Set Pieces

[Mike Oxlong]

Don’t recognise him. Looks mildly Svenish 

 

[Fox1980]

51 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

It does seem mad that we wouldn’t. Today’s game is so so far advanced from what it was 20 years ago and there should be no side of the game we aren’t focussing on. One of the biggest mistakes we ever made in my opinion was getting rid of the psychologist after we won the league. I know there are some people that think football has become over complicated and we should just play four four fvcking two and stick a big man up front but we’d be crazy not to try and seek advantages in every department possible, no matter how small. X 

Totally agree we should be looking at everything, it’s the fine margins that win games. What’s the point in having a state of the art training ground but not getting the right coaches in to make it happen 

[JJD_LCFC]

As a team we have been poor at set pieces for a long time now. I am not sure how much this one is on Rodgers tactics at all, Kasper conceded against Scotland from a set piece and there were not 2 players on the posts, this one could be Kasper preferring not to have players on the posts. With all of the analysis going on in football now, surely they can see Brentford and Arsenals goals, and realise we should have a man on each post. We have 11 men back for corners anyway, never leave room to counter attack from a corner. surely 2 could go on the posts. Since MON days we have been poor at set plays. 

[Stadt]

We’re partnered with StatsBomb who provide setpiece courses. Our head of analytics was formerly of Statsbomb. We have a team of analysts who will know it’s a huge problem.

 

So why do we persist with our current scheme? Hubris?

 

With attacking corners we don’t play to our strengths, Evans/Amartey/Soyuncu aren’t great at attacking the ball yet we try to have them score at the front post too often.

 

We’d be better creating mismatches with the opposition. We should try and isolate Vardy against a similar or smaller opposition player and have him attack the ball instead.

 

We’re dreadful at picking up the second ball too. Watch Atlético Madrid from corners next time you see them, they pick loose balls up more often than not because they’re well set up to do so. We end up going back to our own goal, or even conceding a chance because we’re so bad at corners.

[Scotch]

During the Leeds game, I was 100% certain that we were conceding a penalty from a corner. 

 

Earlier in the game  Phillips was having success from making that near post run at corners so we started handling it by essentially punching him in the face any time he even thought about making a forward movement.

 

It was effective but we were playing with fire. A sneakier player like maybe Bruno Fernández would have made sure the ref was looking at that and would have exploited it  

[sacreblueits442]

33 minutes ago, Stadt said:

With attacking corners we don’t play to our strengths, Evans/Amartey/Soyuncu aren’t great at attacking the ball yet we try to have them score at the front post too often.

...the ball never gets to them, it is always cleared by the opposition at the near post...!!!

[MalletFox]

4 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...the ball never gets to them, it is always cleared by the opposition at the near post...!!!

We actually put a few decent corners in against Arsenal and Gabriel ate every single one up! We are generally poor at attacking the ball when decent delivery comes in (which is hit and miss at the best of times).

[MalletFox]

This is the part of our game which is a major cause for concern for me on Saturday. Rudiger scored twice in a game down here from set pieces a couple seasons back (I think), and I fancy Chelsea to be very dangerous from set pieces on Saturday.

[adejo92]

Our set pieces are hideous.

 

Defensively, we have Vestergaard, and Soyunchu, who must be about 11ft but completely incapable of winning a header.

 

Offensively, we have JM10 - Someone who seems to base his entire life (and Tattoos) around David Beckham but can't actually clear the first man!

 

The amount of goal's we have conceded needlessly from set pieces is bad enough, but consider how many we could have gained as well!

Edited 17 November 2021 by adejo92

[Ross 'LCFC' Turner]

Whilst not beating the first man is infuriating for everyone (myself included) I think making that near post run and first contact is something Rodgers and / or the “set piece coach” is drilling into the players.
 

After the Arsenal game he said “It’s a constant thing. If you analyse the Premier League, there’s a lot of set-pieces going in from the front post area. It’s not just us, it’s other teams.”

 

Since that interview, we scored against Moscow from a near post flick (Perez to Amartey) & at Leeds (Vardy to Lookman for the disallowed goal), 2 in 2! 
 

Defending corners though frightens the life out of me and it feels like we are going to concede from everyone. Our better headers of the ball don’t have a running jump and the “blockers” are running the risk of giving away a penalty every time, it’s car crash! 

[Ric Flair]

19 minutes ago, Ross 'LCFC' Turner said:

Whilst not beating the first man is infuriating for everyone (myself included) I think making that near post run and first contact is something Rodgers and / or the “set piece coach” is drilling into the players.
 

