Popular Post Clever Fox Posted 8 July 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 8 July 2022 33 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said: I mostly agree, but I think there was a time about a couple of years ago when we weren't necessarily punching above our weight as our squad, at that particular point in time, was as good, if not better than many. It was then that we missed the boat through not 'refreshing' the squad, as we now seem to refer to it. This, understandably, was largely due, I think, to missing out on the status and extra revenue Champions League football would have afforded us. For two seasons that was a genuinely attainable goal with what we had together with the first half of the seasons performances and league positions we'd achieved. For me, the eventual failure to achieve top 4 was due to poor management on different levels, despite injuries and covid. Yes, we can look back in retrospect and be 'grateful' for an FA Cup and two 5th place finishes but for me, that's little team mentality and the sort of negative mantra Rodgers uses to cover up some of the persistent flaws he's had at three clubs now including his woeful expertise in Europe. These are controversial views I know and polarise us as a fan base. I really don't claim them to be right, it's just how I see it personally. Top, even if he wanted, and I don't necessarily think he does, will be ultimately aware of the financial cost of getting rid of Rodgers. He must surely also have his doubts now and be acutely mindful of the consequences of letting him loose with his choice of players in the transfer market compared to previous models of recruitment. Apart from his silver tongue, Rodgers has no previous record to speak of expertise wise to hang his coat on. There potentially could be a bit of an unseen and unmentioned stand off here and Rodgers has already lined up, what to the media, would sound like valid and plausible excuses if he fails, a media that is already institutionally bought in to the 'little club' rights, or not, to win things and their rightful place in the status quo. To them, 5th place was momentarily just about comfortable territory and despite any managerial mistakes, is something that little old Leicester City should be bloody well grateful for and should therefore realise and know their place in the hierarchy. I think we missed the opportunity to be better than that and secure several years of regular top 6 status if not a little bit higher on odd occasions. There's no doubt Brendan's failure to not bring in another CF in the Summer cost us our European cuo qualification. What was it 4 points the first season and 6 the next. Another CF like Ulloa and others could have won us those few points needed to qualify. I'm thinking of WH and Palace games where we were bullied into submission. Had we have taken Dawson when he was available for 3 million he would have even provided those winning points from CB. A great Manager makes sure he has the right mix in his squad and Brendan has failed to do that over a few seasons now. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Babylon Posted 8 July 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 8 July 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dames said: For someone with no relative experience he's done well at some aspects of the job but at the same time for someone with no relative experience he's also done badly at some aspects of the job. Its 50/50 I think but we are within the next year or 2 entering a phase that could well determine the future of the club. We are going to be losing a fair few players due to expiring contracts (their choice and ours) and we need to get the rebuild from that right. If it ends up being like last summer or the 16/17 summer we could find ourselves sliding down the table very quickly. I wouldn't argue about getting someone with a bit more experience in as there is still a naivety to a lot of our negotiations and decisions. We've already been through a rebuild with him as DOF and it worked out rather well. My concern is that we have a manager with too much "weight" that takes us away from what served us so well the first time. Rebuilds can be painful, we had to take a slump the last time we did one to change an ageing squad. Another fear is that we've keeping players in an attempt to compete and keep a manager happy, but losing out on maximising their value. Maddison is currently prime to case in on, two years left, coming off the back of his best season. We won't sell him, and in a year we're going to be in another Tielemans scenario. Previously we sold at the right time. Edited 8 July 2022 by Babylon 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Fox Posted 8 July 2022 Share Posted 8 July 2022 43 minutes ago, Finnegan said: I'm not sure if it's bollocks or not but someone pointed out on here we might have an option on the club's side to extend Madders' contract? If so less concerned. In either instance, we can't afford to lose both in the same window so it's straight up non negotiable. He's not going anywhere right now. Or we could say we will exercise the 1 year extension on same money or you can have another 4 year contract at x more per week and hope that entices him to extend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox1norfolk Posted 8 July 2022 Share Posted 8 July 2022 15 hours ago, volpeazzurro said: He arguably should be sitting on our bench let alone their's. And goodbye world cop squad ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozartfox Posted 8 July 2022 Share Posted 8 July 2022 3 hours ago, StinckleyFox said: I think people are looking past the fact that arsenal have the youngest average age in their starting 11. If youri was to go there now, in 2 years when they have more top flight experience and have grown together they will be a real top team. Players like martinelli, Saka, Smith-Rowe, Odegaard, Tomiyasu, Ramsdale, White these are all players that in 2-3 years will be levels above where they are now and currently would all be incredible additions to a team like ours. It really isnt a sideways move for Youri, it's a move that may see him in a similar league position this year but over the next few years they will be moving up the table. Sure they won't be competing with liverpool and city, but who will? Not sure about that Arsene. