Charles De Ketelaere

[Pliskin]

5 hours ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

dodged a bullet here, kids to lightweight for the Prem, like most of our team.

Classic post of someone who’s never actually seen him play. 

[Finnegan]

22 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Classic post of someone who’s never actually seen him play. 

 

It's stupid even if you have. 

 

Madders is literally our player of the year, you don't get much more lightweight than that. 

 

 

[Reginaldo]

Players linked Kone, Colwill, Garner, Asllani, Saliba and CDK are all U21, pointing to the fact it’s hard to shift (without big losses) players or unwilling to shift players before end of contract e.g. Sharky. Little Wes is no longer an U21 next season.

Edited 31 May 2022 by Reginaldo

[Pliskin]

3 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

It's stupid even if you have. 

 

Madders is literally our player of the year, you don't get much more lightweight than that. 

 

 

Mahrez and Izzet…. Two of our finest players, both who were skinnier than a matchstick! 

[SafewayFox]

45 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Classic post of someone who’s never actually seen him play. 

Which may be the case but most if not all posters on here have bemoaned our lack of physicality.

 

So maybe, just maybe that’s what the original poster was implying.

 

Adding another talented but non physical player to our ranks.

 

For the record, as my previous posts state for a straight replacement for Kelechi it’s a no brainer.

 

However, it would be nice if Rodgers and co. do identify a bit of steel in our other signings.

[JimJams]

Tbf Man City do fine with forwards that weigh less than a bag of sugar. Just need the physicality at the defensive end really.

[Finnegan]

16 minutes ago, SafewayFox said:

Which may be the case but most if not all posters on here have bemoaned our lack of physicality.

 

So maybe, just maybe that’s what the original poster was implying.

 

Adding another talented but non physical player to our ranks.

 

For the record, as my previous posts state for a straight replacement for Kelechi it’s a no brainer.

 

However, it would be nice if Rodgers and co. do identify a bit of steel in our other signings.

 

Yes but CDK isn't a weakling. He's a pretty strong kid to be honest who's quite good at holding the ball up. 

 

He's a bit lanky yes but he's deceptively strong. 

 

Which is exactly why @Pliskin is accusing someone of judging him at a glance and not watching him. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

27 minutes ago, JimJams said:

Tbf Man City do fine with forwards that weigh less than a bag of sugar. Just need the physicality at the defensive end really.

It's ok to be lightweight if you're a world class player. If you're not and though and the ref isn't going to back you then you need done strength in the team. Which man city also have.

[K789]

Milan in for Renato Sanchez and botman now in a double deal from lille when you add in lang, they're spending! Can Milan afford him aswelll

 

 

[Dusty]

14 minutes ago, K789 said:

Milan in for Renato Sanchez and botman now in a double deal from lille when you add in lang, they're spending! Can Milan afford him aswelll

 

 

If they’re buying Sanches we should take Adli off them, would be a decent Youri replacement imo.

Edited 31 May 2022 by Dusty

[majaco]

I have never seen CDK play.

 

But I am certain having read through pages on this thread that I don't know of we should sign him.

 

I might need a break from Foxestalk.

[sacreblueits442]

8 hours ago, SafewayFox said:

I hope so mate.

 

Just how many times does Youri or even Madders have comments about their lack of pace?

 

Take Madders for example and England - the only thing that Grealish, Mount, ESR, Gallagher etc all have over him is that whilst they might not be rapid have that pace to beat a man.

 

Sadly Madders does not and it has been mentioned on here that it could hold Madders back, hence my fear for CDK.

...watching Maddison on his showreel it seemed that he would not be with us too long!!!

   His talent was so good we would be lucky to keep him at the end of the season with the big boys beating the doors down. It was noticeable for me, in his first home game that he was a bit slow in his actions and getting about the pitch.

  His recent form this season has shown that the issue no longer exists as he executes in a more purposeful way, basically knowing what he wants to do and getting on with it.

  With no hesitation or indecision  he seems to have managed to gain time for himself and stealing a few yards as well.

 

[Ric Flair]

46 minutes ago, Dusty said:

If they’re buying Sanches we should take Adli off them, would be a decent Youri replacement imo.

Adli is an interesting one. We've been linked to him and his brother before. I see Yacine more of a Maddison type midfielder than a Tielemans but he's got enough about him to play a slightly deeper playmaker role.

[Vindaloo FOX]

3 hours ago, Pliskin said:

Classic post of someone who’s never actually seen him play. 

Seen him play, thin lanky lad, reminds me of Rodney Trotter. He might be able to do it in Belgium but the Prem is another ball game..

 

2 hours ago, Finnegan said:

 

It's stupid even if you have. 

 

Madders is literally our player of the year, you don't get much more lightweight than that. 

 

 

It's fine having one or two show boating princesses in your team if they can deliver like Madders and Mahrez did.

 

But we got to many softies.

 

This tranfer window we need some ugly mean bastards, we need someone who will break some legs. 

