Ian Wright abuse today

[peterborofox]

6 hours ago, teblin said:

I said on the way in and out of the game. Love going to watch my club. But the behaviour and attitude of some of the people that go is is disgraceful and definitely something I haven’t missed. It puts me off taking my children sometimes.

 

I just don’t understand, I never will I guess. What is wrong with people!

 

Agree with this. I do most aways a season, but last two or three years I've noticed more and more complete twats going to the game. 

 

Being on the tube away from the stadium was no fun, moronic chanting and banging tube windows and roof. 

 

This is why alcohol will never and should never be allowed in view of the pitch. Will just be chucked about. Minority of our fans this is tho, but a fair few out yesterday

[RonnieTodger]

Ugh ****ing hell. I had no idea about this until now. Just makes me sad and angry.

 

I cringed at the booing of the knee too. The irony is that the taking of the knee they hate so much, would stop a lot quicker if they stopped ****ing booing it. 

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

14 minutes ago, LCFCbwoi said:

Please read back tomorrow what you’ve put in this thread btw. You may think you sound smart, but you just sound like a pillock. You talk about moral superiority quite a lot in your arguments so maybe you need a strong look at yourself.

This. 

[KFS]

13 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

I don't approve of the booing at all, it's petty. But people do have a right to question the intentions of the BLM movement and make their own decisions based on their political beliefs. That's why some players refuse to do it. Having said that, it doesn't give people the right to boo a harmless act that raises awareness for an issue that has plagued the world for too long, whether they approve of it or not. If someone disapproves of BLM, then that is their decision, but they shouldn't be told that it's a racist decision when it probably isn't. 

Yeah people can disagree with what they like, look at our fan base obsession with not liking Harry Kane. Sometimes something irks folks and they don’t support a cause, person, movement or whatever. The arguments against BLM that have stemmed from this are just petty and inaccurate and seem to be going to great lengths to make up an excuse for the booing. 
 

If someone comes up with a legitimate reason other than “tHeYrE SoCiAlIsTs” then fair enough. 
 

I’m not defending them, more calling out that people are doing a lot to disapprove of the group versus channeling energy into the core issue that racism still exists and has to stop.

[RumbleFox]

1 minute ago, MarshallForEngland said:

No not at all, I appreciate the question. I don't believe it's as big as it the protests, gestures, and media coverage portray it to be. I think the United Kingdom is truly one of the most tolerant places on earth and to be a racist person is to be a social pariah. 

I think you’re right about the UK being a very good place to live in general compared to some parts of the world. But that doesn’t mean we don’t have issues here? It isn’t a race to the bottom. The problem I have with your viewpoint is that as a white man it seems easy for me to say “racism isn’t an issue” when it doesn’t really affect me? It’s like me lecturing a woman about how the patriarchy “isn’t really that bad sweetheart”, it just comes across as churlish at the very very best and at worst sexist/racist/etc.

 

If the worst thing I have to deal with is someone calling me a racist or ignorant or a knuckle dragged then I really am a very privileged person. And I say that again, I know and understand I am privileged in many ways. In some ways I am not, I am working class and have never had anything “given to me” but these things are not to be matched against each other, if someone else argue I am privileged because I am white they are right. It doesn’t dilute or ignore the fact I may have other areas where I’m relatively not privileged. I’ve never once had to worry about being verbally or physically abused because of my skin colour so I wouldn’t ever dream of not listening to people of colour when they tell me their experiences. I don’t agree with media witch-hunts and social media mobs and I am a huge believer in free speech but I strongly strongly disagree with pretty much everything you have said. If someone pulls me up on something of course there is a part of me that bristles or gets defensive or wants to use the redundant “not all men” argument but the greater part of me wants to listen and learn and, if needed, change. Anyhoo sorry I’m rambling. I’m glad we live in a society where people with very different viewpoints such as you and me can debate openly. Like I said, I think what you’re saying is wrong but I’m glad you can say it. As long as you understand it’s ok for people to argue back. 

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Did anyone else other than stourbridgefox notice the lads abusing Wright? Is there any way of the police finding out who theses lads are? Read that some think theses lads were Londoners due to their accents, also were they wearing Leicester City shirts?

[Boethius]

2 minutes ago, MarshallForEngland said:

No not at all, I appreciate the question. I don't believe it's as big as it the protests, gestures, and media coverage portray it to be. I think the United Kingdom is truly one of the most tolerant places on earth and to be a racist person is to be a social pariah. 