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyrobot Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 On 08/07/2022 at 11:40, StinckleyFox said: Sorry are we not allowed to appreciate any players unless they play for Leicester? The same Saka and Ramsdale who were two of their best players last year? I will admit I don't watch arsenal a great deal but the few times I watched them Ramsdale was incredible, most notably against us! Where have I said you can’t appreciate non-Leicester players? I think Arsenal get more credit than they deserve tbh. Ramsdale was the 3rd worst goalkeeper in The Premier League for goals prevented. Saka did alright but the stats don’t back up the level of hype he gets. 11 goals that’s all. They aren’t so way ahead of Leicester on the football pitch. How many current Arsenal players would you want in the Leicester team? Not many if the truth be told. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 Arsenal now apparently going after Paqueta from Lyon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozartfox Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 19 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Arsenal now apparently going after Paqueta from Lyon Looks their money box is running out and potentially losing Partey is going to hurt them. May be Youri is out of their price range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 2 minutes ago, mozartfox said: Looks their money box is running out and potentially losing Partey is going to hurt them. May be Youri is out of their price range. Paqueta is expected to cost more than it would for Tielemans so I don’t think it is a question of money But them seemingly shopping around for other players that would play the same kind of role as Tielemans is interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K789 Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 They want around ,50 mill for him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenom Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 Paqueta is not a Partey replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 Paqueta is more attacking than Tielemans IMO, I consider him more of a 10 than a box to box midfielder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 8 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Paqueta is more attacking than Tielemans IMO, I consider him more of a 10 than a box to box midfielder. He was a lot more attacking this season and further forward, but last season he was a bit more box to box/deeper When they already have Odegaard, Smith-Rowe, and now Vieira, I wouldn’t be surprised if they signed Paqueta if they played him in that “8” role 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 42 minutes ago, Ric Flair said: Paqueta is more attacking than Tielemans IMO, I consider him more of a 10 than a box to box midfielder. Youri is slow and not that physical. Not just my opinion by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanf0x Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 6 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said: Youri is slow and not that physical. Not just my opinion by the way. Gut feeling…will he stay or go?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Chocolate Teapot Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 Just now, alanf0x said: Gut feeling…will he stay or go?! Stay I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayfox26 Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 12 minutes ago, Chocolate Teapot said: Stay I reckon. Hope not unless he signs a new deal. Keeping him will prevent us from signing new players, which is fine if he signs a new deal as he won't need replacing, but if he doesn't and leaves on a free next year, then that seriously hurts our transfer plans for both this summer and next 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NasPb Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 6 minutes ago, jayfox26 said: Hope not unless he signs a new deal. Keeping him will prevent us from signing new players, which is fine if he signs a new deal as he won't need replacing, but if he doesn't and leaves on a free next year, then that seriously hurts our transfer plans for both this summer and next I also think him staying will cause chaos internally not because he's toxic but because his hearts set on other places which is fine. We all know he wants out. And we know Rodgers won't stop playing him. When it's time to go it's time to go. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayfox26 Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 2 minutes ago, NasPb said: I also think him staying will cause chaos internally not because he's toxic but because his hearts set on other places which is fine. We all know he wants out. And we know Rodgers won't stop playing him. When it's time to go it's time to go. I've no issue with him wanting to leave as such, for "champions league football" as he's said. However, it seems no champions league clubs are interested in him at the moment, possibly because his form is very inconsistent, especially last season. So that leaves him in limbo a little. Does he stick 2 fingers up to us and just follow the money and join a non champions league club like Arsenal or Newcastle or does he run his contract down (also sticking 2 fingers up to us) and have his pick of clubs next summer on a free, whilst also having a huge pay day or does he show a little respect to us and sign a new deal for an extra year or 2 and have a reasonable release clause inserted? I highly doubt he'll choose the last option. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheppyFox Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 No Vardy to keep bailing us out either before long. Just waiting for Brendan to sell Nacho and buy Danny Ings in his grand “squad strengthening rebuild”. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 9 July 2022 Share Posted 9 July 2022 1 hour ago, jayfox26 said: Hope not unless he signs a new deal. Keeping him will prevent us from signing new players, which is fine if he signs a new deal as he won't need replacing, but if he doesn't and leaves on a free next year, then that seriously hurts our transfer plans for both this summer and next ....let us just get used to the worst-case scenario, he does not extend his contract and leaves at the end of next season!!! We can't change any of this as whatever Youri wants is what is happening. By setting parameters we will have nothing to lose, £30m price tag, and the deal to be completed by the 15th of July. If they want him, come and get him, or they wait until next season to pick him up. If he wants to leave he needs to get a move on and forego any loyalty payments. All this impasse goes away and we stop this guessing game. We still hold his contract, we have to be brave enough to let him go for free to take any control of this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volpeazzurro Posted 10 July 2022 Share Posted 10 July 2022 4 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....let us just get used to the worst-case scenario, he does not extend his contract and leaves at the end of next season!!! We can't change any of this as whatever Youri wants is what is happening. By setting parameters we will have nothing to lose, £30m price tag, and the deal to be completed by the 15th of July. If they want him, come and get him, or they wait until next season to pick him up. If he wants to leave he needs to get a move on and forego any loyalty payments. All this impasse goes away and we stop this guessing game. We still hold his contract, we have to be brave enough to let him go for free to take any control of this. Absolutely agree and if he's forced to stay and either sulks or puts in less than 100%, bench him. I'd sooner us play a 3 without him or start blooding some of our younger prospects. He can engineer his own way out of a world cup starting 11 through lack of game time and diminish his chances of a financially good move to a club in Europe or better prospects than ourselves. The choice is his really. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smudger63 Posted 10 July 2022 Share Posted 10 July 2022 6 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....let us just get used to the worst-case scenario, he does not extend his contract and leaves at the end of next season!!! We can't change any of this as whatever Youri wants is what is happening. By setting parameters we will have nothing to lose, £30m price tag, and the deal to be completed by the 15th of July. If they want him, come and get him, or they wait until next season to pick him up. If he wants to leave he needs to get a move on and forego any loyalty payments. All this impasse goes away and we stop this guessing game. We still hold his contract, we have to be brave enough to let him go for free to take any control of this. Completely agree. Make it be known that he wont be sold after a certain date, and also at a price we want, anything less will be turned down flat. If that means he goes for free next season, then so be it. 15th July sounds about right to me too. That should focus his mind and the minds of any club that wants to sign him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudio Fannieri Posted 10 July 2022 Share Posted 10 July 2022 Rumours that De Jong wants to stay at Barcelona rather than join Man United. wouldn’t be surprised if they come in for Youri instead, in my opinion this would be great for us as potentially creates some tension in the market with Arsenal and maybe means we can get a bit more extra cash and bring this situation to a close 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoneticerror Posted 10 July 2022 Share Posted 10 July 2022 13 minutes ago, Claudio Fannieri said: Rumours that De Jong wants to stay at Barcelona rather than join Man United. wouldn’t be surprised if they come in for Youri instead, in my opinion this would be great for us as potentially creates some tension in the market with Arsenal and maybe means we can get a bit more extra cash and bring this situation to a close I just wish somebody would! We need the cash to buy somebody that actually wants to be here! Sad to see Youri go, but I’d rather he go than sulk and play to half his ability. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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