Our Internationals 2021/22

[moore_94]

 

[Manini]

Southgate’s a grass 

[Sharpe's Fox]

Why are people saying Maddiosn having 1 or 2 G/A more than other players like Mount then that is a dead set reason to pick him? Surely if its that close then it would mean the managers preference should be the deciding factor? I don't like Southgate and would like him binned tomorrow but if he doesn't like the player then fair enough. I have more respect for Southgate for sticking by what he wants to do.

[BenTheFox]

7 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Its one of the biggest uproars in quite some time. He's taken a dislike to Maddison for non footballing reasons and no matter what he does he won't pick him, maybe if he joins one of the big 6 it will put pressure on him by the media to do so but until then he'll not face much flak.

 

He tried this shit with Trent Alexander-Arnold too to a certain extent, he's the strangest England manager we've ever had the misfortune of being charge.

He's also the most successful England manager of my lifetime. 

[majaco]

2 minutes ago, Ross 'LCFC' Turner said:

This is the first and only time I think Maddison actually deserves a call up. 

 

Connor Gallagher deservedly got his call up earlier on in the season but he hasn't been anywhere near the level of Maddison since which makes a mockery of everything Southgate has spouted in the past about picking players on form  

Gallacher is a good player.   But when we played Palace, there was a dominant English player on the pitch:   KDH.

 

Maddison has been on form for months.  He's a leader on the pitch too.

 

He wasn't picked because Southgate was picking players on form.  Now Maddison is.on form, Southgate is sticking with what he knows.

 

Justin has been okay.  But there are times when he deserved to be in the squad more.

 

[CrazyKopCorner]

7 minutes ago, Manini said:

Southgate’s a grass 

Southgate is a complete and utter twonk - Ideally I'd not want any of our players near the berk 

[DJ Barry Hammond]

41 minutes ago, Joe90lcfc said:

Absolutely bedazzled how Justin has got a place and Maddison hasn’t, fair play to Justin, but he hasn’t been great since injury, Maddison on the other hand has done enough in my opinion for a call up, I know it’s a tough position with England having good options but come on give the man a chance 

Justin has the versatility to pay as both a full back and outside centre half in a three - something Southgate has often chosen to do with Kyle Walker, so that’s why Justin is in, he fits the systems he likes to flex between.

 

With Maddison… well Southgate didn’t play Grealish much in the Euro’s after the huge season he had had with Villa, so it’s not just an issue he has with Maddison as I see it, I think it’s more a case of Southgate being wedded to certain players in the attacking third (Kane, Sterling, Mount, Foden), regardless of club form.

 

Now there is some merit to that thinking - at international level you have so little time with players to build instinctive relationships and playing patterns that it may be better to stick with a core set of players over a period - but it’s also understandable why many on here are baffled by Maddison’s omission from the squad. 

[rachhere]

10 minutes ago, Sharpe's Fox said:

Why are people saying Maddiosn having 1 or 2 G/A more than other players like Mount then that is a dead set reason to pick him? Surely if its that close then it would mean the managers preference should be the deciding factor? I don't like Southgate and would like him binned tomorrow but if he doesn't like the player then fair enough. I have more respect for Southgate for sticking by what he wants to do.

It is close and I definitely wouldn't see him playing ahead of them at this stage, but we will need to rotate and we need options off the bench. Having 11 defenders vs 6 midfielders is just nuts when we have been playing 4 at the back lately.

[HoChiMinhFOX]

Gutted for Madderz, if anyone deserved it this season he did. But also to include Jack Grealish after his awful season over the likes of Barnes, who although has been off it, has still managed double figures in goals and assists over all competitions. Madness. 

 

Edit:

 

Go on Justin lad!!

Edited 24 May 2022 by HoChiMinhFOX

[BenTheFox]

1 minute ago, HoChiMinhFOX said:

Gutted for Madderz, if anyone deserved it this season he did. But also to include Jack Grealish after his awful season over the likes of Barnes, who although has been off it, has still managed double figures in goals and assists over all competitions. Madness. 

 

Edit:

 

Go on Justin lad!!

Grealish is a much better footballer than Barnes though, let's be honest here. I understand the argument for picking players on form but you can't just pick players based on form. If you did that then we would moan when the squad understandably has no cohesion because it keeps changing so drastically. 

[CrazyKopCorner]

1 hour ago, lcfcell said:

i dont care about england at all but im gutted for him. 

It's such a shame that he wants to play for England so much. 

 

I can honestly say that if it were me I'd not be bothered of playing for England whilst that idiots in charge 

[Grebfromgrebland]

Time for Madison to choose a country where he's appreciated or move to club where he is recognised.

[cruzFOX]

As long as madders gets to go to the World Cup than to hell with the nations league if that’s what southgate cares about.

