Patson Daka

[st albans fox]

The way he was struggling to limp around the pitch you’d expect that to be a couple months at least  - was weird because he didn’t seeem to particularly stretch it out when he did it 

[Suzie the Fox]

Looked like he was in alot of pain when he came off, is it too soon to have got any updates to the actual injury or eta on his return? 

[filbertway]

20 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Now hold on. Easy goals? Who cares? He could score 20 penalties, 20 off his arse, does it matter? Right place, same outcome, it’s all part of the position. 

Disagree on this. Of course it matters how the goals are scored, if someone scores 30 1 yard tap ins and one season, it doesn't mean they're a top quality striker. Context is surely very important when judging a players talent and what they can consistently offer in the future.

 

I just can't get my head around the black and white thinking in football. It just leads to the ridiculously fickle opinions you see week in week out.

 

The one that annoyed me the most was the people that ironically said "All yakubu does is score goals" haha. Aye, what really helps a teams all round game is some lazy lump that makes it feel like you're playing the game with 10 men 99% of the time he's on the pitch.

 

All of what I said has nothing to with Daka as I've already seen Daka score plenty of different goals and have every confidence he's a player that can go on to have a very decent career in the top european leagues. 

 

I just had to get that off my chest as I see people spouting stuff like this all the time, like it's some genius piece of thinking and the people that like applying context are the idiots. Not really aimed at you either as I'm pretty sure you just love playing devils advocate and offering the contrary opinion on any matter  haha

 

 

[taupe]

2 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Of course it matters how the goals are scored, if someone scores 30 1 yard tap ins and one season, it doesn't mean they're a top quality striker.

Right place right time? Part of the art maybe. 

 

I dunno, I can't talk, I wouldn't pick Nacho yet others wouldn't be without him. Go figure, as they say.

[SouthStandUpperTier]

Jesus wept. I suppose some of our fans think Gary Lineker was shite because he only scored from about 8 yards and in.

Edited 31 December 2022 by SouthStandUpperTier

[volpeazzurro]

5 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Disagree on this. Of course it matters how the goals are scored, if someone scores 30 1 yard tap ins and one season, it doesn't mean they're a top quality striker. Context is surely very important when judging a players talent and what they can consistently offer in the future.

 

I just can't get my head around the black and white thinking in football. It just leads to the ridiculously fickle opinions you see week in week out.

 

The one that annoyed me the most was the people that ironically said "All yakubu does is score goals" haha. Aye, what really helps a teams all round game is some lazy lump that makes it feel like you're playing the game with 10 men 99% of the time he's on the pitch.

 

All of what I said has nothing to with Daka as I've already seen Daka score plenty of different goals and have every confidence he's a player that can go on to have a very decent career in the top european leagues. 

 

I just had to get that off my chest as I see people spouting stuff like this all the time, like it's some genius piece of thinking and the people that like applying context are the idiots. Not really aimed at you either as I'm pretty sure you just love playing devils advocate and offering the contrary opinion on any matter  haha

 

 

There are many 'right place,right time' examples of players from the past who annoyingly to oppositions, managed to regularly score unspectacular goals and yes they do all count. It becomes so repetitive that it can't be argued that it's an accident, particularly if it happens a few seasons in a row. Think Greaves, our own 'Sniffer' Clarke and Lineker, Robbie Fowler with loads in Europe like Muller and Inzaghi! Some of them can look clumsy and ungainly too like times like Thomas Muller or perhaps at a lower level, even our own Iheanacho given a run of games. Unspectacular at times yes, but invaluable also.

[SouthStandUpperTier]

9 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said:

There are many 'right place,right time' examples of players from the past who annoyingly to oppositions, managed to regularly score unspectacular goals and yes they do all count. It becomes so repetitive that it can't be argued that it's an accident, particularly if it happens a few seasons in a row. Think Greaves, our own 'Sniffer' Clarke and Lineker, Robbie Fowler with loads in Europe like Muller and Inzaghi! Some of them can look clumsy and ungainly too like times like Thomas Muller or perhaps at a lower level, even our own Iheanacho given a run of games. Unspectacular at times yes, but invaluable also.

Did Tony Cottee ever score a goal for us outside the 6-yard box? Not many if he did. They all count the same. Being a close-range predator is a skill in itself.

Edited 31 December 2022 by SouthStandUpperTier

[Finnegan]

15 hours ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

I really like him and hope he's alright. He looks like what we've bought to me, a bit of a young unpolished diamond signed from a bit of a duff league but one in which he's displayed stupid potential. I think he's shown enough for us to think he'd be capable in a side that actually creates chances, unfortunately we don't.

 

Much, much louder for the people at the back. 

[taupe]

11 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Being a close-range predator is a skill in itself.

Yes, I think so too. It's reading the game, making the run, losing the defence, etc etc

 

I get the thought that good footballers are good with the ball at their feet (and I find myself sharing it, perhaps too often) but it's the game requires a number of differently abled players. Think of the lumbering centre backs of old; they were stoppers, cloggers, hoofers. The games moved on, sure, (and maybe Pep likes his CBs to be able to do keepy-uppies all night long nowadays) but the skill sets still vary. Our own Wilf can't shoot to save himself, is hardly the best passer in the game, but excels and what he does and is a valuable asset (when he's on his game...)

 

[volpeazzurro]

7 hours ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

Did Tony Cottee ever score a goal for us outside the 6-yard box? Not many if he did. They all count the same. Being a close-range predator is a skill in itself.

