Ian Wright abuse today

[turkish14]

3 hours ago, 3stevo said:

Similar to a few on here who have said they don’t care about what was said to Keane! It’s fine not to like the bloke, I mean who does? But not condemning “Irish C*** on a post where you are standing up for what Ian Wright was subjected to is slightly concerning. 

Yes I agree….

 

Though in many ways I also think this isn’t about solely BLM… it’s about attitudes & behaviour in general. 
 

Edited 8 August 2021 by turkish14

[Raj]

1 minute ago, MarshallForEngland said:

Please select particular claims and refute them. I am open to all alternative views and do not have the certainty that some here appear to have. Please tell me exactly where I have gone wrong.

No I'm not going to refute jack sh1t.

Your just bumbling along using words you probably dont even know what they mean.

I'm simply bored and fed up of trying to explain things to people who will still look at other scenarios  to justify their actions.

Do what you want.

 

[sdb]

Please let this be an opportunity to get these clowns a million miles away from our club once and for all

[harpendenfox]

11 minutes ago, Mee-9 said:

I can’t fathom why you would do something like that if i’m honest. Regardless of who the people were who did that, that behaviour is archaic, embarrassing, disgusting, uneducated and shows us how scummy some people can be. To direct racial hate towards anyone, let alone one of the greatest pundits in the country is disgraceful.

 

I’d love to say I was shocked by the behaviour of some fans yesterday however I wasn’t. There were some people off their nut, one bloke walked up the stairs to us, sat in the middle of the stairs and had thrown up all over himself, slurring his words stinking of booze. I went to the loo at half time, two lads went into a cubicle after me, obviously to sniff something. They must have been about 17. Walking up Wembley Way was great, but some bloke calling an old Man City fan a bald c*** whilst kids were walking all around. For no reason at all.  Seems some of our fans just use the game as secondary. 

 

We know the vast majority of us are fantastic, passionate and love the club, throughout the whole pandemic the one thing that’s united us is the football club. Watching the games every few days, chatting with all of you on here has been a constant that for many people in dark times has given them hope and companionship. We are a great group of fans, however there are a small number of fools that exist amongst the wide banner of ‘Leicester City fans.’ (Take the bloke wanting a selfie with Maddison yesterday, why would you bother doing that?) 
 

I hope they do identify these people who abused Ian Wright and Roy Keane, and they don’t just face bans in stadiums. We’ve seen it before how racial hatred on twitter directed towards the England lads resulted in people being sacked from work. It’s a sad comment on what was a brilliant day, however I just hope the club help and i’m sure they will to ensure justice occurs. 
 

 

 

Spot on. Well written

[Phil Bowman]

36 minutes ago, Raj said:

For any knuckle heads who do boo the knee for our games, please just look around the stands when your booing and look at the reactions of us non white folk when we hear the boos.

 

I fear they might not care about your reaction. Or, even worse, it might delight them.

 

Of course I’m not asking you to speak for all ‘non white folk,’ but what, if anything do you reckon us white folk who are angered, saddened and upset by the booing could best do to help, or at least show support?

[NasPb]

No room for this at all. It's am absolute embarrassment for the club and the majority of fans. Anyone trying to excuse this as okay or distract from the topic to talk about unrelated things is part of tje problem. 

 

Taking a knee against racism is being boo'd so I'm not surprised this has happened. Anyone who thinks it's okay is foolish. And anyone who's making up crazy conspiracy theories to hide their racism is even worse. 

 

 

We're leicester. One of the most diverse areas in all of Britain, with players from every corner of the globe and of various ethnic backgrounds. This shouldn't represent us. I'm embarrassed and i haven't even done anything. 

 

Solidarity with Ian. 

Edited 8 August 2021 by NasPb

[Fightforever]

6 hours ago, The_77 said:

This is the biggest bunch of crap I’ve ever read. Wtf is “cultural Marxism” or “race communism”? What are you talking about? You have no idea  

Not that I support what he is saying but since you asked.

