KrefelderFox666 Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 10 minutes ago, StanSP said: Definitely gets the ball. I think 20 years ago, no one bats an eyelid. These days you get booked. I think it should be something in between (e.g. just a freekick). Getting the ball and then catching the player should be acceptable, in this instance he does just completely clatter Richarlison though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 1 hour ago, StanSP said: Is it just me that thinks this is a quality tackle? I hate Richarlison as much as the next guy but I'd almost go further and say it's not a million miles away from a red. Vards was sent off against Wolves a couple of years ago for something not wildly dissimilar. Winning the ball is irrelevant if it's deemed reckless and unsafe. Few snippets from the FA Website: Careless is when a player shows a lack of attention or consideration when making a challenge or acts without precaution. No disciplinary sanction is needed Reckless is when a player acts with disregard to the danger to, or consequences for, an opponent and must be cautioned Using excessive force is when a player exceeds the necessary use of force and endangers the safety of an opponent and must be sent off SENDING-OFF OFFENCES serious foul play SERIOUS FOUL PLAY A tackle or challenge that endangers the safety of an opponent or uses excessive force or brutality must be sanctioned as serious foul play. Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play. Really doesn't matter if he wins the ball. You can have a separate debate all day long about whether or not tackling was better for the spectator in days gone by, under different rules. I'm not getting in to that. But purely based on the state of the game in 2021, I'm pretty surprised that's not at absolute minimum a free kick and a strong telling off and honestly any colour of card wouldn't massively surprise me. I'm not advocating FOR a red card, by the way, to iterate I am just saying I don't think it would be hugely inconsistent with modern officiating in the Premier League, whether anyone likes that or not. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 1 hour ago, StanSP said: Is it just me that thinks this is a quality tackle? Ball then man, you love to see it. If Richarlison's leg was planted then though Tarkowski probably gets sent off and everyone chastises him for a reckless tackle. Funny how people base their reactions on outcome rather than action. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guppy Assist Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 2 hours ago, StanSP said: Is it just me that thinks this is a quality tackle? I understand there is a place for a decent tackle in the game but this is a yellow card (at least) all day long. You have to be physical and understand it is a contact sport of course but these ball then man tackles are (and should be) defined as cautions in the latest rules. The best tackler in rest years, Kante, rarely goes to ground and I don't remember him taking ball then man. The issue is this new idea that referees should be allowing the game to flow more. I'm all for that with the niggly fouls but last night I thought Burnley crossed the line and took advantage of the allowances to be overly physical in the tackle. I think some managers, Klopp, do have a point on this one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Phil Bowman Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 1 hour ago, Finnegan said: I hate Richarlison as much as the next guy but I'd almost go further and say it's not a million miles away from a red. Agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ttfn Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 2 hours ago, Finnegan said: I hate Richarlison as much as the next guy but I'd almost go further and say it's not a million miles away from a red. Vards was sent off against Wolves a couple of years ago for something not wildly dissimilar. Winning the ball is irrelevant if it's deemed reckless and unsafe. Few snippets from the FA Website: Really doesn't matter if he wins the ball. You can have a separate debate all day long about whether or not tackling was better for the spectator in days gone by, under different rules. I'm not getting in to that. But purely based on the state of the game in 2021, I'm pretty surprised that's not at absolute minimum a free kick and a strong telling off and honestly any colour of card wouldn't massively surprise me. I'm not advocating FOR a red card, by the way, to iterate I am just saying I don't think it would be hugely inconsistent with modern officiating in the Premier League, whether anyone likes that or not. It’s a worse tackle than the one the Leeds player was sent off for on Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmono84 Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 1 minute ago, ttfn said: It’s a worse tackle than the one the Leeds player was sent off for on Sunday. I’ve seen the tackle but only from one angle and very harsh to get a red for that. Injuries will happen and shouldn’t determine if it’s a red or not. That tackle didn’t look wreckless to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 It's an easy yellow. Borderline red as he was reckless and could be argued with excessive