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Southampton 2-2 LCFC - Post Match Thread

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51 minutes ago, Pick Good Name Later said:

Interesting. Out of curiosity, why would the relegation zone by your tipping point?

Because thats where if we go on a bad run for 10 games we could slide into a bad situation. Thats where sacking Rodgers and paying compensation makes finacial sense since risking going down costs us way more and players would be much more likely to want to leave even if we did narrowly escape a relegation battle.

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2 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

We're just not addressing our deficiencies. I said it last night but it's pure incompetence from Brendan and our coaching team

Players need to take some responsibility, take the second goal. You have three international players ball watching failing to pick up Che Adams or deal with the cross.

 

It can't all be down to the manager...........

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7 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

Players need to take some responsibility, take the second goal. You have three international players ball watching failing to pick up Che Adams or deal with the cross.

 

It can't all be down to the manager...........

No of course not but he has to take the lion share. We start games looking as if we don't even know what sport we're meant to be playing. We barely string 3 passes together and make the most basic of mistakes time and time again. Individual errors can't always be the managers fault but these are repeated collective errors 

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3 hours ago, Pick Good Name Later said:

We made a very average Southampton team look far better than what they are last night. 

 

Not going to delve into the obvious. Same problems every week. Nothing changes.

 

For those who are still defending Rodgers. Defending the team. Stating this is a bad patch and we'll come out the other side. Rodgers is the best man for the job. No better out there. Etc etc..

 

My question.

 

What is the cut off point for you all? When does this situation not become acceptable? When is enough, enough? When does Rodgers become indefensible? 

 

 

It is not about defending the team or the manager. It is about having a balanced view of the situation.  

 

At the moment, we are still in a position to have a positive season, Qtr-final of the league cup, one game away from being in the last 32 of the Europa League and within striking distance of the top 6. 

 

Have performances been great? No, have they been awful? No. Do we need to get better and improve? Yes! 

 

I would be more critical if we didn't have 6 months of niggly injuries. 


Out of our best 11, only Kasper has not had an injury in that time. 

 

Flipping your question on the head, what would you see as a satisfactory/successful season.

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I'm not a regular poster on here, but here's my tuppence worth...

 

The first half last night was our worst performance for some time, and I'd include the second half at Palace in that. But it wasn't out of character and included the same issues that have been happening for months - slow start, inability to play out from the back, inability to defend set pieces, poor communication and positional awareness amongst defenders, sloppy and inaccurate passing, the list goes on. We even struggle with working throw-ins to a player in space. Yes, lots of this is down to the players, but correcting or changing it has to be down to the manager, when the problems have been going on for so long, as does selection - picking Ndidi and Soumare together, ignoring Kelechi...

 

Two consecutive 5th spots were not a fluke and we have the squad, despite injuries, capable of building on that. As fans, we deserve better than to try to salvage positives from a run of poor performances, but that's where we are it seems. I have defended Rodgers - injuries, thin squad compared to the big boys, etc - but we are not competing with the big boys anymore and are struggling against teams who would love some of our players. He needs to go, maybe in the new year - I hope he can prove me wrong.

 

A Liverpool supporting friend laughed when we appointed him and told me to wait until he started dabbling in the transfer market...

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3 hours ago, escape2victory said:

I’d say around this time next season if still around mid/lower table.

 

Ok this season so far has been poor, doesn’t look like we will have the consistency to really climb the league, and we may end up 11th-15th, not great, but it can happen.

 

After finishing 5th last 2 years and winning the FA cup, I think Rodgers deserves the summer to have a little rebuild, Tielemans probably leaving and might be one or two more he wants out, and to rebuild an exciting hungry team again. If after that, we are still bottom half and showing the same inconsistencies next season, then I think it’s reasonable to say his time is up.

Honestly would not trust Rodgers with a rebuild, look at the state he left Celtic in, look at the state he left liverpool in after his post-suarez rebuild. Rodgers is a manager who comes in and gets results from talented players for a few seasons. He does not have a history of succesfully building sides up from the ground, it would be a mistake if we give him the resources to try and build his own side. I just dont think he has the vision to be a long term manager.

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22 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

Honestly would not trust Rodgers with a rebuild, look at the state he left Celtic in, look at the state he left liverpool in after his post-suarez rebuild. Rodgers is a manager who comes in and gets results from talented players for a few seasons. He does not have a history of succesfully building sides up from the ground, it would be a mistake if we give him the resources to try and build his own side. I just dont think he has the vision to be a long term manager.

Yeah interesting and fair observation.

 

I suppose its more of a mini rather than major rebuild. The nucleus of the side is there. Replacing Tielemans and bringing in a quality winger would be the main ones for me, possibly a full back if sell Ricardo 

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8 hours ago, The Year Of The Fox said:

KDH changed the game last night, right from the start of the second half. We clearly had the upper hand and were all over Saints.

 

What nullified us was making another sub Lookman/Perez too soon after

The Perez sub didn't nullify is, we had 3 great chances from Barnes and Vardy to be ahead. The Daka sub didn't particularly work out though, Southampton seemed to end the game much better.

