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Set Pieces

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I see Arsenal have a set pieces coach and it’s paying dividends this season with 46% of their goals coming from set pieces. 
 

Do we have a set pieces coach and if not why not because it’s obviously an area we have needed to improve in for a few seasons now attacking and defending. 

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5 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

It's one of his trusted assistants I believe, not a " specialist " whose entire remit and expertise is set pieces. 

 

1 minute ago, Fox1980 said:

Why would we not try and get a specialist in, it baffles me tbh.

What he said read like it was a specialist and new, as he talks like the input was new. 

 

Rodgers says City currently have a set piece coach, after criticism of that area of their play. "They gave us some great input into the offensive and defensive side of it. I'm in favour of specialist coaches, and it's something we currently do here at the club."

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1 minute ago, Babylon said:

 

What he said read like it was a specialist and new, as he talks like the input was new. 

 

Rodgers says City currently have a set piece coach, after criticism of that area of their play. "They gave us some great input into the offensive and defensive side of it. I'm in favour of specialist coaches, and it's something we currently do here at the club."

....is he playing fast and loose with this question!!!

Why answer in the past tense "..they gave us some great input..., as opposed to "...they give us some great input....". Hard to believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

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12 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....is he playing fast and loose with this question!!!

Why answer in the past tense "..they gave us some great input..., as opposed to "...they give us some great input....". Hard to believe a word that comes out of his mouth.

Because they aren't full time? And were specifically brought in for a set period of time (could be a week, two weeks, a month) and that time is up for the moment. 

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1 minute ago, Babylon said:

Because they aren't full time? And were specifically brought in for a set period of time (could be a week, two weeks, a month) and that time is up for the moment. 

....it was noticeable when Bertrand started there appeared to be a focus on set piece free kicks!!!

I did get the feeling that it was being led by Bertrand himself as previously there were no sign of this. We have now reverted back to our usual style where it appears no one has ever encountered any instructions in carrying out planned defensive or offensive set pieces.

  How can a team with our skillset have so little knowledge or ability to instigate any quality set pieces. Corner kicks going near post for years, yet no one has the sense to attack the near post even if the corner was not scheduled to go there.

  Very much noticed that their was a change in corner technique, with short corners being taken after extensive chatter on this forum, it just came across as strange that they finally took the initiative to change what they previously did, which was giving little if any success.

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1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....it was noticeable when Bertrand started there appeared to be a focus on set piece free kicks!!!

I did get the feeling that it was being led by Bertrand himself as previously there were no sign of this. We have now reverted back to our usual style where it appears no one has ever encountered any instructions in carrying out planned defensive or offensive set pieces.

  How can a team with our skillset have so little knowledge or ability to instigate any quality set pieces. Corner kicks going near post for years, yet no one has the sense to attack the near post even if the corner was not scheduled to go there.

  Very much noticed that their was a change in corner technique, with short corners being taken after extensive chatter on this forum, it just came across as strange that they finally took the initiative to change what they previously did, which was giving little if any success.

Our defensive ones will continue to be a shit show until we start man marking. The idea of putting all your best headers basically in a line on the 6 yard line, means any other team will just pull their best headers out and let them attack the ball in, only challenged by the likes of Barnes, who are tasked of picking up the men and not the space (oh and we're always 4v3 in those situations). 

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1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said:

  How can a team with our skillset have so little knowledge or ability to instigate any quality set pieces. Corner kicks going near post for years, yet no one has the sense to attack the near post even if the corner was not scheduled to go there.

  Very much noticed that their was a change in corner technique, with short corners being taken after extensive chatter on this forum, it just came across as strange that they finally took the initiative to change what they previously did, which was giving little if any success.

I was thinking about corners the other day - we seem to take near post corners when we are attacking to little effect - but in training, won't they be practicing against our own defenders? And we know we can't defend near post corners for toffee. So maybe they spend all week practicing near post attacking corners and scoring, so are convinced we are shit hot at them, then against competent defences they don't work lol

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2 hours ago, Babylon said:

 

What he said read like it was a specialist and new, as he talks like the input was new. 