Some dejected french intellectuals in the 60s basically saw that the soviet union and the socialist states were failing and essentially came to the conclusion that the reason why communism failed was because the capitalists indoctrinated people into a capitalist way of thinking. Stuff like the nuclear family, gender roles and the scientific method were seen as oppressive structures that stopped the success of communism. Theres a conspiracy amongst the right wing today that the left are trying to normallise cultural marxism through a culture war. Eventually introducing communism.

Edited 8 August 2021 by Fightforever

[KFS]

Just now, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

This again... 

how many times mate? It’s killing me…

 

If people are making a stand on something at least have the facts right.

 

Just as some further context in a meeting with one of my black American employees this week we were speaking about this very topic. She has links to the U.K. and was confused about why people would boo the knee. When I told her about the ‘Marxism’ part she burst out laughing and said ‘they know it’s literally because in my area I’ve not seen a police officer in the years ive lived here?’
 

What do these morons think the ask is here? A world without police? That’s why they’re booing the knee?

 

Do me a favour.

[GingerrrFox]

21 minutes ago, MarshallForEngland said:

 

"Racism isn’t a “political” issue, it’s an issue of whether you are a decent human being"

 

Perhaps those who are booing can't or choose not to split that hair. In any case, none of us should presume to have the moral authority to decide who is a "decent human being" and who isn't. You appear to see yourself as a good guy representing the side of good guys, and those who don't agree with you as the bad guys. It means that any new information has to be squashed and squeezed into your existing idea about the nature of the discussion, rather than your current view of the situation adapting to incorporate new information.

 

"The level of pigmentation in someone’s skin doesn’t impact on who they are as a person. "

 

Exactly! And thankfully society has reached a general consensus about this already. Racism is universally condemned, and the MLK doctrine of content-of-character over colour-of-skin is accepted as the only fair and reasonable way to operate. So that should tell you something  - either all of those booing taking the knee have wholesale rejected this consensus and believe that pigmentation of someone's skin IS important, or there's some other reason why they are booing the taking of the knee. The existence of people saying racist things, or indeed people who can definitely be described as racists, does not disprove the claim that society has reached a general consensus on this topic. If you try that logic with anything else, it sounds ridiculous: there is no queue etiquette in Great Britain because people often cut in front of me at the bus stop; this country is systemically tolerant of theft because I know lots of people whose houses have been burgled; we are a nation of discourteous drivers because I always see people getting cut up on the roads. This is not a reasonable way to think.

 

"No one is asking people to take the knee, why does a football fan care if our players choose to take the knee? The players are of strong enough character to understand that it’s not a “submissive” act. It’s an act of empowerment. We all stand together irrespective of skin colour and we all kneel together irrespective of skin colour. It’s really not a hard concept to understand. "

 

I don't believe people disagree with you because they find the concept "hard to understand". People have a lot of emotional investment in their football teams; if they care about them scoring or playing well etc, they care about them getting on their knees. I don't doubt that there are actually plenty of players who don't want to take the knee but are terrified of being called racist and goodness knows what else.

 

I’m sorry but any credibility you may have had in your attempt to excuse Neanderthals booing an anti-racism gesture was lost when you came out with:

 

“People have a lot of emotional investment in their football teams; if they care about them scoring or playing well etc, they care about them getting on their knees.” 

 

Genuinely just read that back and have a word with yourself. People have a lot of emotional investment in their football team so they care about them getting on their knees? You genuinely think that is a valid argument as to why people have the right to boo an anti racism gesture? 
 

You are quite clearly entrenched in your beliefs, you make sweeping statements such as:

 

“none of us should presume to have the moral authority to decide who is a "decent human being" and who isn't. You appear to see yourself as a good guy representing the side of good guys, and those who don't agree with you as the bad guys.”

