Time wasting

[Raj]

Im in a minority here( in more  ways than one!) But i like shithousery.

If we were in positions like that I would want us to do it.

Pit we dont have the players or get into them wi ning positions.

Robbie Savage was the master of shithousery.

 

Edited 26 February 2023 by Raj

[moore_94]

11 hours ago, martyn said:

Should have been 10 minutes of stoppage time today. Martinelli injury, loads of subs, Jorginho and Xhaka on the floor constantly in the 2nd half, Ramsdale taking an age over every goal kick from their goal onwards.

 

Was absolutely expecting Saka to get booked as the classic case of the first yellow for time wasting being given in the 93rd minute so there is no danger of needing to make a difficult decision later. And even that got ignored.

 

There really should be an explanation as to why only 5 minutes were added on today. It would have made no difference to the outcome of course, but what on earth was the rationale for such little time being added on.

The Saka one was genuinely infuriating

 

Right in front of us, the ref actually put his fingers in his back pocket to get the yellow card out so he clearly wanted to, but then for whatever reason he seemingly just bothered not to

Edited 26 February 2023 by moore_94

[Raj]

11 hours ago, martyn said:

Always happens. Time waste all 2nd half, produce the first yellow card after the 90th minute. Refs won't want to be under pressure to send someone off for 2 yellows for time wasting by carding someone too early.

 

I don't blame teams for doing it, but it needs stamping out or if not, the correct amount of time added on.

Nailed it.

Like I said, if we had the players to do it or the positions to do it, none  of our fans would moan about us doing it.

We dont like other teams doing it to us though...

[jmono84]

11 hours ago, Corky said:

Do that against a team interested in attacking, backed up by officials giving the right amount of time, and they'll pay for it.

 

Was actually bizarre how desperate they were to disrupt a game they had no issues in.

I think we would have put a lot more pressure had the ref got a grip of arsenals antics but he allowed them to completely spoil the game rotten.

 

Arsenal were pricks for doing it but if it isn’t punished then why not do it.

 

Farcical officiating! Again 🥱 

[funkyrobot]

I would genuinely prefer Man City winning the league than Arsenal - thanks to Arteta they are the absolute masters of the worst aspects of shithousery - feigning injury and time wasting. 

[BigMicky]

18 minutes ago, Raj said:

Nailed it.

Like I said, if we had the players to do it or the positions to do it, none  of our fans would moan about us doing it.

We dont like other teams doing it to us though...

I would, i cant stand it. Jurgen Klinsmann normalised cheating when he took a dive after scoring, it opened the flood gates. I used to hate it when Vardy stuck out a leg or 'initiated contact' to win a free kick / penalty. No time for it.

Edited 26 February 2023 by BigMicky
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[StanSP]

11 minutes ago, funkyrobot said:

I would genuinely prefer Man City winning the league than Arsenal - thanks to Arteta they are the absolute masters of the worst aspects of shithousery - feigning injury and time wasting. 

Who do you think Arteta learnt it from?

[Freeman's Wharfer]

It’s reached a new low this season.

 

Fulham exploited the head injury rule worse than any team I’ve ever seen and the last 10 minutes of that game yesterday were made a non-event by Arsenal.

 

The crazy thing is a stop-start clock would go so far to eradicating it. But I’m convinced the authorities don’t want to do that as there’s some kind of commercial implication (I.e. cutting a third of the time that sponsorship could be guaranteed to be sold for during a game). The stoppage times in the World Cup were therefore a ludicrous halfway house of trying to address the problem without really addressing the problem.

 

There’s got to be more common sense refereeing too. The amount of times that you see a stoppage for an injury and the referee stands round having a breather or a chat without getting the restart ready. Injured players trots off with the physios and surprise surprise the ball is not where it needs to be for the restart or they haven’t decided who’s taking it yet. A quick word saying “I want you ready as soon as I blow the whistle or I’ll be using my card” could put an end to it.

 

The World Cup highlighted there is a problem that needs fixing, yet here we are with nothing done about it and the worst collection of referees the premier league has seen in decades.

[jmono84]

I’ve watch the last 20 mins back of the game and from 70:10 mins to 95:28 (full time) there was a massive 9:29 minutes of in play football from a total 25:18 minutes of actual time.