 

Look at the differences KDH made this season when he broke into the team, we need more of that, mostly at CB and DM

 

Then get one quality CM midfielder like Kökçü.

 

And one skillful natural right winger.

 

 Bob's your uncle, there you have it.

 

This time next year we will be Champions.

[Finnegan]

6 minutes ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

This tranfer window we need some ugly mean bastards, we need someone who will break some legs.

 

What is this, 1980?

 

And even if we do "need" a tough bastard, would you not be looking at a centre back or defensive midfielder? 

 

Who the fvck signs an attacking midfielder to take bodies? 

 

🤷

[AjcW]

8 minutes ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

Seen him play, thin lanky lad, reminds me of Rodney Trotter. He might be able to do it in Belgium but the Prem is another ball game..

 

It's fine having one or two show boating princesses in your team if they can deliver like Madders and Mahrez did.

 

But we got to many softies.

 

This tranfer window we need some ugly mean bastards, we need someone who will break some legs. 

 

Look at the differences KDH made this season when he broke into the team, we need more of that, mostly at CB and DM

 

Then get one quality CM midfielder like Kökçü.

 

And one skillful natural right winger.

 

 Bob's your uncle, there you have it.

 

This time next year we will be Champions.

I've never known a post before that let me picture exactly what the poster looks like  

 

I reckon I could have a good crack at ID'ing you in a parade after that...

[Sankey93]

We should be all over Renato Sanches! 

[AjcW]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

Who the fvck signs an attacking midfielder to take bodies? 

 

🤷

[Dusty]

20 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Adli is an interesting one. We've been linked to him and his brother before. I see Yacine more of a Maddison type midfielder than a Tielemans but he's got enough about him to play a slightly deeper playmaker role.

Yeah I think he would work work in the 433 as an 8, probably better than madders or Tielemans would, but then would be left efficient than Tielemans in the 6 and madders in the 10. Seen some Bordeaux fans complain that he can be quite lazy too, doesn’t track runners etc so we could have the same problem we did with Soumare. On the ball tho, he seems really talented and could be a useful addition.

[Vindaloo FOX]

23 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

What is this, 1980?

 

And even if we do "need" a tough bastard, would you not be looking at a centre back or defensive midfielder? 

 

Who the fvck signs an attacking midfielder to take bodies? 

 

🤷

When I mean tough bastards, I'm talking CB and DM.

 

As i wrote below.

 

I don't think we need a attacking midfielder.

 

Right winger and a Youri replacement.

 

Then a few ugly bastards Wasilewski MRK 2 

 

 

 

 

[Pliskin]

7 minutes ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

When I mean tough bastards, I'm talking CB and DM.

 

As i wrote below.

 

I don't think we need a attacking midfielder.

 

Right winger and a Youri replacement.

 

Then a few ugly bastards Wasilewski MRK 2 

 

 

 

 

CDK will 100% be used as an inverted right forward. 
 

Brendan likes players who are flexible and not necessarily tied to one position. 
 

You look at JJ, Castagne and Perez to name a few you wouldn’t say that they’re a one position player. Sometimes it can appear to look like we’re shoehorning players into position but it’s the modern way of managing the game. 

[Finnegan]

40 minutes ago, Vindaloo FOX said:

 

I don't think we need a attacking midfielder.

 

We're creatively abysmal and we're about to lose one of our most influential play makers. CDK has fantastic stats for chance creation and key passes for a player his age. 

 

We are desperate for more of that in the squad. He's versatile enough to operate anywhere across the front four where we're crying out for more quality.

 

Yes we need a centre back, probably need more quality in the middle of the park as well to replace Youri. That's why multiple credible sources are claiming we're due a fairly busy summer. 

 

I'm really not sure why you're trying to pick fault with this signing other than just looking for something to argue about on the Internet. It looks pretty objectively smart. 

 

I'd love it if we signed a bit more pace in the form of a conventional and natural right winger as well as CDK but I don't see it as tactically compulsory. We've played by far our best football under Rodgers with a sort of "false 10" if you will sitting narrow off Vardy's right shoulder, tucked in with an overlapping right back. 

 

Perez and Madders have both shown a lot of competence doing that and if that's how Rodgers sees CDK playing then I can imagine that being successful, he's got all the attributes to be an upgrade to Perez and free Madders up to tuck back in to the middle where he thrived as a free 8 in 19/20.

 

If we can get Ndidi back to full fitness to cover the wide areas and give JJ, Castagne or Ricardo the freedom to really attack that right flank right down to the byline then that's where the width comes from on that flank, with Barnes and maybe Lookman stretching play down the left. 

 

I'd be happy enough with that. 

 

Edited 31 May 2022 by Finnegan

[Ric Flair]

10 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

Exactly how I see it going. This tactic also suits our left sided options, as Barnes/Lookman/JJ/Castagne can go inside or out and keep any oppositions right hand side guessing as to who to track, plus Thomas is also available to be a more conservative option if we solely rely on Barnes or Lookman to provide the width in some games.

