Criggers Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 44 minutes ago, Robo61 said: How is it worse, the defender is grabbing the shirt of the attacker. Again I thought as fans we want to see goals scored. I see the shirt grabbing as part of the physicality. Shouldn’t happen I know, but like any sport it happens in the heat of the moment. You can compare it to a lot of contact sports. Like grabbing a helmet in American football, or a high/late tackle in rugby. It just happens and it’s kinda natural. In your pursuit to succeed you go to far and commit a foul. But diving is a conscious effort to cheat and deceive. Which I personally think is worse. I want to see goals scored, even more so watching as a neutral, but I also want to see a game that is competed fairly and honestly by both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox1norfolk Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 13 minutes ago, Criggers said: I see the shirt grabbing as part of the physicality. Shouldn’t happen I know, but like any sport it happens in the heat of the moment. You can compare it to a lot of contact sports. Like grabbing a helmet in American football, or a high/late tackle in rugby. It just happens and it’s kinda natural. In your pursuit to succeed you go to far and commit a foul. But diving is a conscious effort to cheat and deceive. Which I personally think is worse. I want to see goals scored, even more so watching as a neutral, but I also want to see a game that is competed fairly and honestly by both sides. 13 minutes ago, Criggers said: I see the shirt grabbing as part of the physicality. Shouldn’t happen I know, but like any sport it happens in the heat of the moment. You can compare it to a lot of contact sports. Like grabbing a helmet in American football, or a high/late tackle in rugby. It just happens and it’s kinda natural. In your pursuit to succeed you go to far and commit a foul. But diving is a conscious effort to cheat and deceive. Which I personally think is worse. I want to see goals scored, even more so watching as a neutral, but I also want to see a game that is competed fairly and honestly by both sides. It is so obvious that as soon as the attacker feels the slightest touch, they will dive, arms raised sometimes screaming too. 1st degree cheating, but with the forensic evidence VAR can now provide there is really no excuse for not giving the cheat a red card. It would stop most of the divers overnight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hankey Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 Grabbing an opponents shirt is an offence and can result in a yellow card or even a sending off. No good trying to say it is acceptable in other sports, it's not in football. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robo61 Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 24 minutes ago, Criggers said: I see the shirt grabbing as part of the physicality. Shouldn’t happen I know, but like any sport it happens in the heat of the moment. You can compare it to a lot of contact sports. Like grabbing a helmet in American football, or a high/late tackle in rugby. It just happens and it’s kinda natural. In your pursuit to succeed you go to far and commit a foul. But diving is a conscious effort to cheat and deceive. Which I personally think is worse. I want to see goals scored, even more so watching as a neutral, but I also want to see a game that is competed fairly and honestly by both sides. Classic case of clutching at straws, how on earth is a shot pull not a conscious effort and why is going down easily not just a natural reaction to a referee's not giving fouls when a player stays on their feet. As I said on my first post I don't approve of either but I know which one is out and out cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hejammy Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 (edited) The diving is a result of the fact that most of the time if you don't go down you'll seldom be awarded a penalty. Players know this so look for the slightest contact and then just go down. It's instilled in them. Refereeing needs to change before players stop diving at the smallest of contacts. Zero tolerance yellow card for any fall that isn't a penalty and that will make players think twice. Even Vardy does it. Edited 1 January 2022 by hejammy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 1 minute ago, hejammy said: The diving is a result of the fact that most of the time if you don't go down you'll seldom be awarded a penalty. Players know this so look for the slightest contact and then just go down. It's instilled in them. Refereeing needs to change before players stop diving at the smallest of contacts. Zero tolerance yellow card for any fall that isn't a penalty and thay will make players think twice. Even Vardy does it. Agree with that it's to easy to win a peno in this day and age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox92 Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 Dennis off at HT, interesting one @Super_horns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Hankey Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 19 minutes ago, David Hankey said: Grabbing an opponents shirt is an offence and can result in a yellow card or even a sending off. No good trying to say it is acceptable in other sports, it's not in football. Yellow card just been given in the Watford game for shirt pulling and rightly so. I rest my case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Quick Brown Fox Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 17 minutes ago, hejammy said: The diving is a result of the fact that most of the time if you don't go down you'll seldom be awarded a penalty. Players know this so look for the slightest contact and then just go down. It's instilled in them. Refereeing needs to change before players stop diving at the smallest of contacts. Zero tolerance yellow card for any fall that isn't a penalty and that will make players think twice. Even Vardy does it. There was an instance a few games back where Barnes was kicked in the box, no foul and the commentary team said "if he had gone down there that's a penalty". What I don't understand is why it's not a penalty, surely a foul is a foul? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFS Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 Anyone watching this Spurs game on USA Today by chance? The co-commentator is a ****ing boomer: Talking about Winks: ”It always amazes me that an England player needs direction when coming onto the pitch. If you’re an England player you should know what to do” ”Spurs have delivered poor quality from crosses. When I was playing you’d just pick an area and hit it” Absolute dinosaur. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest StevieLynex Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 Ranieri's Watford to win 1-0 with a late headed goal from their centre half from a corner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheUltimateWinner Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 Wtf is up with officiating in this country Watford robbed of a clear peno 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomek Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 It’s beyond a joke. We really need to start bringing in officials from abroad. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post CUJimmy Posted 1 January 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 1 January 2022 The penalty incident is certainly dividing opinion! For me two things need to happen: Firstly referees need to be prepared to give a penalty even if the player doesn’t go down. If attackers are confident that they are going to get two bites at the cherry they will be coached to stay on their feet. This does occasionally happen. More controversially maybe the referee needs to be prepared to penalise both players. With todays incident Xhaka did pull Silva’s shirt so in my view it is a penalty. However, Silva exaggerated the contact so could be booked for simulation. The two decisions are not mutually exclusive but it would take a brave ref to do it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFS Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 Another fan medical incident 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingsX Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 13 minutes ago, KFS said: Anyone watching this Spurs game on USA Today by chance? The co-commentator is a ****ing boomer: Talking about Winks: ”It always amazes me that an England player needs direction when coming onto the pitch. If you’re an England player you should know what to do” ”Spurs have delivered poor quality from crosses. When I was playing you’d just pick an area and hit it” Absolute dinosaur. Jonathan Beck and Garry Birtles. The C Team for sure -- we rarely get them. Agree Birtles can be a disaster -- just blurts out his shite opinions and ends up eating his words with every other replay. Strikes me as an older, ex-player studio talker who hasn't adequately kept up with the game -- a type much less tolerated in the states than the UK. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turlo Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 3 minutes ago, TheUltimateWinner said: Wtf is up with officiating in this country Watford robbed of a clear peno only saw it real time but looked like a clear pen as the keeper got nothing on it. Didn't even go to Var Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrispinLA in Texas Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 The Spurs purple strip makes them look like the Jokers running around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 Why was there such a fuss on BT about the Arsenal game? The Odegaard incident- Ederson got enough on the ball to not have it overturned. The Man City penalty- it was soft but there was a shirt pull, it's probably a foul without Silva needing to go down. Gabriel- clear yellow. Only real issues were the lack of yellows for Man City players. It really wasn't a controversial match littered with lots of officiating errors. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 1-0 Spurs 96th minute. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 Jammy ***** 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzie the Fox Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 ffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrispinLA in Texas Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 Conte so lucky, nothing goes against him. Watford so unlucky, should have got penalty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 5 minutes ago, Suzie the Fox said: ffs Spawny horrible twats 🤬🤬🤬!!!!! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KFS Posted 1 January 2022 Share Posted 1 January 2022 7th is a massive achievement this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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