James Tarkowski

[ramadaone]

Not happening

Never was happening 

Never will happen

[st albans fox]

1 minute ago, ramadaone said:

Not happening

Never was happening 

Never will happen

A genuine ITK ..........Samuel Martin take note ...........

[Ric Flair]

31 minutes ago, Merchant_Banker said:

I read that the playoff final to get into the Premier League is football's most valuable game as getting to the Premier League was worth £168 million (?). If getting relegated could cost Burnley that much then it would makes sense for Burnley to not risk that by selling a player who could make a difference, even if it means he leaves for nothing 12 months later.

It wouldn't cost them that much though as that's not factoring in parachute payments. Don't get me wrong I'm sure relegation costs more than £20m but they've got the same problem 12 months down the line of not having Tarkowski and not having any surplus funds to replace him. The fact is they don't really spend and they don't really sell, they just exist and stink of bovril.

[An Sionnach]

2 hours ago, pmcla26 said:

Big statement that, Stones has been exceptional this season. 

He is  plumbers mate is John, if he has a Jagielka, Kompany or Dias alongside him , he is fine but ask him to repair the boiler himself and he is all over the place.

[hackneyfox]

3 hours ago, An Sionnach said:

Given that Burnley is roughly a quarter of Leicester's size and is one of England's poorest towns it is amazing how they sustain a premiership team. Their transfer dealings over the last few years have been very clever. We can't criticize their business sense. As for Tarkowski , he will be in no hurry . It is highly probable that other premiership teams will be interested and they will almost certainly guarantee him a starting position. As I have said before he is most unlikely to come to us if we can't do the same.

They still get huge income from the TV deals, what percentage of their turnover goes on salaries? I'd assume a lot less than ours.

[hackneyfox]

3 hours ago, An Sionnach said:

He would be a fine addition to our squad but at this point in his career ,he would want to play in the greater majority of our games.

We'll be in four competitions and with an ageing Evans. One of Fofana or Soyuncu may well leave next season. He has every chance of getting regular games.

He'll also get the chance of European football which I'm sure he'd jump at. Plus playing for a top six side.

[lcfc_forever]

15 minutes ago, ramadaone said:

Not happening

Never was happening 

Never will happen

If it was never happening, why did we bid for him both in 2019 and 2020?

 

Personally, think he would be an excellent signing as we know we have issues defensively aerially without Evans. 

 

If it's not Tarkowski, hope we bring in a powerful centre-half that is dominant in the air. 

[An Sionnach]

I have to say this has been an excellent and intelligent discussion about this player, I wish it was always the same on here.

[MPH]

Come on then, @Ashley @ramadaone,

 

what HAVE u guys heard with regards to who is incoming?

[dsr-burnley]

29 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

They still get huge income from the TV deals, what percentage of their turnover goes on salaries? I'd assume a lot less than ours.

On the other hand, what percentage of your income goes on owners' interest and loan repayments?  Certainly a lot less than ours.  The new owners are in it for profit, not sentiment.  As was the old owner, though he kept that a bit quiet until he ran off with the £80m cash pot that we had saved by not spending on new players.

[dsr-burnley]

4 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

It's a pretty silly stance to take when faced with a player of value entering their final year of their contract. If teams low ball then you'd be best suited to keep him but if you want more than £15m it's pretty silly. With his wages as well you'd be missing out on potentially £17.5m that baring in mind how you are ran as a club is nonsensical. You get an additional £2m approx for every finishing position in the PL, so unless Tarkowski is going to guarantee you finishing 7 places above where you'd finish without him then it's a bad stance to take, especially as output diminishes from players invariably when they are determined to leave in the final year of their deal.

Cast your mind back a year when the Tarkowski-to-Leicester discussion was on.  Burnley could have sold Tarkowski then.  And we finished 17th - so if selling Tarkowski had cost us even 1 place in the table, it would have cost us a lot more money than it would have brought in.

Edited 4 June 2021 by dsr-burnley

[hackneyfox]

3 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

On the other hand, what percentage of your income goes on owners' interest and loan repayments?  Certainly a lot less than ours.  The new owners are in it for profit, not sentiment.  As was the old owner, though he kept that a bit quiet until he ran off with the £80m cash pot that we had saved by not spending on new players.

Having two owners on the trot who are thieving caants is somewhat unfortunate.

