sacreblueits442 Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 21 minutes ago, foxfanazer said: That's not his fault though. It's the clubs responsibility to ensure the transfer strategy is correct ...he can do whatever he wants, the contract works both ways!!! My problem is the club allowing this to drift, without attempting to try and control the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 1 minute ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...he can do whatever he wants, the contract works both ways!!! My problem is the club allowing this to drift, without attempting to try and control the situation. Think we're of the same opinion mate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinterdream Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 47 minutes ago, Guest said: I find it really odd how some people talk about him like he was refusing to play while criticising the club and manager in public or something. He was nowhere near his best last season and I think he'd probably admit as much but the stuff about his attitude or him not being arsed is, as is usually the case, completely unfounded. Think there was quite a few games he was playing a position that doesn't compliment his style, but I think in his head his motivation may not have been 100%, tbh it's totally understandable when he's worked hard for 2 seasons to see us miss out on top 4, then he has to play with vestegaard at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 1 hour ago, Ric Flair said: We will still sell him on deadline day if a team offers us decent money, we'd be very stupid not to even if we don't get a replacement. ‘Decent money’ that’s the key as Arsenal’s lack of action suggests pure lowballing if they want him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said: Not quite sure what you expect? Play the situation out. August 1st we tell Youri’s entourage they have 1 week or we will not sell past August 8th They return with we aren’t signing a new contract Start of September a 25m offer arrives, what do you do? Accept Or write off the 25m as he leaves for free next year This will come down to money If you think it has the potential to knock ten points off our season total, then you let him leave for free or wait until January. If Praet, Soumare and Youri all leave this window - we will be very weak in the position and have little time to get someone in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 46 minutes ago, st albans fox said: … You might judge that with this looking to become the way a lot of players will deal with contracts in the future, that you stick to your position. Of course it’s not my £25m ! 1 year contracts to become more the norm? Lack of security, but that is less of issue compared to yesteryear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 9 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: If you think it has the potential to knock ten points off our season total, then you let him leave for free or wait until January. If Praet, Soumare and Youri all leave this window - we will be very weak in the position and have little time to get someone in. Maybe. What sort of lunatic runs a football club! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox1norfolk Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: 1 year contracts to become more the norm? Lack of security, but that is less of issue compared to yesteryear Rolling one year contracts, like any other business, you deliver or go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Large's Black Book Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 2 minutes ago, Fox1norfolk said: Rolling one year contracts, like any other business, you deliver or go. Thing is, you're not likely to do an ACL writing a tender (say) so it's not like for like situation and not comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 9 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: 1 year contracts to become more the norm? Lack of security, but that is less of issue compared to yesteryear In that case, transfer fees will disappear …..and that effectively screws everyone outside the big 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox1norfolk Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 7 minutes ago, Frank Large's Black Book said: Thing is, you're not likely to do an ACL writing a tender (say) so it's not like for like situation and not comparable. Obviously you would have to make allowances for injuries etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Large's Black Book Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 6 minutes ago, st albans fox said: In that case, transfer fees will disappear …..and that effectively screws everyone outside the big 6. It'll all be on wages instead - imagine....Vesty on £90 gazillion a week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frank Large's Black Book Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 1 minute ago, Fox1norfolk said: Obviously you would have to make allowances for injuries etc. Ah yes, personal health insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...Ric, what you consider reasonable money!!! £25m or more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 1 minute ago, Frank Large's Black Book said: It'll all be on wages instead - imagine....Vesty on £90 gazillion a week It won’t happen for reasons of security for players ……it looks too risky to chuck away a £20m contract when you could suffer a career ending injury at any time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 22 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: 1 year contracts to become more the norm? Lack of security, but that is less of issue compared to yesteryear Players are going to run their contracts more for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox1norfolk Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 3 minutes ago, Frank Large's Black Book said: It'll all be on wages instead - imagine....Vesty on £90 gazillion a week You have salary cap which applies to every prem club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 3 minutes ago, st albans fox said: It won’t happen for reasons of security for players ……it looks too risky to chuck away a £20m contract when you could suffer a career ending injury at any time In man ways, this was how US sports used to be run. Players could be cut from a team, even with a contract (well, it was part of the contract.) Don't know if it is still the case (haven't been in the Ststes for decades and don't follow it that closely.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