 

Rodgers says City currently have a set piece coach, after criticism of that area of their play. "They gave us some great input into the offensive and defensive side of it. I'm in favour of specialist coaches, and it's something we currently do here at the club."

If it's Kolo Toure, the only box he seems a specialist in currently is the cream cake box! 🤣

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"Ok lads, so we're defending this corner... The idea here is that we head the ball first" 

 

"So this is what we call an "attacking corner," ideally we need to kick the ball OVER the first man there" 

 

The thing is, it's not just this season... It's been happening for 3-4 seasons now. We've been absolutely woeful at both ends of the pitch. Like, one of the worst teams in the league bad. 

 

The fact it's gone on for so long surely means the manager / coaches either 1. Are too stubborn to adapt their approach or 2. Don't know how to fix it. 

 

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I don’t think I will ever rate zonal marking. It only works for sides that have 6/7 solid headers of the ball. Otherwise you always have a week spot... we have plenty of them. 
 

Not only that, the blockers role is going to lead to penalty’s. I think it was lookman in the last game and you could see that he was on thin ice with the ref 

 

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I thought arsenal played the ball out well from the back and when they couldn't they split the leicester defence by having 2 players go wide on each side leaving aubameyang 1 v 1 in the middle. This led to evans being lucky not to get a red card when he was clean through. What I'm trying to say is we need some imagination with our play not just back and forth across the back and no noticeable ideas both when attacking corners and defending them. This needs a specialist coach!

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1 hour ago, orangecity23 said:

I was thinking about corners the other day - we seem to take near post corners when we are attacking to little effect - but in training, won't they be practicing against our own defenders? And we know we can't defend near post corners for toffee. So maybe they spend all week practicing near post attacking corners and scoring, so are convinced we are shit hot at them, then against competent defences they don't work lol

...the reason is because our deliveries are so poor!!!

The fact that the ball goes to the near post is not planned, it is just poor execution. As I have said before, I have not seen one post which has praised Perez on the near post flick on leading to Amartey's goal. For some reason he chose to attack that area at that time which brought the fantastic outcome of a goal from a corner. I will now be excited to see Perez's name on the team sheet, knowing that when we get our copious corners, someone will have the sense to attempt to get to the ball first and making the opponents life difficulty as previously that was never a situation anyone of us could envisage.

  If there is one thing that grates, it is that no one on the pitch, has anything about them, where independent thought comes to the fore.

 

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I'm his biggest fan, but i suspect the problem is schmeichel. 

 

If we take a corner and it goes into the six yard box, the opposing keeper gobbles it up. If it goes in our six yard box, it's almost always a goal or a glaring miss. The way the defenders line up shows that they HAVE been coached. 

 

As for offensively, we've been a hair's breadth away from 2 at Brighton, 1 at Leeds, 2 sitters missed from Perez and Vestergaard at Legia plus Amartey v Moscow, Cags and Daka v Man U, 

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It does seem mad that we wouldn’t. Today’s game is so so far advanced from what it was 20 years ago and there should be no side of the game we aren’t focussing on. One of the biggest mistakes we ever made in my opinion was getting rid of the psychologist after we won the league. I know there are some people that think football has become over complicated and we should just play four four fvcking two and stick a big man up front but we’d be crazy not to try and seek advantages in every department possible, no matter how small. X 

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1 minute ago, RumbleFox said:

It does seem mad that we wouldn’t. Today’s game is so so far advanced from what it was 20 years ago and there should be no side of the game we aren’t focussing on. One of the biggest mistakes we ever made in my opinion was getting rid of the psychologist after we won the league. I know there are some people that think football has become over complicated and we should just play four four fvcking two and stick a big man up front but we’d be crazy not to try and seek advantages in every department possible, no matter how small. X 

Quite, as Dave Brailsford said decades ago, at top level sport, it’s all about marginal gains

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