 

I don’t know what percentage that would be but it’s much lower than a very poor 50% standard!

 

We got about 2:20 minutes football from the 5:28 minutes given to us in ‘added’ time.

 

It’s really poor from a football perspective! Officials need to grip this.

Edited 26 February 2023 by jmono84

[Winchesterfox]

Let's call time wasting by its proper name - cheating.  It's spoiling the game.  Have an independent timekeeper and stop the clock every time there's an injury or substitution.  All teams do it a bit, but Arsenal yesterday were the worst I can remember for a long time.  .

 

[CosbehFox]

The head injury of Jorginho’s was an utter disgrace. There’s no way a medical member of staff can give him the okay within a minute. He went down twice with a head injury - at point does the ref say he needs checking properly for 3 to 4 minutes 

[adam]

The biggest piss take of the afternoon was when they had a little team talk with 10 minutes left and the ref just let them carry it on. Our players as usual showed no urgency to get the game going either.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

2 hours ago, Raj said:

Im in a minority here( in more  ways than one!) But i like shithousery.

If we were in positions like that I would want us to do it.

Pit we dont have the players or get into them wi ning positions.

Robbie Savage was the master of shithousery.

 

Yeah this. Can't have it both ways can we.

[phoneticerror]

2 hours ago, funkyrobot said:

I would genuinely prefer Man City winning the league than Arsenal - thanks to Arteta they are the absolute masters of the worst aspects of shithousery - feigning injury and time wasting. 

Up until yesterday I was happy for anybody to win as long as it wasn’t Man City. I now hope Arsenal miss the title by 1 point. Absolute c*nt stains yesterday, including Arteta. **** should’ve stayed in his box.

[Koke]

Maybe they should implement the World Cup style added time. Add 11 minutes and  watch time wasting decrease. 

[davieG]

Kieran Tripper does not understand why people are "kicking off" at Newcastle United's perceived time-wasting after Erik ten Hag called it "annoying".
The Manchester United manager made the comment ahead of Sunday's EFL Cup final meeting with Newcastle at Wembley, saying thee Magpies are an "annoying team to play against".
Eddie Howe's men have the ball in play for just 52.3 per cent of a match, the second lowest in the Premier League this season behind Leeds United.
But Howe's tactics are working as Newcastle are competing for European qualification while also having the chance to end a 54-year major trophy drought against the Red Devils.
Trippier is confused over the criticism his team is receiving, telling reporters: "I love it. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
"But I have experienced it a lot in Spain. It's about knowing when to slow a game down. If the opposition are having more of the ball and are on top, of course you've got to kill the game. You're not going to take a quick throw-in and say, 'Carry on'. You have to manage the game.
"Some teams are not happy with us this season, but it's about being clever in that moment, about using your experience. Opposition fans are not going to like it either, because it's against their team. But as a neutral, I think it's good to see. I don't see why everyone's kicking off about it, it's good!"
Asked whether Newcastle plan to use the same tactics at Wembley, Trippier replied: "Of course we will.
"You've got to have that mentality. If you want to win, if you want to be successful, you have to be cute in every single game.
"You look at teams like Real Madrid and how successful they have been, and they've had players like Sergio Ramos, Marcelo, and they were the best at it. If you want to be successful, you have to manage the game well, and at the right time."

[StonyFox]

Until a stop clock method is introduced its always going to happen, and will get worse. The ref can't book someone for faking an injury as he has no way of proving it. And the head injury rules means that if any team wants to stop the game, they just need to go down holding their head. It's getting farcical. 

 

Introducing two 30 minute halves where the clock stops whenever the ball is not in play will make time wasting pointless. Yes teams can still break up play and disrupt the oppositions rhythm, but not continually fake injuries or kick the ball away or take ages in set pieces to run the clock down.

 

Whilst it's still in refs hands and teams can exploit it, they will continue to do so. The lack of football played in the last 20 minutes yesterday was embarrassing.

[Captain...]

3 hours ago, StonyFox said:

Until a stop clock method is introduced its always going to happen, and will get worse. The ref can't book someone for faking an injury as he has no way of proving it. And the head injury rules means that if any team wants to stop the game, they just need to go down holding their head. It's getting farcical. 