Absolutely agree, Cottee was great to watch I thought, very rarely gave the ball away. Near post predatory specialist. Clever player.

[sacreblueits442]

On 29/12/2022 at 22:41, Freeman's Wharfer said:

If Vardy wasn’t on the scene anymore this guy would be getting cut a lot more slack. We’d potentially even be playing a different formation with him and Iheanacho together up front and there wouldn’t be someone waiting in the wings who can do the job upfront by himself as well as Vardy can.

....if we chose to play Nacho and Daka together then Maddison does not get to play the 10# role!!!

   Playing Maddison wide right is a compromise, better to sell and get the formation that you want as opposed to make do and mend. If we wish to play a certain style then by all means there has been sufficient windows to have developed a team to play in a way that the manager perceives. It has not happened and it should have by now.

 

Edited 1 January 2023 by sacreblueits442
Spelling error.

[st albans fox]

Didn’t anyone ask a question in the presser ??

[Dahnsouff]

On 01/01/2023 at 13:00, sacreblueits442 said:

....if we chose to play Nacho and Daka together then Maddison does not get to play the 10# role!!!

   Playing Maddison wide right is a compromise, better to sell and get the formation that you want as opposed to make do and mend. If we wish to play a certain style then by all means there has been sufficient windows to have developed a team to play in a way that the manager perceives. It has not happened and it should have by now.

 

Diamond until we get a decent RW seems appropriate

[Sampson]

Wanted him to come good. Fully lost patience with him now if I’m honest.
 

Can’t be bothered with the “it’s not him, it’s the service” excuses.

 

It’s like Beckford all over again, people trying to make out his poor movement and anticipation are everyone else’s fault but his.
 

He’s also nowhere near as quick as we were led to believe, at least not in terms of acceleration off the mark either.

[Fox92]

Awful. Never rated him, gave him a chance, but now fully lost it with him. Can't wait to get rid.

[foxile5]

Passing to Barnes rather than shooting just stank of a striker low on confidence.

 

The problem is that I don't believe we've a team nor a manager that will ever build it up to get the best out of him.

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, foxile5 said:

Passing to Barnes rather than shooting just stank of a striker low on confidence.

 

The problem is that I don't believe we've a team nor a manager that will ever build it up to get the best out of him.

We must be the only fanbase that wants to build around one player. It's a team game and he isn't good enough to fit in it.

Edited 11 January 2023 by Fox92

[Rigga]

Have to agree.. 18 months in now with Daka and still waiting to really see what we had forked out for..

 

Musa mark 2 pretty much..

[Guest Col city fan]

I remain convinced this lad is much much better than what we are seeing.

Hes yet another player that is completely devoid of confidence playing for Bodgers.

When he squared that ball to Barnes last night, the Daka playing a couple of seasons ago would have absolutely buried that. He’d have had no qualms about shooting.

I feel sorry for Daka personally. I think he’s another very talented striker, playing in a shite team and having zero confidence.

At this rate, they’ll all leave. And I bet you if Daka wants out, he’ll have plenty of clubs wanting his services.

Some of our players are much better than what we’re seeing. It’s the club that’s the issue. It stinks from the top down (no pun intended) and Bodgers cannot get any sort of tune out of them.

As soon as he sods off, we’ll see at least some of these lads demonstrate a fifty per cent improvement 

[chapero82]

Just now, Rigga said:

Have to agree.. 18 months in now with Daka and still waiting to really see what we had forked out for..

 

Musa mark 2 pretty much..

I’d say he’s worse than Musa 

[Lako42]

Very similar scoring record to Slimani during his time here now. 

[martyn]

He is a player low on confidence at the minute. He has shown enough to me to suggest that he could be a very decent striker. He is quick enough, a willing runner, and has shown he can be a clinical finisher. Currently he is playing in a dysfunctional team. 

 

I felt sorry for him last night, he actually put in a decent shift, got in down the channels a fair bit, and his work rate and pressing of their back 4 was very good, yet he gets pilloried for wasting 1 chance.

 

I think a lot of the criticism comes from a place where he is simply not Jamie Vardy (but then, who is?) and he is the player we assumed to be the natural replacement given his attributes

Edited 11 January 2023 by martyn

[Buzzell]

I just see him turning into another Kramaric. Low on confidence here, struggling to really adapt but no doubt, abroad, he can bang them in left, right and centre.

[taupe]

2 minutes ago, foxile5 said:

Passing to Barnes rather than shooting just stank of a striker low on confidence.

So afraid of ****ing up (why?) that he, um, ****ed up.

 

To be clear, I agree and made the same point in the match thread. It's a striker's job to take on those chances; be greedy and go for goal. He didn't. Plaudits for unselfishness but equally, as a striker, you're cut some slack if take the shot and miss. I thought it was easier to shoot than to cut it back, yet he chose not to. He simply didn't back himself to score from there.

[Guest Col city fan]

2 minutes ago, chapero82 said:

I’d say he’s worse than Musa 

I think people are doing what they always do. Stating that (insert name here) is shite and that we should never have signed them.

When we were linked with Daka, he was on fire and lots of clubs across Europe were interested in signing him.

There will always be a bigger picture involved regarding why such a good player has gone off the boil. Ndidi is probably the best example of this, but Barnes is getting there too as is Nacho.

Itll be about the manager, the club and why a particular player, or players, are not performing.

Ndidi, we know, can be excellent. Same with Barnes and same with Daka.

The CLUB stinks at present. It needs a wholesale rethink, starting with a new manager and possibly even a new owner.