Ian Wright abuse today

[UHDrive]

Racism and discrimination shouldn't exist, full stop. Sadly though, I feel it always will to an extent. 

 

One ticking time bomb 💣 is the taking of the knee and I think it needs to stop as it appears to be making the problem worse. People are becoming frustrated that, as they see it, they work hard and put a lot of commitment into their team and watching them whether by themselves or their families and they simply don't want see it anymore because these hobbies are their life. Maybe they want to get back to normality and simply watch a football game.

 

It's becoming an easy target I feel, not just for racists and people who discriminate, but more importantly now for people who are simply fed up with it.

 

I feel sorry for Wrighty but he's got a thick skin. However, it was despicable behaviour from us and a massive blot on a club that most fans in the entire country see as a model of a football club to look up to.

[Finnegan]

43 minutes ago, 4everfox said:

I won't pretend that I know a great deal about the BLM movement, because I don't, but disapproving of BLM because they're "socialists" is a perfectly acceptable reason for not supporting the movement. There's nothing even remotely racist about that, some people just don't like socialism, and that is okay.

 

BLM isn't an organisation, its a hash tag. It just means black lives matter.

 

Its got no centralised, core values beyond that black lives matter. Its not a socialist organisation, its not a left wing organisation, its not anything other than a slogan for people who all agree that institutional racial prejudice is a problem. 

 

A few Facebook groups and twitter profiles using the name have advocated left wing causes but they don't speak for everyone that have campaigned under the tag BLM. 

 

Equating them with socialism is a classic American dog whistle to rabble rouse and encourage the legitimacy of racists counter protesting. 

 

Oh and for the record, I love the fvcking irony of the same Brit knuckle draggers that were banging their pots and pans to thank the NHS a few months ago sneering at "socialism" now because they've heard America's muppets doing the same. 

[sheffield_fox]

4 minutes ago, Cujek said:

No, but I think everyone arguing about who is the least racist is pathetic and it's just getting boring now.

Imagine how boring it must be for the people who actually the victims of the abuse then. 

 

What a useless, childish attitude. 

[KFS]

3 minutes ago, Claridge said:

Might have worded that badly, but he did hold a knife to a pregnant woman's stomach to rob her, doesn't excuse the policeman, but portraying him as some kind of hero by the BLM movement doesn't feel right to me.

I live in the US mate and this is the first time I’ve ever heard that. He’s certainly not been portrayed as a hero, more another person in a long line of unnecessary deaths. 8 mins 46 kneel on neck levels of unnecessary btw. The whole thing started because of a counterfeit bank note that could happen to any of us. 
 

Anyway, I do agree that a US issue and attention started it off but you just have to look at the summer abuse of three of our own English players to see that there’s still work to be done.

[Finnaldo]

1 minute ago, UHDrive said:

Racism and discrimination shouldn't exist, full stop. Sadly though, I feel it always will to an extent. 

 

One ticking time bomb 💣 is the taking of the knee and I think it needs to stop as it appears to be making the problem worse. People are becoming frustrated that, as they see it, they work hard and put a lot of commitment into their team and watching them whether by themselves or their families and they simply don't want see it anymore because these hobbies are their life. Maybe they want to get back to normality and simply watch a football game.

 

It's becoming an easy target I feel, not just for racists and people who discriminate, but more importantly now for people who are simply fed up with it.

 

I feel sorry for Wrighty but he's got a thick skin. However, it was despicable behaviour from us and a massive blot on a club that most fans in the entire country see as a model of a football club to look up to.

Yeah I’m sure they’ll wheel that excuse out, would they feel the same if someone was to suggest removing the poppy and any Remembrance Day involvement in football to get back to a ‘simple football game’? 
 

Yeah, don’t think so. 

[KFS]

3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

BLM isn't an organisation, its a hash tag. It just means black lives matter.

 

Its got no centralised, core values beyond that black lives matter. Its not a socialist organisation, its not a left wing organisation, its not anything other than a slogan for people who all agree that institutional racial prejudice is a problem. 

 

A few Facebook groups and twitter profiles using the name have advocated left wing causes but they don't speak for everyone that have campaigned under the tag BLM. 

 

Equating them with socialism is a classic American dog whistle to rabble rouse and encourage the legitimacy of racists counter protesting. 

 

Oh and for the record, I love the fvcking irony of the same Brit knuckle draggers that were banging their pots and pans to thank the NHS a few months ago sneering at "socialism" now because they've heard America's muppets doing the same. 

This.

[STUHILL]

1 minute ago, UHDrive said:

People are becoming frustrated that, as they see it, they work hard and put a lot of commitment into their team and watching them whether by themselves or their families and they simply don't want see it anymore because these hobbies are their life. Maybe they want to get back to normality and simply watch a football game.

You're in the minority with this thinking, judging by the mass of cheers drowning out the boos when they kneel. 

 

"Normality" means brushing it under the carpet like previous generations have. "Normality" means players being constantly racial abused with no end in sight. 

[Claridge]

1 minute ago, KFS said:

I live in the US mate and this is the first time I’ve ever heard that. He’s certainly not been portrayed as a hero, more another person in a long line of unnecessary deaths. 8 mins 46 kneel on neck levels of unnecessary btw. The whole thing started because of a counterfeit bank note that could happen to any of us. 
 

Anyway, I do agree that a US issue and attention started it off but you just have to look at the summer abuse of three of our own English players to see that there’s still work to be done.

absolut

 

1 minute ago, KFS said:

I live in the US mate and this is the first time I’ve ever heard that. He’s certainly not been portrayed as a hero, more another person in a long line of unnecessary deaths. 8 mins 46 kneel on neck levels of unnecessary btw. The whole thing started because of a counterfeit bank note that could happen to any of us. 
 

Anyway, I do agree that a US issue and attention started it off but you just have to look at the summer abuse of three of our own English players to see that there’s still work to be done.

Definately work still to be done, but i'm not sure the taking the knee is achieving anything now, needs to move on to something that even more people can support

[Guest MarshallForEngland]

12 minutes ago, sheffield_fox said:

So you don't think that racism exists in this country to a sufficient extent to constitute 'a problem'?

 

Thus we don't need to do anything about racism? 

 

What if you're wrong? 

Clearly no reasonable person could say that it does not exist. I just think it is largely a fringe idea which would get you laughed or booted out in virtually any social context. To me what we're seeing now looks very much like a moral panic, which at times borders on the hysterical, often taking on an almost religious fervour.

 

If I'm wrong, I shall concede that I was wrong and that I failed to understand the true nature of the situation. That's why I love talking to people, because I can adapt my world view to incorporate new information, and if it is true that this is not a moral panic or rapid expansion of a dangerous ideology but instead a perfectly reasonable response to the growing threat of racism, it's better I find out sooner rather than later.

[UHDrive]

Just now, Finnaldo said:

Yeah I’m sure they’ll wheel that excuse out, would they feel the same if someone was to suggest removing the poppy and any Remembrance Day involvement in football to get back to a ‘simple football game’? 
 

Yeah, don’t think so. 

Why would it be an "excuse"? Everything in life moves on, it's called evolution. My post wasn't defending racists or using excuses, it was identifying how people might be genuinely feeling about it. I for one can understand people starting to get frustrated with this now, but it doesn't mean I'm condoning the actions of others.

[KFS]

Just now, Claridge said:

absolut

 

Definately work still to be done, but i'm not sure the taking the knee is achieving anything now, needs to move on to something that even more people can support

Fair comments and I agree 👍