[hackneyfox]

33 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said:

If it was never happening, why did we bid for him both in 2019 and 2020?

 

Do we know for sure that we did?

[lcfc_forever]

46 minutes ago, hackneyfox said:

Do we know for sure that we did?

We definitely bid in 2020 - wasn't just the usual transfer rumour websites but the BBC as well:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54301297

 

And the club were very interested in 2019, proposing 30m but Burnley wanted 40m:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9454322/exclusive-burnley-40m-tarkowski-leicester/

[UHDrive]

So is he being sold to us? Any itk's...

 

I think they'll crap all over Tarkowski if for no other reason than the new owner wouldn't look very good in letting his new adventure be devalued to that of dyches beard trimmer within the first season.

Edited 4 June 2021 by UHDrive
Typo

[hackneyfox]

24 minutes ago, lcfc_forever said:

We definitely bid in 2020 - wasn't just the usual transfer rumour websites but the BBC as well:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54301297

 

And the club were very interested in 2019, proposing 30m but Burnley wanted 40m:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/9454322/exclusive-burnley-40m-tarkowski-leicester/

BBC Sport, how accurate are they?

The Sun? As you say they claim 'we're very interested' no menation of actually making a bid.

Not sure either of those are gospel.

Edited 4 June 2021 by hackneyfox

[Ric Flair]

6 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

Cast your mind back a year when the Tarkowski-to-Leicester discussion was on.  Burnley could have sold Tarkowski then.  And we finished 17th - so if selling Tarkowski had cost us even 1 place in the table, it would have cost us a lot more money than it would have brought in.

But you'll have the same dilemma every season all things being equal. If Tarkowski is the difference between survival or relegation then what happens next summer when he walks away for nothing after he's eased up in the last 6 months as he plans his lucrative move? 

 

You were right not to sell last summer for less than £30m but anything between £15-20m ought to be taken and used wisely this summer in exposed leagues such as France.

 

Your club has to have been planning for his departure?

[Billy Big Balls]

A point that hasn't been brought up yet is that, assuming Ashley and Sam Martin's information is accurate, Leicester MUST have had the consent from Burnley to talk to the player. 

 

Talking to players without consent of the club is tapping up which clubs get fined for. Of course contact is made through agents etc. but for personal terms to be 100% agreed, Burnley have to have given Leicester the green light. 

 

I would assume the clubs have already held preliminary talks over availability and ballpark figures and the figures were close enough that both clubs think a deal can be done so Burnley have allowed us to start making offers to the player. 

 

If the information is accurate, I think this one will happen. 

[majaco]

I would guess Burnley want 15 million.  So because of paying Brentford, he would cost over 20.  I would also guess we wouldn't want to pay that much for a player of his age.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

51 minutes ago, Billy Big Balls said:

A point that hasn't been brought up yet is that, assuming Ashley and Sam Martin's information is accurate, Leicester MUST have had the consent from Burnley to talk to the player. 

 

Talking to players without consent of the club is tapping up which clubs get fined for. Of course contact is made through agents etc. but for personal terms to be 100% agreed, Burnley have to have given Leicester the green light. 

 

I would assume the clubs have already held preliminary talks over availability and ballpark figures and the figures were close enough that both clubs think a deal can be done so Burnley have allowed us to start making offers to the player. 

 

If the information is accurate, I think this one will happen. 

Hardly. It'll be all done through the agent. Most transfer happen like this. We won't have agreed a fee with them.

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, Billy Big Balls said:

A point that hasn't been brought up yet is that, assuming Ashley and Sam Martin's information is accurate, Leicester MUST have had the consent from Burnley to talk to the player. 

 

Talking to players without consent of the club is tapping up which clubs get fined for. Of course contact is made through agents etc. but for personal terms to be 100% agreed, Burnley have to have given Leicester the green light. 

 

I would assume the clubs have already held preliminary talks over availability and ballpark figures and the figures were close enough that both clubs think a deal can be done so Burnley have allowed us to start making offers to the player. 

 

If the information is accurate, I think this one will happen. 

 

26 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said:

Hardly. It'll be all done through the agent. Most transfer happen like this. We won't have agreed a fee with them.

Yes - billy, you’re living in the past ......a long time past ...... agents agree the personal terms with clubs all the time because players may need to move at short notice and clubs accept this saves precious time.  
 

