Ademola Lookman signs on loan

[Hales]

Sign him up!

[Raw Dykes]

26 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

 Correct, What that should tell us though, is that our wage structure is wrong. 

We should be paying smaller salaries with bigger bonuses.

Is it wrong, though? The club has to pay what it takes to attract players to the club and keep them here.

 

Let's say two clubs offer similar contracts to a player, but one is made up of more guaranteed wages and less bonuses than the other, which one do you think the player is likely to go for?

Edited 18 February 2022 by Raw Dykes

[baldeagle]

He’s an upgrade on Perez and he was  reported at being 30 million by some 

[weller54]

1 hour ago, cityfanlee23 said:

One thing I would note, is that Lookman is a player that has always shown promise and has that little bit of class. He does not always have consistency but he's an upgrade on Gray imo. 
It's worth mentioning just how average this season has been for us, I fully expect if we signed Lookman in Rodgers first 12 months, he would have been a completely different player. If we can get him for 20m I'd take it and ship out Perez to fund it. The way we are playing right now, I'm trying not to judge AL. 

How much would we get back for Perez, and who'd be stupid enough to buy him?

[January48]

Just now, weller54 said:

How much would we get back for Perez, and who'd be stupid enough to buy him?

Re Lookman. Think he's decent but not a top six quality player. I'm of the opinion we need to sign players to improve the first team. Depends on your ambition.

[Jonaldinho]

I like Lookman but he's far better on the left than the right, and we have Barnes there. If we sign him, we will still need a left footed right winger - plus two centre backs and a replacement for Tielemans. All depends on the fee and if we're planning on having any other big outgoings. 

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, cityfanlee23 said:

One thing I would note, is that Lookman is a player that has always shown promise and has that little bit of class. He does not always have consistency but he's an upgrade on Gray imo. 
It's worth mentioning just how average this season has been for us, I fully expect if we signed Lookman in Rodgers first 12 months, he would have been a completely different player. If we can get him for 20m I'd take it and ship out Perez to fund it. The way we are playing right now, I'm trying not to judge AL. 

Whilst I agree in general, 20m might be too much, possibly the money would be better spent on a genuine right sided player as Lookman for me appears better on the left tbh. I also forsee a flaw in the plan to finance it with the sale of Perez. I can't see any current or next seasons promoted teams being vaguely interested, he simply isn't good enough and at the wrong end of the age scale. Neither do I see him wanting to leave and receive a potential loss of earnings, why should he. He will remain until the end of his contract and a free agent. 

Edited 18 February 2022 by volpeazzurro

[Clever Fox]

1 hour ago, Raw Dykes said:

Is it wrong, though? The club has to pay what it takes to attract players to the club and keep them here.

 

Let's say two clubs offer similar contracts to a player, but one is made up of more guaranteed wages and less bonuses than the other, which one do you think the player is likely to go for?

In my experience Players will in most cases back themselves.

The bonus has to be structured so that it's a real incentive.

Also in your scenario your referring to top players who have earned the right to maybe demand more. When most of our signings are on the way up or the way down. And not in a strong position to dictate to the club.

Especially the ones on the way up.

[funkyrobot]

22 minutes ago, Jonaldinho said:

I like Lookman but he's far better on the left than the right, and we have Barnes there. If we sign him, we will still need a left footed right winger - plus two centre backs and a replacement for Tielemans. All depends on the fee and if we're planning on having any other big outgoings. 

You need cover for when Barnes is injured/out of form. Signing him is a no brainer for me. £15m is nothing these days. Add to that he can still be effective on the right means he can be the cover over there too should we ever actually sign a specialist right sided winger/attacker. 

[sacreblueits442]

7 hours ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said:

It's all about the price. But let's be clear he clearly is Prem level and his selling club will know that. So unless his contract has run down they will want  £15mil plus I'd say. I think he can also improve as he had undoubted technical ability. But his body language sometimes speaks of a player not fully convinced of his own ability. Less than 20 and I'd buy

....If I recall he was on the end of a KDH video where he was in the Video room and KDH mentions that he is always there!!!