 

I don’t claim to be a good guy vs bad guys but I’ll tell you what makes someone a decent person, not booing an anti-racism gesture that the manager of the England football team/the manager of our football club/the players of our football club have all come out and said has no political connotations. These people still booing don’t want to hear that though do they? They need to have the veiled excuse of there being “political issues” to try and hide the fact that they hold racist views or beliefs. 
 

Thankfully, judging by the comments on this thread, people that hold your view point are vastly in the minority. 

Edited 8 August 2021 by GingerrrFox

[NasPb]

4 minutes ago, Fightforever said:

Not that I support what he is saying but since you asked.

Some dejected french intelectuals in the 60s basically saw that the soviet union and the socialist states were failing and essentially came to the conclusion that the reason why communism failed was because the capitalists indoctrinated people into a capitalist way of thinking. Stuff like the nuclear family, gender roles and the scientific method were seen as oppressive structures that stopped the success of communism. Theres a conspiracy amongst the right wing today that the left are trying to normallise cultural marxism through culture. Eventually introducing communism.

Cultural Marxism is a anti Semitic conspiracy theory. Some people go so far to hide their racism it's funny. 

[stourbridgefox]

19 minutes ago, Raj said:

Need to contact our club too, let them deal with the relevant authorities.

I've sent this to my mate who works at the club too.

Thanks - my wife Jacqui contacted the club as soon as we got home.

[Raj]

1 minute ago, Phil Bowman said:

I fear they might not care about your reaction. Or, even worse, it might delight them.

 

Of course I’m not asking you to speak for all ‘non white folk,’ but what, if anything do you reckon us white folk who are angered, saddened and upset by the booing could best do to help, or at least show support?

Its ALL about equality.

I went yesterday with 5 white lads who are salt of the earth.

We have banter and have a laugh.

All we can do is educate the next generation as I think it's too late on this generation.

If people BOO the taking the knee, then YOU lot clap LOUDER.

The day there is equality, the day these so called superficial tokenistic actions can end.

Be the majority, not the minority!!!

How do you think, not only us non white folk in the crowd feel, what about our black players hearing Boos when THEY are taking the knee???

Just think and put your minds in that situation...think about that....

 

[Fightforever]

1 minute ago, NasPb said:

Cultural Marxism is a anti Semitic conspiracy theory. Some people go so far to hide their racism it's funny. 

The idea that footballers on 40k+ a week would be advocating for a communist take over always makes me laugh.

[fleckneymike]

48 minutes ago, MarshallForEngland said:

Please entertain the idea that in the minds of those you disagree with, this is not the unresolvable paradox you claim it is. There are two reasons why it might appear to you to be a contradiction:

 

1. The people booing taking the knee are both racist against and supportive of non-white players simultaneously

2. You have wrongly assumed at least one of those to be true when it fact it's not

 

I believe that the second option is much more likely. The people you dismiss as illiterate and incapable of critical thought are, generally speaking, not the foaming-at-the-mouth racists you believe they are. They either don't like politics in football regardless of the message, or they disagree that such a gesture is necessary given the general societal consensus we have reached regarding racism, or they disagree with the submissive nature of taking the knee, or they believe this is the thin end of an ideological wedge and they do not want to see taking over football, or one or more of a hundred other possible reasons.

 

The fact that they haven't read Das Kapital is absolutely irrelevant. One of the biggest problems with this ideology and those related to it (I'm talking about the current Social Justice / CRT movements) is that it uses complex language and a veneer of academic credibility to dress up belief as knowledge, so when somebody disagrees with a proponent of the ideology, they can be dismissed as ignorant and ill-educated. This is especially effective against people who haven't been to university or who are not well-versed in the jargon of the ideology they wish to reject. The arrogant dismissal of anybody who disagrees with the orthodoxy as ignorant, knuckle-dragging, thuggish, illiterate barbarians is unfortunately quite common on this forum.

 

 

Should I boo the union flag or the cross of Saint George because some fat right groups have appropriated them? 

 

How many times do the FA and players have to explain it has nothing to do with BLM before we consider that perhaps people are booing the knee because they  are a teeny bit racist? 