splinterdream Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 1 hour ago, foxfanazer said: I know it's only pre season but he's been named captain twice for us so far. If he was disruptive there's no way he'd be named captain pre season friendlies or not More interesting that he was made captain in a team with Ndidi in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 9 minutes ago, splinterdream said: More interesting that he was made captain in a team with Ndidi in it. Wilf was only going to play for an hour max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 2 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...I have stated numerous times that a deadline should have been put in place!!! Rodgers saying he was going to have a conversation with Youri and him not having any response to questions continually asked about the situation, indicates we have not implemented any deadlines or caveats regarding the situation. 2 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...he can do whatever he wants, the contract works both ways!!! My problem is the club allowing this to drift, without attempting to try and control the situation. Do you honestly think Youri’s agent would be bothered in the slightest about a futile deadline? The club have attempted to try and control the situation by offering him numerous new contracts 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 2 minutes ago, Albert said: Do you honestly think Youri’s agent would be bothered in the slightest about a futile deadline? The club have attempted to try and control the situation by offering him numerous new contracts ....that is not controlling, that is placating!!! If we refuse to release him after a specified date, there is nothing the agent can do. The consensus is he is out of his league, with Youri being the most prestigious client on his books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 22 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....that is not controlling, that is placating!!! If we refuse to release him after a specified date, there is nothing the agent can do. The consensus is he is out of his league, with Youri being the most prestigious client on his books. How is it placating? We offered him a new contract when he had 2.5yrs left to run. What more could we have done? His agent clearly knows what he’s doing 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJams Posted 24 July 2022 Share Posted 24 July 2022 4 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...I have stated numerous times that a deadline should have been put in place!!! A deadline is largely pointless. What you have is a figure. That figure isn't set in stone. It can move up and down for us dependant on when an offer is made. Arsenal may be playing the game of thinking that the supposed £25 mill figure placed on him will drop to £15 mill with 3 days left of the window because we might become desperate enough to sell. Maybe the club decides that if a bid comes in that late then the fee goes up to £35mill as we have less time an prep to do our business. Arsenal know it's probably in our best interests to sell so want to lowball. We know if Arsenal don't get him this window then they are far less likely to be able to get him at all as his options will increase. We also know that a lot can happen between now and January. If Man Utd are struggling in midfield cos they didn't get De Jong or they did but he's injured or Jorginho at Chelsea needs replacing and Youri is coming off the back of a great world cup, then there's every chance one of those clubs make a decent offer if they think he's the difference between 4th and 5th. There's plenty of variables, possible scenarios. And as such you don't just pitch up with a deadline and close your ears to other options. We'll have a figure in mind. That's it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 25 July 2022 Share Posted 25 July 2022 7 minutes ago, JimJams said: A deadline is largely pointless. What you have is a figure. That figure isn't set in stone. It can move up and down for us dependant on when an offer is made. Arsenal may be playing the game of thinking that the supposed £25 mill figure placed on him will drop to £15 mill with 3 days left of the window because we might become desperate enough to sell. Maybe the club decides that if a bid comes in that late then the fee goes up to £35mill as we have less time an prep to do our business. Arsenal know it's probably in our best interests to sell so want to lowball. We know if Arsenal don't get him this window then they are far less likely to be able to get him at all as his options will increase. We also know that a lot can happen between now and January. If Man Utd are struggling in midfield cos they didn't get De Jong or they did but he's injured or Jorginho at Chelsea needs replacing and Youri is coming off the back of a great world cup, then there's every chance one of those clubs make a decent offer if they think he's the difference between 4th and 5th. There's plenty of variables, possible scenarios. And as such you don't just pitch up with a deadline and close your ears to other options. We'll have a figure in mind. That's it. ...if you accept the premise that he will go on a free next season, then we can then control the situation!!! We know that we need all the revenue we can get to finance a replacement, and there are variable outcomes between him going for free or receiving a fee for him this summer. The chances are he runs his contract down, no extension, no pledge to look at where he is in relation to staying here. We then have nothing to lose and a deadline stops the will he won't he scenario. Should we choose to allow this uncertainty to continue, (hoping to get a fee) then any deadline brings the matter to a head quicker than waiting for one party to blink. The fear of him going for nothing is what is keeping this show on the road and therefore the club is reluctant to enforce a deadline. The likelihood that he will leave on a free, is even more reason to engineer a deadline, we would have nothing to lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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