The thing was he seemed quite shy and reserved, which probably goes with your observation of lacking belief in himself. He has a tendency to find himself in the right position, just makes poor decisions.  You do find that players never improve from this, as all around expect time with experience to fix the issue.

 Unless you bring in someone to take his game apart, not so much his ball skills but changing what he sees on the pitch, he is not going to resolve this.

    He needs a footballing guru to teach him, spending hours in the video room, on his own, will not work because no one is giving him the right input.

[Raw Dykes]

45 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

In my experience Players will in most cases back themselves.

The bonus has to be structured so that it's a real incentive.

Also in your scenario your referring to top players who have earned the right to maybe demand more. When most of our signings are on the way up or the way down. And not in a strong position to dictate to the club.

Especially the ones on the way up.

I'm referring to any player, really. If a player or his agent think they can get a better deal elsewhere, then it's likely they won't sign for us.

 

I expect the club won't want to overspend on wages, but they have to pay what it takes to have the players they feel they need. I should think Rudkin et al have probably considered offering more in bonuses and less in wages. For all we know, they might try it every time they start negotiations with a player. It might be common for players or their agents to forgo the bonuses in return for more in basic wage.

 

Just think it's odd that you'd say something is wrong when, as far as we know, there may well be a good reason for it being as it is (and we don't even know how it is, anyway!).

Edited 18 February 2022 by Raw Dykes

[majaco]

Sign him up

[Chelmofox]

We were right at the front in B3, and had a really good view of Brendan communicating with Lookman in the 2nd half. Brendan motioning circles which we presumed was overlapping with lookman and amartey (if you watch the bt sport highlights, you can see Brendan doing the same gesture to Amartey after our second goal). Pretty much everytime Brendan was shouting to lookman, lookman was blanking him and you could see Brendan getting visibly annoyed. Our take is he wasn’t doing what he was told where as other players were giving feedback to Brendan.

 

At the end Lookman and Choudhury gave their shirts to fans. Whilst a nice gesture (if you are in to that sort of thing!) Lookman made no eye contact with the fan at all, whilst Choudhury was all smiles.  My take is he is really, really shy and introverted. I noticed after Ndidi’s goal, Ndidi goes straight to KDH to celebrate even though the goal came from a nice 1-2 with lookman. 
 

I like him even though he is a bit frustrating and the shyness makes him difficult to warm to. However, unless he does what he’s told I don’t see Brendan keeping.

Edited 18 February 2022 by jamesp26

[woznotwos]

2 minutes ago, jamesp26 said:

We were right at the front in B3, and had a really good view of Brendan communicating with Lookman in the 2nd half. Brendan motioning circles which we presumed was overlapping with lookman and amartey (if you watch the bt sport highlights, you can see Brendan doing the same gesture to Amartey after our second goal). Pretty much everytime Brendan was shouting to lookman, lookman was blanking him and you could see Brendan getting visibly annoyed. Our take is he wasn’t doing what he was told where as other players were giving feedback to Brendan.

 

At the end Lookman and Choudhury gave their shirts to fans. Whilst a nice gesture (if you are in to that sort of thing!) Lookman made no eye contact with the fan at all, whilst Choudhury was all smiles.  My take is he is really, really shy and introverted. I noticed after Ndidi’s goal, Ndidi goes straight to KDH to celebrate even though the goal came from a nice 1-2 with lookman. 
 

I like him even though he is a bit frustrating and the shyness makes him difficult to warm to him. However, unless he does what he’s told I don’t see Brendan keeping.

Great post, thanx

[MalletFox]

I thought he was a little hit and miss last night. Miscontrolled a couple of great opportunities on the back post which would have almost certainly been goals and then headed wide at the back post late on when it seemed harder to miss. That said, another couple of assists and some decent, quick play.