This is a welcome paragraph of common sense in a thread of hollow, virtue-signalling gambits. Of course racism is 'an' issue, but the time and coverage the topic is afforded by the media far outweighs that of other, equally important, issues. Even in the realm of equality, racism is seen by many as more offensive than homophobia or sexism, whilst ageism is almost accepted. Surely, Leicester is one of the most tolerant cities in one of the most tolerant countries in the world? Yes, it can be argued that one racist incident is one too many but, again, why is racism placed on a higher plain than any other form of abuse? Race is one facet of many that make up a human being. If we keep dividing people into groups and sub-groups, when we drill down far enough we find that we are all in a minority of one. We are all individuals. Our modern media are obsessed with external identifiers, whilst rarely considering diversity of thought. My opinion, is that BLM and taking the knee, is creating rather than closing division. Having spent many years campaigning for equality, true equality, this is why I will continue to boo players taking the knee. I fully appreciate that some will disagree with my thoughts, and I respect all views. If only all could do the same.

[Phil Bowman]

40 minutes ago, MarshallForEngland said:

Many people, me included, believe that it is racist to constantly focus on skin colour and that the end goal is for race to be a non-defining characteristic like any other aspect of someone's physical appearance.

So you’re saying that taking the knee to protest against racism experienced by people of colour is actually a racist act.

[Machinesoul1]

There’s probably been enough said in this thread already but the arrogance of those fans booing the knee is incredible. Black people have had their protests policed by white people since the Civil Rights movement in America in the 1960’s.Telling them what is acceptable and what isn't in their eyes.Maybe actually it’s none of our business and for once we should just listen and support them. As a middle aged white man who has been taking his mixed race teenage  son to City games for 13 years. I feel thoroughly ashamed of those booing and it pisses both of us off. I looked around at the diversity of our support at Wembley yesterday and felt proud. The idiots booing the knee and abusing those for their ethnicity bring shame to this amazing club. 

 

[fleckneymike]

1 minute ago, Boethius said:

This is a welcome paragraph of common sense in a thread of hollow, virtue-signalling gambits. Of course racism is 'an' issue, but the time and coverage the topic is afforded by the media far outweighs that of other, equally important, issues. Even in the realm of equality, racism is seen by many as more offensive than homophobia or sexism, whilst ageism is almost accepted. Surely, Leicester is one of the most tolerant cities in one of the most tolerant countries in the world? Yes, it can be argued that one racist incident is one too many but, again, why is racism placed on a higher plain than any other form of abuse? Race is one facet of many that make up a human being. If we keep dividing people into groups and sub-groups, when we drill down far enough we find that we are all in a minority of one. We are all individuals. Our modern media are obsessed with external identifiers, whilst rarely considering diversity of thought. My opinion, is that BLM and taking the knee, is creating rather than closing division. Having spent many years campaigning for equality, true equality, this is why I will continue to boo players taking the knee. I fully appreciate that some will disagree with my thoughts, and I respect all views. If only all could do the same.

This is perhaps the most I’ll thought out argument to date. You’re booing taking the knee because you think there isn’t enough racism to justify taking a knee. 

[RumbleFox]

1 minute ago, Boethius said:

This is a welcome paragraph of common sense in a thread of hollow, virtue-signalling gambits. Of course racism is 'an' issue, but the time and coverage the topic is afforded by the media far outweighs that of other, equally important, issues. Even in the realm of equality, racism is seen by many as more offensive than homophobia or sexism, whilst ageism is almost accepted. Surely, Leicester is one of the most tolerant cities in one of the most tolerant countries in the world? Yes, it can be argued that one racist incident is one too many but, again, why is racism placed on a higher plain than any other form of abuse? Race is one facet of many that make up a human being. If we keep dividing people into groups and sub-groups, when we drill down far enough we find that we are all in a minority of one. We are all individuals. Our modern media are obsessed with external identifiers, whilst rarely considering diversity of thought. My opinion, is that BLM and taking the knee, is creating rather than closing division. Having spent many years campaigning for equality, true equality, this is why I will continue to boo players taking the knee. I fully appreciate that some will disagree with my thoughts, and I respect all views. If only all could do the same.

What form did your campaigning take? And what is your definition of “true equality”. Sorry I’m genuinely interested. X 

[HighPeakFox]

4 minutes ago, Boethius said:

This is a welcome paragraph of common sense in a thread of hollow, virtue-signalling gambits.

 

I respect all views. If only all could do the same.

I spot a slight contradiction.

[4everfox]

3 minutes ago, KFS said:

Yeah people can disagree with what they like, look at our fan base obsession with not liking Harry Kane. Sometimes something irks folks and they don’t support a cause, person, movement or whatever. The arguments against BLM that have stemmed from this are just petty and inaccurate and seem to be going to great lengths to make up an excuse for the booing. 
 