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44 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

No of course not but he has to take the lion share. We start games looking as if we don't even know what sport we're meant to be playing. We barely string 3 passes together and make the most basic of mistakes time and time again. Individual errors can't always be the managers fault but these are repeated collective errors 

but why? Even Maddison said in his post match interview that they were annoyed that even after training specifically on set pieces for over an hour the day before they conceaded, he has a specialist defensive coach that should take that training and then if the players do not learn from that how much more can they do? We know they can defend, but at the moment they just keep switching off and being a bit "half arsed"

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30 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

Honestly would not trust Rodgers with a rebuild, look at the state he left Celtic in, look at the state he left liverpool in after his post-suarez rebuild. Rodgers is a manager who comes in and gets results from talented players for a few seasons. He does not have a history of succesfully building sides up from the ground, it would be a mistake if we give him the resources to try and build his own side. I just dont think he has the vision to be a long term manager.

It won't be Rodgers making the signings, just as it wasn't Puel making the majority of the excellent signings that Rodgers inherited.

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3 minutes ago, foxfanazer said:

No of course not but he has to take the lion share. We start games looking as if we don't even know what sport we're meant to be playing. We barely string 3 passes together and make the most basic of mistakes time and time again. Individual errors can't always be the managers fault but these are repeated collective errors 

Collective errors but Rodgers should take the lions share. OK. We know BR is aware of our frailties in defense, if nothing else it's the question post match reporters are badgering him about. So do you think he's purposefully coaching them wrong? Do you think the team (but really just the CDs) has lost faith in him? 

 

Our problem is in defense. People can moan about not stringing 3 passes together but we've scored 22 goals so far this season. You'd have to jump up to WH (4th) to get a comparable GF. For a team that's boring, doesn't attack and can't pass we seemingly fluke a bunch of goals. It's the TWENTY FIVE goals conceded that's dragging us down. That defensive problem will also unquestionably effect the rest of the team (and also how BR sets the team up). It will bleed confidence from the creative players and players in midfield. They'll think twice before making a tricky pass or cross in fear of losing the ball and instead play the safe pass. At this level it's all marginal and it all adds up. 

 

I have zero clue what's going on in defense. Obviously JJ, Fafana and Periera are out. They're three first team players. But Soy makes so many mistakes. Thomas is great imo and has stepped up but he gets isolated so often against good experienced players. Evans looks to be making the right gestures and demands but we don't look organized. I genuinely think Evans's injury puts a kink in his career and we need to buy a player to lead/organize our defense. Sooner is better than later. 

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4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

It won't be Rodgers making the signings, just as it wasn't Puel making the majority of the excellent signings that Rodgers inherited.

 

Puel didn't have Congerton with his feet under the table, which we have now because of Rodgers.

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1 hour ago, hejammy said:

What's weird about this? Players who used to play together having a catch up? It would be weird if he did it on the pitch whilst playing but otherwise not sure why this is strange to you?

Wasn't so much the fact he was doing it, it was more the length of time. Can't put my finger on it, just looked odd.

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33 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

It is not about defending the team or the manager. It is about having a balanced view of the situation.  

 

At the moment, we are still in a position to have a positive season, Qtr-final of the league cup, one game away from being in the last 32 of the Europa League and within striking distance of the top 6. 

 

Have performances been great? No, have they been awful? No. Do we need to get better and improve? Yes! 

 

I would be more critical if we didn't have 6 months of niggly injuries. 


Out of our best 11, only Kasper has not had an injury in that time. 

 

Flipping your question on the head, what would you see as a satisfactory/successful season.

I do see your perspective on it all. Equally, I do agree with you on the notion that we are still in a position to have a positive season. Can't disagree on this at all. That said, I see that as more luck than judgement. It's not the teams performances that have engineered the position to still have a decent season, its that the teams around us are very much in a similar mould of inconsistency. I would say we're consistent, but consistently below our best. I've mentioned this before, but outside of Utd, we've been well below our best all season. Only getting results based on a moment of individual brilliance, or mistakes, or other teams simply not having the quality that we have at our disposal.  

 

The injury debate is a weird one. There hasn't been a team in the top flight that haven't had injuries to key players throughout the season. I wouldn't say we're any different to those around us in this respect. I don't believe for a moment we have been significantly impacted in such a manner to excuse the performances. Pre season there was optimism that we were going into this campaign having a far stronger squad. Without knowing the goings on behind the scenes, even when little Wes was injured, we still had resource to backfill. Again subjective, but was that money spent wisely? Not for me. 

 

A successful season. The subjective that I would mark as a success would be to play with an identity again. Watching us each week leaves me asking the same questions. To play with balance. To show improvements in the areas we're clearly quite floored in. To not come into a second half seeing a change of system/personnel due to the first half being inept. I suppose, the usual arguments that you see on here week in week out at the moment. 

 

Objectively - 5th. Specific, yes. Chelsea/City/Pool/even Utd have far far superior squads than us. Different league. We have everything in place to be the best of the rest. Certainly whilst the other two London clubs are in a state of transition/not knowing their head from their arse. Whilst this takes it back to your point that we're still within a shout of this. We are. But we look a million miles away from being the best of the rest. I can't see this changing under Rodgers either.  

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