After the Arsenal game he said “It’s a constant thing. If you analyse the Premier League, there’s a lot of set-pieces going in from the front post area. It’s not just us, it’s other teams.”

 

Since that interview, we scored against Moscow from a near post flick (Perez to Amartey) & at Leeds (Vardy to Lookman for the disallowed goal), 2 in 2! 
 

Defending corners though frightens the life out of me and it feels like we are going to concede from everyone. Our better headers of the ball don’t have a running jump and the “blockers” are running the risk of giving away a penalty every time, it’s car crash! 

Yeah I said this a few weeks ago, we are getting better at attacking set pieces. Some of it is from flick ons or 2nd phase attacks but we are improving after being an outright disgrace for the best part of a year at the back end of 2019/20 through to the majority of 2020/21. Defensively we are getting worse though and we're never that solid except for the first few months of Rodgers being here.

[sacreblueits442]

7 minutes ago, Ross 'LCFC' Turner said:

Whilst not beating the first man is infuriating for everyone (myself included) I think making that near post run and first contact is something Rodgers and / or the “set piece coach” is drilling into the players.
 

After the Arsenal game he said “It’s a constant thing. If you analyse the Premier League, there’s a lot of set-pieces going in from the front post area. It’s not just us, it’s other teams.”

 

Since that interview, we scored against Moscow from a near post flick (Perez to Amartey) & at Leeds (Vardy to Lookman for the disallowed goal), 2 in 2! 
 

Defending corners though frightens the life out of me and it feels like we are going to concede from everyone. Our better headers of the ball don’t have a running jump and the “blockers” are running the risk of giving away a penalty every time, it’s car crash! 

.....we have been talking about this for a long time, he only notices this now and attempts to solve the problem!!!

Last season we had this same topic, and I said at the time, we need to get someone to be at the near post for our corners, it is not revolutionary, it is a good basic ploy.,,

This is why he is not going to be up there with the best, there is too much basic that he doesn't see until someone points it out to him. Perhaps a good idea for him would be to watch the game from the stand as opposed to ground level, he might get a better perspective.

[sacreblueits442]

6 hours ago, RoboFox said:

"Ok lads, so we're defending this corner... The idea here is that we head the ball first" 

 

"So this is what we call an "attacking corner," ideally we need to kick the ball OVER the first man there" 

 

The thing is, it's not just this season... It's been happening for 3-4 seasons now. We've been absolutely woeful at both ends of the pitch. Like, one of the worst teams in the league bad. 

 

The fact it's gone on for so long surely means the manager / coaches either 1. Are too stubborn to adapt their approach or 2. Don't know how to fix it. 

 

...this...!!!

[Vardinio'sCat]

I think heading should be banned, and then we are sorted.

[Deeg67]

14 hours ago, Fox1980 said:

Why would we not try and get a specialist in, it baffles me tbh.

Employing any full-time specialist coach would be an admission that someone is smarter about something than Brendan, and he doesn’t work that way.

[dayday]

For a start It doesn’t help having 11 players in the box, becomes to congested and when or if you head it out it goes straight back to them, if 2 of your own players stand out of the box, that straight away pulls 3 or 4 of theres, it makes so much logic

 

Also another bad sign is we’re pretty much static when corners come in, the oppo then get a jump on you as they’re moving.

 

As mentioned we also need players on each post, the amount of goals that teams score is often caused by not having that player at the post, how often do you say if only we had player at the far post.

[Fox1980]

Eat… Sleep… Repeat 

[Nod.E]

You can't have a passive keeper without at least one aerially dominant centre half. 

 

However, in the meantime why not pay a non league club that is known for set piece goals to come and train with the team. 

 

Spend one day each week for a month doing nothing but set pieces. 

 

Train harder than reality and reality becomes easier.

[Nod.E]

Embarrassing

[moore_94]

It is genuinely an absolute joke.

[Shane]

Commentator got it spot on:

 

A corner is as good as a goal against Leicester.

[chadlcfc2]

What the **** is happening.

At set pieces we are clueless.

Basically 4 goals in the last 2 games conceded from set pieces and not clearing our lines.


So so so so so bad
 

[BrokenRecord]

How long can this go on? Been a serious issue for Rodgers' tenure. How can he keep letting this happen season after season. Are the board not concerned? No desire to go out and hire a dedicated set piece coach. I know Rodgers said we have one, but he's clearly jot earning his money. 

[foxfanazer]

No ****er is accountable at this club. Even the fans make excuses for people

[KFS]

I want ****ing answers to this. Hold an open training session just on set pieces and have us watch at the ground. ****ing useless *****