If someone comes up with a legitimate reason other than “tHeYrE SoCiAlIsTs” then fair enough. 
 

I’m not defending them, more calling out that people are doing a lot to disapprove of the group versus channeling energy into the core issue that racism still exists and has to stop.

I won't pretend that I know a great deal about the BLM movement, because I don't, but disapproving of BLM because they're "socialists" is a perfectly acceptable reason for not supporting the movement. There's nothing even remotely racist about that, some people just don't like socialism, and that is okay.

[STUHILL]

2 minutes ago, Boethius said:

I will continue to boo players taking the knee

Stand in front of the players and boo them to their face. Boo Ian Wright in his face when he says why he supports kneeling against racism. 

 

You are purposely muddying the waters by saying "What about Ageism? Sexism? Homophobia?" This is about racism. It is placed on a higher plain in Football because it is by far the most prevalent "ism" in Football.

 

We are not dividing people into groups. We are highlighting that mass cases of racism are happening every single day. I think this makes people feel uncomfortable and they would much prefer that racism wasn't talked about and cases like yesterday and what happened at the Euros, wasn't mentioned in the media. This is exactly what used to happen and it is why a lot of the older generation are so very against highlighting it now. 

 

Ignorance is bliss, just doesn't cut it anymore. 

 

 

 

[foxinyourbox]

22 minutes ago, CrispinLA in Texas said:

Did anyone else other than stourbridgefox notice the lads abusing Wright? Is there any way of the police finding out who theses lads are? Read that some think theses lads were Londoners due to their accents, also were they wearing Leicester City shirts?

Seated in Row 4 Block 536 Entrance L Seats 277 and 277 from one eye witness account.

[Guest]

18 minutes ago, Boethius said:

Of course racism is 'an' issue, but

[StanSP]

18 minutes ago, Boethius said:

Surely, Leicester is one of the most tolerant cities in one of the most tolerant countries in the world? 

May be, but you're not being very tolerable by booing the knee, are you?

 

 

18 minutes ago, Boethius said:

My opinion, is that BLM and taking the knee, is creating rather than closing division. 

 

You choose to create that division by booing it, no? They want to create togetherness and equality, yet you're literally booing in their faces when they attempt to do that?

 

 

Also, HOW MANY FVCKING TIMES do people need to be told that the message behind taking the knee here is in no way an association of their gesture and BLM. Again, you choose to make that link and are ignorant of the message they want to convey.

 

18 minutes ago, Boethius said:

I respect all views. If only all could do the same.

 

You don't though, do you?

 

Booing the taking of the knee is hardly respecting it, is it? Is that your vision of respect? Booing? It's a bit contradictory to claim you respect all views but your actions state differently.

[yorkie1999]

1 hour ago, demon_dog said:

I probably have a much more simplistic view of all this. That is to treat all people the way you yourself wish to be treated. 

No matter what race, colour, gender or sexuality you are. 

I wish people to be nice to me, don't you wish the same? 

Doesn’t work in football. Every club has its ultras, or whatever they aspire to be, that want nothing more than everyone to hate them as it’s some sort of trophy. The fact that this forum has a do they mean us thread is proof of that.

[Bluetintedspecs]

Having scanned through the 18 pages , I know why I hate any potentially political issues around football, however tenuous the link may be!

On that point do people think that if instead of this issue remaining controversial and divisive , the Football Authorities could intervene with a clear message on the message?

By this I mean why can't it be an existing movement like Kick Racism Out being the clear and defined figurehead for the pre match message, no doubts ? 

As for the Keane and Wrighty abuse, sadly like all clubs we have a faction of braindead knuckledraggers, hopefully these morons will be identified and banned for life from our great club because their actions were sickening and unforgivable.

 

 

[Itsthejoeker]

6 minutes ago, StanSP said:

May be, but you're not being very tolerable by booing the knee, are you?

 

 

 

You choose to create that division by booing it, no? They want to create togetherness and equality, yet you're literally booing in their faces when they attempt to do that?

 

 

Also, HOW MANY FVCKING TIMES do people need to be told that the message behind taking the knee here is in no way an association of their gesture and BLM. Again, you choose to make that link and are ignorant of the message they want to convey.

 

 

You don't though, do you?

 

Booing the taking of the knee is hardly respecting it, is it? Is that your vision of respect? Booing? It's a bit contradictory to claim you respect all views but your actions state differently.