[SixtiesFox]

It's almost as if Southgate doesn't want to give Maddison a chance because he's scared he'll prove him wrong! Leaving him out despite the fact that he has stated he picks players on form is bollocks! No matter what he does Maddison has no chance with Southgate in charge. However, after we walk through our weak WC qualifying group the perennial loser will be found out once again once England come up against a quality side and then it will be time for a change. Resist the temptation to become a bench warmer like Grealish at Man City and focus on being superb for the Foxes Madders and your time will come.

[Sampson]

I think the issue isn’t who he’s picked “over Maddison”, it’s that Smith-Rowe’s position in the squad was the one Maddison should take over. People going after Mount are barking up the wrong tree. Mount has had another great season, let’s not talk him down because you’re angry.

 

But Mount’s back-up was Smith-Rowe and he’s dropped Smith-Rowe for other players. He now has 5 wingers competing for 2 positions, 5 deep-lying midfielders competing for 2 positions and 6 centre-backs competing for 2 positions.

 

All while only having one recognised #10 while playing 4231 in Mount.

 

He’s essentially said it’s better to have 2 surplus defenders and play other players out of position like Foden than to choose Maddison as a recognised #10 when he has to rightly drop Smith-Rowe as Mount’s backup for poor form.

Edited 24 May 2022 by Sampson

[davieG]

Southgate said he has selected 11 defenders in his squad because of doubts over the fitness of some.

"It is a bit of a minefield, in terms of players who have missed football and are coming back from injuries," he said. "Luke Shaw and Ben Chilwell haven't played at all. Marc Guehi is a doubt.

"Fikayo has had a very good season with AC Milan and I talked in March about wanting to have a look at some of the young centre-backs coming through and some of these guys are slightly ahead of Tyrone [Mings], who has always played well for us.

[dmayne7]

Justin one is strange purely because he hasn't been playing anywhere near the levels pre injury. If he was at that level, he should be one of the first players in the squad because of his versatility and with all the other injuries, probably the best left available (just not sure the form or fitness is there).

 

Madders is done. Nations league is a great chance to test him out in a competitive environment. Offers something different too. If he can't get in under these circumstances, there's no chance for him.

[SixtiesFox]

35 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

He's also the most successful England manager of my lifetime. 

And the luckiest! What has the guy won in his entire managerial career? Perennial loser! Wears a nice waistcoat and doffs his cap to the establishment. Perfect man for the England job!

[Sunbury Fox]

1 hour ago, RGFox said:

Has to be this, on performance his stats are decent. Tbf he has picked Gallagher (although he'll be back at Chelsea no doubt) who has played ok but not the stats

Don't forget that GS's assistant, Steve Holland, is the ex Chelsea youth team coach. Gallagher will be the latest to benefit from that connection. I'm sure Holland also ensured that Mount was fast tracked into the England team after about 2 EPL games, whilst Maddison was told at the time (ie before the casino incident) that he needed to prove himself more before he got a call up (despite a very successful first season in the EPL and much better stats in the Championship for Norwich than Mount managed at Derby). The whole thing just stinks tbh. He's basically selected an extra right back rather than picked Maddison as an attacking option. 

Edited 24 May 2022 by Sunbury Fox

[SouthStandUpperTier]

That's a result for Maddison. He now gets to spend the whole summer making memories that will last a lifetime with his young family, instead of having to listen to Southgate drone on, or stare in wonderment at Phil Foden's peanut-sized head.

[BenTheFox]

6 minutes ago, SixtiesFox said:

And the luckiest! What has the guy won in his entire managerial career? Perennial loser! Wears a nice waistcoat and doffs his cap to the establishment. Perfect man for the England job!

The issue is, world class managers do not want to manage England! Before Southgate they literally interviewed Steve Bruce and gave the job to Sam Allardyce. In my opinion he gets far more stick than he deserves. You can say that he's had favourable fixtures in his two major tournaments but he still beat what was put in front of him. That's more you can say about Capello, Hodgson and McClaren. This is the same Capello who was a proven winner before managing England and he turned out to be a complete flop. 

[Facecloth]

1 hour ago, BenTheFox said:

He's also the most successful England manager of my lifetime. 

Maybe controversial or unpopular opinion, but I think we got where we despite Southgate not due to him. A better manager and we'd be world and European champions. The squad, and players outside it at his disposal, he could be getting more out of them.

Edited 24 May 2022 by Facecloth

[BenTheFox]

Just now, Facecloth said:

Maybe controversial or unpopular opinion, but I think we got where we despite Southgate not due to him. A better manager and we'd be world and European champions. The squad, and platers outside it at his disposal, he could be getting more out of them.

There's a reason why that could be considered controversial/unpopular, because it's frankly ridiculous. The squad that France had in the 2018 World Cup was miles better than England's. In fact it would be hilarious to even try to compare them. 

[LCGraphix]

Puppet on a string

[brookfox]

Southgate has clearly seen something in his personality when he was in the squad that he didn’t like. If it was purely on football performances Maddison makes the squad.

 

Delighted for JJ though. Not at his pre-injury best but a good pre-season and he should have a stormer next year.