 

It’s an absolute no brainer for me to sign him, he’s levels above Perez and is probably the best player we’ve had in RW since Mahrez left.

[MalletFox]

1 hour ago, jamesp26 said:

We were right at the front in B3, and had a really good view of Brendan communicating with Lookman in the 2nd half. Brendan motioning circles which we presumed was overlapping with lookman and amartey (if you watch the bt sport highlights, you can see Brendan doing the same gesture to Amartey after our second goal). Pretty much everytime Brendan was shouting to lookman, lookman was blanking him and you could see Brendan getting visibly annoyed. Our take is he wasn’t doing what he was told where as other players were giving feedback to Brendan.

 

At the end Lookman and Choudhury gave their shirts to fans. Whilst a nice gesture (if you are in to that sort of thing!) Lookman made no eye contact with the fan at all, whilst Choudhury was all smiles.  My take is he is really, really shy and introverted. I noticed after Ndidi’s goal, Ndidi goes straight to KDH to celebrate even though the goal came from a nice 1-2 with lookman. 
 

I like him even though he is a bit frustrating and the shyness makes him difficult to warm to. However, unless he does what he’s told I don’t see Brendan keeping.

Interesting observation. I noticed in the first half that Lookman was getting increasingly frustrated with Amartey for dallying on the ball too long and not moving it quick enough to him, then shortly after Amartey misplaced a pass down the line … 🤣

[Grebfromgrebland]

1 hour ago, jamesp26 said:

We were right at the front in B3, and had a really good view of Brendan communicating with Lookman in the 2nd half. Brendan motioning circles which we presumed was overlapping with lookman and amartey (if you watch the bt sport highlights, you can see Brendan doing the same gesture to Amartey after our second goal). Pretty much everytime Brendan was shouting to lookman, lookman was blanking him and you could see Brendan getting visibly annoyed. Our take is he wasn’t doing what he was told where as other players were giving feedback to Brendan.

 

At the end Lookman and Choudhury gave their shirts to fans. Whilst a nice gesture (if you are in to that sort of thing!) Lookman made no eye contact with the fan at all, whilst Choudhury was all smiles.  My take is he is really, really shy and introverted. I noticed after Ndidi’s goal, Ndidi goes straight to KDH to celebrate even though the goal came from a nice 1-2 with lookman. 
 

I like him even though he is a bit frustrating and the shyness makes him difficult to warm to. However, unless he does what he’s told I don’t see Brendan keeping.

Some players can't follow instructions and end up letting the whole side down. This is where players with 'game intelligence' or having a good 'football brain' really show their value.

 

I'm not sure either Barnes or lookman have great footballing brains when compared to someone like albrighton for example. 

[Ian Nacho]

He’s definitely a fantastic squad player but I still feel we need another winger. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

9 minutes ago, Ian Nacho said:

He’s definitely a fantastic squad player but I still feel we need another winger. 

Agree, I think he's solid but we only have him and Barnes as genuine wingers. For 45/50 games a season we need a third. 

[funkyrobot]

Anyone saying we shouldn’t sign this lad for 15million should watch the first half of the wolves match. Looks after the ball in challenging positions so well, creates chances, scores goals. 

[foxes_rule1978]

1 minute ago, funkyrobot said:

Anyone saying we shouldn’t sign this lad for 15million should watch the first half of the wolves match. Looks after the ball in challenging positions so well, creates chances, scores goals. 

He has done very well since joining and certainly well worth 15m 

Edited 20 February 2022 by foxes_rule1978

[HybridFox]

Been our best player this half. Looked dangerous

[Mark]

He always looks better on the left as that's his natural position.

[lcfc sheff]

Think he works better with Thomas than Barnes does.

[Steve Earle]

Just now, lcfc sheff said:

Think he works better with Thomas than Barnes does.

Agreed, though all combinations on the left work better than the old Chilwell/Barnes set up