Maybe expecting racists to have reading comprehension above a key stage 1 level is a little harsh?

Edited 8 August 2021 by Itsthejoeker

[purpleronnie]

3 minutes ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

Having scanned through the 18 pages , I know why I hate any potentially political issues around football, however tenuous the link may be!

On that point do people think that if instead of this issue remaining controversial and divisive , the Football Authorities could intervene with a clear message on the message?

By this I mean why can't it be an existing movement like Kick Racism Out being the clear and defined figurehead for the pre match message, no doubts ? 

As for the Keane and Wrighty abuse, sadly like all clubs we have a faction of braindead knuckledraggers, hopefully these morons will be identified and banned for life from our great club because their actions were sickening and unforgivable.

 

 

EFL and the Premier League, The FA, FA Women’s Super League, FA Women’s Championship, PFA, LMA, FSA, PGMOL, Kick it Out have all stated they support taking the knee and do not view it as an alignment to any political organisation or ideology, but rather raising the awareness of this important issue

[yorkie1999]

1 minute ago, Bluetintedspecs said:

Having scanned through the 18 pages , I know why I hate any potentially political issues around football, however tenuous the link may be!

On that point do people think that if instead of this issue remaining controversial and divisive , the Football Authorities could intervene with a clear message on the message?

By this I mean why can't it be an existing movement like Kick Racism Out being the clear and defined figurehead for the pre match message, no doubts ? 

As for the Keane and Wrighty abuse, sadly like all clubs we have a faction of braindead knuckledraggers, hopefully these morons will be identified and banned for life from our great club because their actions were sickening and unforgivable.

 

 

That’s quite a good idea actually. Why don’t football clubs resurrect the kick out racism slogan with an image of a player taking the knee. The players are still doing it so it’s quite obvious what the message is and It’s so easy for them to do it simply by putting images on the big screens and advertising boards.

[Izzy]

1 hour ago, Nick said:

Y’know, lots of older people talking about how taking the knee is becoming devalued (to them and others) fair enough. But I’d argue it’s not about them.

 

We are talking about recognising and then attempting to eradicate prejudice, bias and inequality. That doesn’t happen overnight. It happens over generations.

 

So let’s talk about the next generations. They tuck their shorts in to their pants before taking a free kick like Ronaldo. They cover their mouths with their hands when they talk to each other (laughably to prevent TV lip readers seeing what they are saying!) They’re all wearing their Madders/Grealish Alice bands (oldies not keen on them either) and in local grassroot games and kickabouts on parks up and down the country they are taking the knee… and it’s being explained to them why. 
 

Ive never known a generation of young people less prejudice, more open to the idea of people being people and not judging on gender, race and sexual orientation than the generation coming through.

 

Just sayin that maybe taking the knee isn’t about what immediate impact many adults think it’s having and how it makes them feel. Maybe it’s all about what it’s always been about - future generations learning from the dick head issues their forefathers didn’t deal with.

Brilliant post. My kids put me and my generation to shame when it comes to acceptance and equality.

 

They might be a pain in the arse and permanently glued to their devices, but they teach me every day to be more aware of my prejudices and unconscious bias.

[MGLCFC]

11 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Doesn’t work in football. Every club has its ultras, or whatever they aspire to be, that want nothing more than everyone to hate them as it’s some sort of trophy. The fact that this forum has a do they mean us thread is proof of that.

Just out of interest, why are they called 'Ultras' and not Kn0b heads?

[leicsmac]

56 minutes ago, MarshallForEngland said:

I must say I find it amusing that I am at once a knuckle-dragging neanderthal who can barely read and an arrogant prig who deliberately uses complex language to bamboozle others.

I don't think that anyone said that all people that hold racist beliefs were not smart. Some of them were (and are) very smart indeed, the officer class, as it were. And that makes them dangerous. (Not implying that you belong in that group by the way, it's a simple statement of fact).

 

So while I personally appreciate the eloquence of your delivery and the verbose way in which you posit your argument, my own take on it is that it is possibly the biggest red herring put forth since smoking herring for the purposes of preservation became available, and a smokescreen to attempt to cloud a matter that has been made crystal clear by the Prem, the players and practically everyone else involved, most often by parties with their own axe to grind on the issue one way or another. Especially when it is put forth that racism isn't that big of an issue on a thread where a popular black figure has suffered racist abuse.

 

Of course, the opinion is valid to be expressed. It's just logically fallacious.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Itsthejoeker said:

Maybe expecting racists to have read comprehension above a key stage 1 level is a little harsh?

Don't underestimate the above officer class.