[KFS]

Just now, Fightforever said:

The idea that footballers on 40k+ a week would be advocating for a communist take over always makes me laugh.

Baffling beyond belief isn’t it.

 

So now we’ve established it’s not the Marxism they’re so annoyed at and it’s just undercover racism; when do the boos stop then?

 

I’ve honestly never liked the idea of our owners parading the king of Thailand’s picture around in our lap of honour but out of respect I’ve never starting booing them. I don’t like it but I’m not resorting to making a noise to try and get across my point.

[midland_red]

6 hours ago, flanimal said:

I don't know what to think, that's why I try and listen to both sides.

That's good - that you look at both sides I mean.

Do you do that with rats and rat poison too?

[fleckneymike]

Just now, midland_red said:

That's good - that you look at both sides I mean.

Do you do that with rats and rat poison too?

I often find it difficult when there is a group who are against racism and then there is a group who are opposite that to know who to listen to. 

[Phil Bowman]

4 minutes ago, Raj said:

All we can do is educate the next generation as I think it's too late on this generation

Probably.

But we can at least try to get back to it being unacceptable to be blatantly and openly racist. Yes there will always be racists, but maybe we don’t have to have a society where they feel empowered to express their racism.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

12 minutes ago, KFS said:

how many times mate? It’s killing me…

 

If people are making a stand on something at least have the facts right.

 

Just as some further context in a meeting with one of my black American employees this week we were speaking about this very topic. She has links to the U.K. and was confused about why people would boo the knee. When I told her about the ‘Marxism’ part she burst out laughing and said ‘they know it’s literally because in my area I’ve not seen a police officer in the years ive lived here?’
 

What do these morons think the ask is here? A world without police? That’s why they’re booing the knee?

 

Do me a favour

 

Edited 8 August 2021 by Cadno'r Cymoedd

[reynard]

Surprised? Sadly not.

Disgusted? yes.

 

I'm afraid there is only one way to really drive this out of the game and that is from within. By that I mean all the many decent minded fans basically letting these morons know they won't put up with this kind of stuff any longer.

This, of corse, takes a great deal of courage, but if the number is small then it can be done. Most people have cameras on their phones. You don't need to confront them directly but film them mouthing their vile abuse. Hate crimes can be prosecuted. Send the footage to the club or the police or both.

Racism is, I'm afraid, deeply embedded in our society and until we as a society tackle the root causes of it it ill not go away.

[Itsthejoeker]

6 hours ago, flanimal said:

I don't know what to think, that's why I try and listen to both sides.

If you’re listening to both sides how have you not figured out that the knee is nothing to do with Marxism, communism, or the BLM organisation but is actually just about the simple concept of black lives mattering just as much as everyone else’s lives?

[KFS]

Just now, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

Do me a favour and put me on mute or done something. You're spouting bollocks. 

Please explain. That’s the only way around this clearly…

[MGLCFC]

8 minutes ago, Raj said:

Its ALL about equality.

I went yesterday with 5 white lads who are salt of the earth.

We have banter and have a laugh.

All we can do is educate the next generation as I think it's too late on this generation.

If people BOO the taking the knee, then YOU lot clap LOUDER.

The day there is equality, the day these so called superficial tokenistic actions can end.

Be the majority, not the minority!!!

How do you think, not only us non white folk in the crowd feel, what about our black players hearing Boos when THEY are taking the knee???

Just think and put your minds in that situation...think about that....

 

Yes you'll find it hard to educate, the uneducated.

My worry is that they pass on their views and influence their children and so the cycle starts again.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

1 minute ago, KFS said:

Please explain. That’s the only way around this clearly…

Sorry, I misunderstood your post. My apologies. I have deleted. 

Edited 8 August 2021 by Cadno'r Cymoedd

[KFS]

Just now, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

Sorry, I misunderstood your post. My apologies. 

No worries mate ahah