force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaspa Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 (edited) Burnley defenders got previous for pulverising Brazilian legs too. Ben Mee on Wesley a couple of years ago was horrifying, no punishment in that case either ... not sure he's come back to anywhere near the same standard yet Edited 14 September 2021 by Jaspa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllGoneTitsSchlupp Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 be interested to see how this leeds appeal against the ban for their man who did harvey elliott’s ankle. watching the game pawson wasn’t even going to stop it let alone give a card. purely sent off for the outcome, which was grim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AjcW Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 1 minute ago, AllGoneTitsSchlupp said: be interested to see how this leeds appeal against the ban for their man who did harvey elliott’s ankle. watching the game pawson wasn’t even going to stop it let alone give a card. purely sent off for the outcome, which was grim I'd imagine given Harvey Elliott has said 'definitely wasn't even a card' it will be overturned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devonfox1884 Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 5 hours ago, StanSP said: Is it just me that thinks this is a quality tackle? I do like a big challenge like that If it was up to me that’s a foul and no more, gets his foot on the ball but the follow-through is a tad forceful. In the modern day I’m surprised he wasn’t given a yellow though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicesterseddon Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 29 minutes ago, pmcla26 said: Some weird decisions on red cards this season Perez's and Struijk's given and then Tarkowski's (who was the one with the most aggression and dangerous) is nothing. Not sure the letting play flow thing is really helping. For the record I don't think any of them are reds. Generally speaking, I think the idea of letting the game flow a bit more is a good idea (and I think most fans would agree) The issue is that the media narrative on tackling is often set by ex-pros sitting in television studios Because they used to be professionals themselves, and sometimes because they actually know the players involved, they are (perhaps understandably) more inclined to be pro-safety Will be interesting if players from some of the bigger clubs (who are typically over-represented in the sports media) get injured, whether referees come under pressure to be more cautious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsJohnMurphy Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Devonfox1884 said: I do like a big challenge like that If it was up to me that’s a foul and no more, gets his foot on the ball but the follow-through is a tad forceful. In the modern day I’m surprised he wasn’t given a yellow though. Reminds me of Walshie in the play off final on David Hopkin At 1:06:16 Edited 14 September 2021 by MrsJohnMurphy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HybridFox Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 51 minutes ago, MrsJohnMurphy said: Reminds me of Walshie in the play off final on David Hopkin At 1:06:16 Great tackle that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 14 September 2021 Author Share Posted 14 September 2021 Ben Mee did a similar hard tackle when hw was on loan to us against QPR, forget the player's name Taarabt? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 1 hour ago, davieG said: Ben Mee did a similar hard tackle when hw was on loan to us against QPR, forget the player's name Taarabt? Yep, remember that and the cheers it got too. Right in front of us as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 I bet that dirty fecker Steve Walsh dished out some bad tackles. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 14 September 2021 Author Share Posted 14 September 2021 15 minutes ago, The Bear said: I bet that dirty fecker Steve Walsh dished out some bad tackles. Only on Bully, mostly retaliation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 14 September 2021 Author Share Posted 14 September 2021 51 minutes ago, StanSP said: Yep, remember that and the cheers it got too. Right in front of us as well. Found it on my PC Ben Mee tackle for us v QPR 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Bowman Posted 14 September 2021 Share Posted 14 September 2021 57 minutes ago, davieG said: Only on Bully, mostly retaliation And only after great provocation. It took an awful lot to get Walshy to show even the slightest bit of temper. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Super_horns Posted 15 September 2021 Share Posted 15 September 2021 1 hour ago, Fox in the North said: Notice Elliot himself thought the red card was harsh . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post StanSP Posted 15 September 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 15 September 2021 I have no way of proving it but if it was one of Klopp's players that get sent off I feel like the appeal would have been accepted... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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