I guarantee that several of our players have loose personal terms agreed with several clubs out there on the off chance that they may move to them. Similarly, we will have the same with our targets. 

[ALC Fox]

9 hours ago, hackneyfox said:

We'll be in four competitions and with an ageing Evans. One of Fofana or Soyuncu may well leave next season. He has every chance of getting regular games.

He'll also get the chance of European football which I'm sure he'd jump at. Plus playing for a top six side.

Precisely. If Tarkowski does come here, he'd be very unlucky not to play a good proportion of our games.

 

Evans, Fofana and Soyuncu have all suffered with injuries this season, and although the schedule won't be as unforgiving next season, we're likely to rotate a fair bit with Europa League football again as we're still going to be playing Thursday-Sunday-Thursday-Sunday for a good period of the season.

 

If he does barely play, it'll be because the other three have been miraculously injury free, 100% match fit, and playing to such a high level that Tarkowski can't get anywhere near the side. If that happens, while not good for him, it'd still be great for us that he would be keeping Evans, Fofana and Soyuncu on their toes and performing out of their skins.

 

Edited 5 June 2021 by ALC Fox

[An Sionnach]

2 minutes ago, ALC Fox said:

Precisely. If Tarkowski does come here, he'd be very unlucky not to play a good proportion of our games.

 

Evans, Fofana and Soyuncu have all suffered with injuries this season, and although the schedule won't be as unforgiving next season, we're likely to rotate a fair bit with Europa League football again as we're still going to be playing Thursday-Sunday-Thursday-Sunday for a good period of the season.

 

If he does barely play, it'll be because the other three have been miraculously injury free, 100% match fit, and playing to such a high level that Tarkowski can't get anywhere near the side. If that happens, while not good for him, it'd still be great for us that he would be keeping Evans, Fofana and Soyuncu on their toes and performing out of their skins.

 

The problem with this is Tarkowski would never accept being fourth choice. Footballers like him have pride and confidence in their abilities. He would certainly rate himself to be at least as good as Fofana and Soyuncu right now. Of course Jonny is better as he is better than most in the premiership. It is a tricky one to keep four quality centre backs happy. Fofana is very young , so he would accept being benched I would have thought but Soyuncu is unlikely to be happy and we certainly don't want to unsettle him. Tarkowski would be an excellent addition and hopefully  Rodgers has a way of persuading him.

[sacreblueits442]

23 hours ago, Fox85 said:

Not a bad shout that really but I dont think benkovic is done just yet. If anyone can get the best out of CB it's the Gravel Throat.

 

Offer Burnley a lower price but include a season or 2 season loan with Benkovic. LCFC to cover 50% wages 

...we need to stop looking at Benkovic as just a commodity, instead of a person who is going through the worst period in his life and career. 

 A very talented player seemingly being passed from pillar to post without, it appears, any real thought going into these secondments. I would very much be looking for some kind of stability in his life, even if it entailed him staying within the first team and not out on the periphery of the U23s. 

  There is obviously an issue which does not only relate to his playing ability, and until that is addressed, the likelihood is we have a player lost to the game and unable to find a way back, because we choose to pass on any issues for someone else to resolve, and that someone, has no reason to invest any time or desire to deal with any baggage he would undoubtedly bring to their club.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

3 minutes ago, An Sionnach said:

The problem with this is Tarkowski would never accept being fourth choice. Footballers like him have pride and confidence in their abilities. He would certainly rate himself to be at least as good as Fofana and Soyuncu right now. Of course Jonny is better as he is better than most in the premiership. It is a tricky one to keep four quality centre backs happy. Fofana is very young , so he would accept being benched I would have thought but Soyuncu is unlikely to be happy and we certainly don't want to unsettle him. Tarkowski would be an excellent addition and hopefully  Rodgers has a way of persuading him.

We played 53 games last year. This was after getting knocked out of the league Cup in the first round and the last 16 of the europa.

 

The club will be aiming to play at least 60 games next year. Even if he plays every other game that's a hell of a lot. Clubs not in Europe struggle to get competition for places because realistically they'll play 40-45 games. 

 

This move would suit him a lot because he's likely to play a lot, he doesn't have to move from the North West where his family are and it'll put him in the shop window for England- not that Southgate picks our players.

 

This signing would be like when we signed Evans when we still had Morgan. Evans won't play every week as his injuries are starting to catch up with him.