 

Introducing two 30 minute halves where the clock stops whenever the ball is not in play will make time wasting pointless. Yes teams can still break up play and disrupt the oppositions rhythm, but not continually fake injuries or kick the ball away or take ages in set pieces to run the clock down.

 

Whilst it's still in refs hands and teams can exploit it, they will continue to do so. The lack of football played in the last 20 minutes yesterday was embarrassing.

It's been the same conversation for years, the powers that be are just not interested in tackling "game management" or "shithousery" I don't know if they feel it makes for good controversy to keep people talking or that they just don't care. The brand is the most successful in the world doesn't matter if those in the stadiums are bored and frustrated, those watching at home can play on their phones and bet on other games.

 

The methods for tackling time wasting are not rocket surgery they just need some balls to enforce.

[Spiritwalker]

11 hours ago, Raj said:

Im in a minority here( in more  ways than one!) But i like shithousery.

If we were in positions like that I would want us to do it.

Pit we dont have the players or get into them wi ning positions.

Robbie Savage was the master of shithousery.

 

Watching grown men rolling around pretending that they’re hurt is not my idea of entertainment,

if it was I would go to the theatre or watch some wrestling. The Fulham and Arsenal games have

been an absolute piss take.

[davieG]

1 hour ago, Captain... said:

It's been the same conversation for years, the powers that be are just not interested in tackling "game management" or "shithousery" I don't know if they feel it makes for good controversy to keep people talking or that they just don't care. The brand is the most successful in the world doesn't matter if those in the stadiums are bored and frustrated, those watching at home can play on their phones and bet on other games.

 

The methods for tackling time wasting are not rocket surgery they just need some balls to enforce.

They’re probably happy with all the VAR controversy as well. It all seems to get more media coverage than the good play in matches. 

[Foxdiamond]

When you know players in the past have suffered dementia and early death it is despicable to feign head injury. Perhaps football needs to adopt something similar to Rugby where players have to go off for assessment with temporary subs but the clocked stopped. 

[fazzyfox]

Re Trippiers comments, “I don’t see why everyone’s against it”, when people are paying hard earned money to watch live or on TV and find a team frightened of the ball being in play. Who has ever heard of a highlights DVD of goalkeepers setting then resetting their goal kicks, centre halves going over to take a throw, shaping to throw it then shaking their heads, dropping it and waiting for the full back to come over and bounce it a few times before walking up and down the line with it to purposely trigger more time wasted? It is turning and will turn people off the sport, it shortchanged the people watching as the ball is in play less and the feigning head injuries is taking sick advantage of a logical necessity which I pray has no “ cry wolf” conclusion one day.
Even if the officials were stronger and added more of the time back on, it doesn’t fully address the problem, as Trippier says it’s about breaking the rhythm and impetus of the opposition.

[Supergray22]

1 hour ago, Spiritwalker said:

Watching grown men rolling around pretending that they’re hurt is not my idea of entertainment,

if it was I would go to the theatre or watch some wrestling. The Fulham and Arsenal games have

been an absolute piss take.

Yeah me too. I pay to watch football not grown men acting like that. I’d rather we kept pushing on to get a goal. 

[adam]

4 hours ago, Spiritwalker said:

Watching grown men rolling around pretending that they’re hurt is not my idea of entertainment,

if it was I would go to the theatre or watch some wrestling. The Fulham and Arsenal games have

been an absolute piss take.

Exactly this. Its getting difficult to watch. 90 minutes of players pretending to be Injured is no fun.

Constantly watching players cheat and waste time is infuriating.

[Arkie Bennett]

9 hours ago, Spiritwalker said:

Watching grown men rolling around pretending that they’re hurt is not my idea of entertainment,

if it was I would go to the theatre or watch some wrestling. The Fulham and Arsenal games have

been an absolute piss take.

I've been saying for some time that premier league football is getting more like the wrestling, with all the fake injuries, the timewasting, and the hyped up controversy. The main difference is that wrestling is fixed. Or is it a difference? When teams aren't making many/any attempts to score it makes you wonder.