I really hope not, he's played 12 games out of 130+ games on the right. I know we don't necessarily play with traditional wingers but one of the biggest weaknesses we've had is that cohesion on the right hand side between attacker and defender both going forward and when tracking back in defence.

 

Given our underlying stats last season for shots conceded and a distinct lack of movement I'm concerned about us putting together a team and system that won't be suitable again. 

 

Maybe we'll finally go 4-3-1-2 and do away with wingers but have enough flexibility for CDK if we signed him to drift and Maddison in behind to roam too and provide that support where necessary. If we got a mobile box to box CM to replace Tielemans such as Berge, Kokcu or Kone then I could see this working much better than trying to deploy CDK on the right.

[Finnegan]

2 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

really hope not, he's played 12 games out of 130+ games on the right.

 

Purely playing devil's advocate here (sincerely, I'd much rather we play a system with dynamic, conventional wide players who can beat their man and terrify defenders) - the same was said of Perez. We've repeatedly been told he was being played out of position, that his stats were underwhelming, that he didn't score or create enough. 

 

But he was a key component in our best run since winning the league and a team that was genuinely in a title race until late December 2019.

 

Foxestalk obsessed over his position, threw all sorts of pelters at Rodgers and acted smug whenever he got played centrally and seemed to get more involved in the game - regardless of how negatively it impacted the overall performance of the team. 

 

It's not the first time we've had an individual overly scrutinised out of context, Okazaki's impact was repeatedly marginalised even as we won the league because he was statistically abhorrent when hyper fixating on crude attacking stats. But we wouldn't have won the league without him. 

 

Listen, we don't know that we're evening signing CDK let alone how Rodgers plans to use him if we do, this is all wild speculation. It needn't particularly be a disaster if we have a vision for him that's atypical of how he's been utilised in his reasonably short career so far. 

 

Surely part of good scouting and coaching is recognising the raw attributes in a player and seeing the potential for a number of roles? As a youth footballer, Ricardo was a striker. Someone along the way looked at him and clearly saw a full back and what a stroke of genius that was. 

 

I understand the frustration of our habit of playing square pegs in round holes over the years but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case here. 

 

And it could all be pointless anyway, maybe we see him as a 9, or a left winger or - hell - maybe an 8? KDB was player on either wing and as a 10 when he was CDK's age and now he's considered one of the best centre mids of his generation. 

[Ric Flair]

10 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Purely playing devil's advocate here (sincerely, I'd much rather we play a system with dynamic, conventional wide players who can beat their man and terrify defenders) - the same was said of Perez. We've repeatedly been told he was being played out of position, that his stats were underwhelming, that he didn't score or create enough. 

 

But he was a key component in our best run since winning the league and a team that was genuinely in a title race until late December 2019.

 

Foxestalk obsessed over his position, threw all sorts of pelters at Rodgers and acted smug whenever he got played centrally and seemed to get more involved in the game - regardless of how negatively it impacted the overall performance of the team. 

 

It's not the first time we've had an individual overly scrutinised out of context, Okazaki's impact was repeatedly marginalised even as we won the league because he was statistically abhorrent when hyper fixating on crude attacking stats. But we wouldn't have won the league without him. 

 

Listen, we don't know that we're evening signing CDK let alone how Rodgers plans to use him if we do, this is all wild speculation. It needn't particularly be a disaster if we have a vision for him that's atypical of how he's been utilised in his reasonably short career so far. 

 

Surely part of good scouting and coaching is recognising the raw attributes in a player and seeing the potential for a number of roles? As a youth footballer, Ricardo was a striker. Someone along the way looked at him and clearly saw a full back and what a stroke of genius that was. 

 

I understand the frustration of our habit of playing square pegs in round holes over the years but that doesn't necessarily have to be the case here. 

 

And it could all be pointless anyway, maybe we see him as a 9, or a left winger or - hell - maybe an 8? KDB was player on either wing and as a 10 when he was CDK's age and now he's considered one of the best centre mids of his generation. 

You're absolutely right, however we've got these sorts of decisions wrong more often than we've got right and I'm concerned. It's partly why I think our recruitment in recent years is being considered poor. We're neither signing players in positions where they excel in nor are we creating a system where such players improve us collectively. 

 

I love the idea of a fluid front 3 and an energetic midfield behind them but the stats show we've nosedived off a cliff in our movement and pressing, tracking runners etc. There's surely reasons for this because as you say, that 2-3 month period in the 1st half of the 2019/20 season was electric football from us bar a few turgid displays and Perez did his job wonderfully. Perez has always been in the top percentiles for pressing and interceptions in the final 3rd, plus although he's not a traditional winger he has played a good chunk of his career as a right sided forward/midfielder. No other manager has yet viewed CDK as a right sided player and I've got my concerns.

 

Either we get better at being visionaries at this football club and the system we play evolves to suit these players or we need to recruit the best RW we can get, the best deep lying CM we can get, the best left footed CB we can get etc and stick to our best system of 4-1-4-1 / 4-2-3-1 with a high press but we did none of the above well last season and were caught in no man's land.