when_you're_smiling Posted 10 February 2022 Share Posted 10 February 2022 14 minutes ago, turtmcfly said: Presumably you think this includes me (since it was my post you replied to). If so...what has his response being hypothetical got to do with the comparison in it being specious? It's possible to make a hypothetical point that is logically sound. Yeah I got the impression from how you responded that you weren’t aware what question was being responded to. Otherwise it’s a more general quote as I’ve seen plenty of others who you doubt have even seen/head the quotes in full. You said his response should have stuck to compare something that happened, but he wasn’t asked about something that happened. People have said one of those harsher punishments that should happen should be his sacking and he argued people have done arguably worse things and not suffered that punishment. I don’t see what’s wrong with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 10 February 2022 Share Posted 10 February 2022 59 minutes ago, bmt said: I completely agree with all of that, and would like to see the same. I just don't get why Antonio bringing up racism is so offensive to some! Who said it was offensive? It's just deflective because he's defending a teammate. And I think such things can be harmful to the fight against racism 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinterdream Posted 10 February 2022 Share Posted 10 February 2022 1 hour ago, Asha said: Zouma won’t be sacked because he’s an asset, and West Ham need him. If it was a fringe player, he surely would be. What if, instead of three of our youth players involved in the scandal in Thailand, it was three first team players? We had an important game against West Ham and Maddison was dropped for breaking lockdown rules, some of our fans wanted him to never wear the shirt again, which I though was ridiculous. That probably cost us 4th place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turtmcfly Posted 10 February 2022 Share Posted 10 February 2022 31 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said: Yeah I got the impression from how you responded that you weren’t aware what question was being responded to. Otherwise it’s a more general quote as I’ve seen plenty of others who you doubt have even seen/head the quotes in full. You said his response should have stuck to compare something that happened, but he wasn’t asked about something that happened. People have said one of those harsher punishments that should happen should be his sacking and he argued people have done arguably worse things and not suffered that punishment. I don’t see what’s wrong with that. I didn't say this at all! For a start both the things he compared (calls for Souma to be sacked and Suarez not being sacked) have happened. The point is the equivalence he tries to draw between the two is fallacious, they are two different things. One is a call to sack, one is actual sacking. If you want to be fair, compare the calls both times, or compare the sacking both times. And then to be fairer still, imagine the Suarez incident happening now and see if the argument still has weight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 10 February 2022 Share Posted 10 February 2022 (edited) Martinelli sent off - 2 yellow cards in 30 seconds Edited 10 February 2022 by moore_94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 10 February 2022 Share Posted 10 February 2022 Just now, moore_94 said: Martinelli sent off - 2 yellow cards in 30 seconds Saw there'd been a red and automatically assumed it was Xhaka 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 10 February 2022 Share Posted 10 February 2022 (edited) . Edited 10 February 2022 by foxfanazer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bear Posted 10 February 2022 Share Posted 10 February 2022 13 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Martinelli sent off - 2 yellow cards in 30 seconds It was two yellows at the same time. Shoved Podence taking the throw in, then sprinted and barged the winger over. Oliver showed him two in one go, then the red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe90lcfc Posted 10 February 2022 Share Posted 10 February 2022 Wolves are so boring such a boring club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 11 February 2022 Share Posted 11 February 2022 Surprised whataboutery isnt a legitimate defence in a court of law given how much it is used in society. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 11 February 2022 Share Posted 11 February 2022 Martin Keown talking about the morals of football when discussing the red card . Football and morals don’t tend to go together very often ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 11 February 2022 Share Posted 11 February 2022 Not buying the fact he doesn't know or wouldn't know. He's been an idiot for shoving Podence which is quite clearly a yellow card. As for Lescott saying that was harsh, that's bollocks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARTY_FOX Posted 11 February 2022 Share Posted 11 February 2022 Just because the advantage has been given shouldnt give players free reign to hack people down whenever they like because they haven't been given that card yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 11 February 2022 Share Posted 11 February 2022 Interesting analysis of where each team controls territory. We're not too dissimilar to Southampton, Palace, Villa and Wolves. We seem to control the territory in the non dangerous area, around the back line. It show we work better attacking on the left than right, which I think people have picked up on this season, but the service to our strikers isn't great. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nalis Posted 11 February 2022 Share Posted 11 February 2022 24 minutes ago, Facecloth said: Interesting analysis of where each team controls territory. We're not too dissimilar to Southampton, Palace, Villa and Wolves. We seem to control the territory in the non dangerous area, around the back line. It show we work better attacking on the left than right, which I think people picked up on this season, but the service to our strikers isn't great. Man City Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Finnegan Posted 11 February 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 11 February 2022 (edited) 10 hours ago, The Bear said: It was two yellows at the same time. Shoved Podence taking the throw in, then sprinted and barged the winger over. Oliver showed him two in one go, then the red. Absolutely world class reffing in action. Take note, Jon cvnt Moss, this is what should have happened to Bergwijn for his dive and shove. https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/60342552 Typical ridiculous pro big six media reaction. Who the fvck cares what Keown thinks? He's a moron when he's NOT talking about Arsenal, let alone when he is. Get rid of him. When Wolves had Jimenez sent off for two yellow cards in quick succession everyone just immediately called him an idiot, it happens to an Arsenal player against unfashionable Wolves and its "bad sportsmanship" - you fvcking WHAT!?!? The media narrative of bias in this country is getting so tiresome. He committed two fouls, he's an idiot, get him off. I don't care if one was in the first minute and one was in the 95th or if both were in the same ten seconds. That's the rules. Edited 11 February 2022 by Finnegan 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrefelderFox666 Posted 11 February 2022 Share Posted 11 February 2022 1 hour ago, Super_horns said: Martin Keown talking about the morals of football when discussing the red card . Football and morals don’t tend to go together very often ! Well done Michael Oliver, correct decision. The pundits were proper annoyed at this but this is needed to cut out blatant cheating. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 11 February 2022 Share Posted 11 February 2022 Utterly astounded that people are saying it wasn't a red card. Oliver has literally played it to the laws of the game. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 11 February 2022 Share Posted 11 February 2022 The simple question ref martinelli is this had he already been on a yellow, would he have received a second yellow for that push or would the ref had ticked him off and told him it was his last chance ? I suspect it would have been 50/50 across refs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkidsFox Posted 11 February 2022 Share Posted 11 February 2022 We should all agree fairly stupid behaviour from Martinelli. Commits a foul, thinks he's got away with it so sprints and commits another. Should have been sent off for stupidity... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxesWalk Posted 11 February 2022 Share Posted 11 February 2022 3 hours ago, Facecloth said: Interesting analysis of where each team controls territory. We're not too dissimilar to Southampton, Palace, Villa and Wolves. We seem to control the territory in the non dangerous area, around the back line. It show we work better attacking on the left than right, which I think people have picked up on this season, but the service to our strikers isn't great. Brighton is mightily impressive given their individual players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 11 February 2022 Share Posted 11 February 2022 8 minutes ago, SkidsFox said: We should all agree fairly stupid behaviour from Martinelli. Commits a foul, thinks he's got away with it so sprints and commits another. Should have been sent off for stupidity... Surely the only question is, were both incidents yellow, and if so, he has to be sent off. This whole, in the same phase stuff should be irrelevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 11 February 2022 Share Posted 11 February 2022 Wooof I thought the second yellow was harsh. Also can the Wolves player who took the throw in be booked for cheating/unsporting behaviour? Going down like he's been clotheslined by the mountain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nnfox Posted 11 February 2022 Share Posted 11 February 2022 It was the right decision to send Martinelli off, but I would say in his defence that if he had been shown a yellow card for the first foul (where advantage was played), he wouldn't have made the second challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super_horns Posted 11 February 2022 Share Posted 11 February 2022 26 minutes ago, nnfox said: It was the right decision to send Martinelli off, but I would say in his defence that if he had been shown a yellow card for the first foul (where advantage was played), he wouldn't have made the second challenge. You’d think not but some footballers are a bit dim.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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