fancy him but 3 or 4, which must tell us something. Maybe something has clicked and he now finds himself in the right place, at the right time with the right manager... Or he'll revert back to type and turn back to shite in a month or two. Who knows. I genuinely hope the former as he always seemed like a decent lad who has obviously got a bit of talent, however if anyone thinks he was ever going to maximise that talent with us then they're kidding themselves. Him moving on will always have been the correct course of action for all parties, however good or bad he turns out for Everton in the longer term. Exactly this. This isn't a kramaric case. Move on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post lcfc_forever Posted 13 September 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 13 September 2021 So much revisionism about Gray so let's have some facts: 1. He was given lots of opportunities. He did play regular first team football for us under Puel in 2017/2018 (35 appearances, just under half were from the start) and 2018/19 (34 appearances, 23 were from the start). 2. His preferred position was left-wing, where Harvey Barnes came through. Rodgers prioritised him over Gray, and no was arguing that wasn't the right call given Barnes' superb season before his injury 3. Rodgers saw his role as an impact player from the bench and a valuable member of the squad. Gray wanted first team football, and with Barnes playing in his preferred position, wasn't going to get it so Gray decided to leave the club. The talent was there, but the application and resilience wasn't. Sometimes a change of environment can make a big difference and sounds like he has matured, accepting he made mistakes when he was at Leicester. Let's hope Lookman similarly has an excellent impact for us. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 Is it just me that thinks this is a quality tackle? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrefelderFox666 Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 46 minutes ago, StanSP said: Is it just me that thinks this is a quality tackle? Definitely a freekick and a yellow. Does he even get the ball? That replay is pretty awful to judge accurately to be fair. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 22 minutes ago, KrefelderFox666 said: Definitely a freekick and a yellow. Does he even get the ball? That replay is pretty awful to judge accurately to be fair. Definitely gets the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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