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Youri Tielemans

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sacreblueits442

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33 minutes ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said:

If he sees out his current contract, and has another bad year, he might not get a big money offer.

...it will not matter what kind if deal it is, just because he is signing for someone on a free guarantees a big wedge, just to sign!!!

 

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2 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...it will not matter what kind if deal it is, just because he is signing for someone on a free guarantees a big wedge, just to sign!!!

 

He’ll also likely have signed a pre-contract somewhere already by Jan/Feb so it doesn’t matter how crap he is for the rest of the season.

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2 hours ago, Sampson said:

Again - why would he sign a new contract with a release fee? It’s far more beneficial for him and his agent financially to leave on a free. We saw with Aaron Ramsey to Juventus how all those millions Juve would’ve spent on his transfer instead goes on the player wages and agent fees.
 

Tielemans will get a massive contract elsewhere if he goes on a free. Let’s say Arsenal think they want to spend £15mil on him rather than £25mil - they’ll instead put that £15mil to him and his agent as excess wages over a 4 year contract and save £10m in the process.

 

We’ll never be able to offer him close to what he can earn by leaving on a free next summer.

There is another route 

 

if we sell him this summer or he leaves next summer then we have to replace him 

 

we must have a budget for that new player (fee and salary over four years). Let’s say it’s a £30m fee and 100k per week. Over four years that’s £50m.


if we offer YT a new 4 year deal on 150k/week and a loyalty bonus for signing of £15m then we are committing to £45m over the four years. 
 

in both cases we have a saleable asset 

 

Of course, if we sell him this summer then we can possibly recoup £25m and that’s the best financial option for the club because it reduces the 50m contract period outlay effectively to 25m.  but if it looks like he is going to see out his deal and leave for a free then the new deal option is attractive.  
 

I think we may well see more of this over the next few years with the top players. Signing shorter deals of three years and winding their contracts down. then re signing with a big fee for doing so.  Of course the fee can be spread over the period of the new contract. 

 

 

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55 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

There is another route 

 

if we sell him this summer or he leaves next summer then we have to replace him 

 

we must have a budget for that new player (fee and salary over four years). Let’s say it’s a £30m fee and 100k per week. Over four years that’s £50m.


if we offer YT a new 4 year deal on 150k/week and a loyalty bonus for signing of £15m then we are committing to £45m over the four years. 
 

in both cases we have a saleable asset 

 

Of course, if we sell him this summer then we can possibly recoup £25m and that’s the best financial option for the club because it reduces the 50m contract period outlay effectively to 25m.  but if it looks like he is going to see out his deal and leave for a free then the new deal option is attractive.  
 

I think we may well see more of this over the next few years with the top players. Signing shorter deals of three years and winding their contracts down. then re signing with a big fee for doing so.  Of course the fee can be spread over the period of the new contract. 

 

 

I think we can do this type of thing.  

Right now we face replacing him either now or next year.... neither pay him or someone else wages for next season.

If he signed just a 2 or 3 year contract now we can pay him a sign on fee (some portion of his replacement cost)... and better wages.  Then next year we can repeat.

 

Yet if youri wants to play in the cl he will move on.

 

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Just now, foxinsocks said:

I think we can do this type of thing.  

Right now we face replacing him either now or next year.... neither pay him or someone else wages for next season.

If he signed just a 2 or 3 year contract now we can pay him a sign on fee (some portion of his replacement cost)... and better wages.  Then next year we can repeat.

 

Yet if youri wants to play in the cl he will move on.

 

Our problem is if no CL club is willing to pay what he wants 

 

thats moreso true this summer than next when there will be no fee payable. 
 

that’s why we need to get him signed up somehow this summer rather than allowing him to drift off for nothing next (and likely a poor season with the World Cup distraction and then protecting his fitness ahead of his summer move).  there must be a way of us protecting ourselves and also delivering the player a big wedge in lieu of him not moving for nothing next summer. 
 

I hope we find a way. 

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Just now, st albans fox said:

Our problem is if no CL club is willing to pay what he wants 

 

thats moreso true this summer than next when there will be no fee payable. 
 

that’s why we need to get him signed up somehow this summer rather than allowing him to drift off for nothing next (and likely a poor season with the World Cup distraction and then protecting his fitness ahead of his summer move).  there must be a way of us protecting ourselves and also delivering the player a big wedge in lieu of him not moving for nothing next summer. 
 

I hope we find a way. 

So he has a problem.... if he wants cl then fine... if he wants wages we can compete

I would be sick if he went to spurs

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27 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Still think we will struggle to shift him. Why would anyone want to pay for him when he could leave on a free next summer? 

In order to get him.

Arsenal can’t afford to wait until he’s free as they’ll likely get competition they can’t beat.

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56 minutes ago, Pliskin said:

Still think we will struggle to shift him. Why would anyone want to pay for him when he could leave on a free next summer? 

It's not free though is it? They buying club now seems to pay the same as a transfer fee but it all goes to the player!

 

This will kill football off eventually.

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24 minutes ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

It's not free though is it? They buying club now seems to pay the same as a transfer fee but it all goes to the player!

 

This will kill football off eventually.

...not nearly the value it would cost to buy him with a contract still in force!!!

  Even a big signing on fee "welcome to..." payment,will be nowhere near the cost of a transfer fee, even with what tends to be a higher than normal salary, which will be over a short period. 

  Your Eriksen, Tarkowski and Lingard's of this world are all of a certain age, and that is usually where these deals are done. 

  A 25 year old Tielemans, on a free, is very much a rarity in the game, hence the likelihood that it will be resolved prior to the expiry of his present contract. 

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2 hours ago, Grebfromgrebland said:

It's not free though is it? They buying club now seems to pay the same as a transfer fee but it all goes to the player!

 

This will kill football off eventually.

It will still cost the buying club considerably less than if he were under contract. I genuinely don’t think we will be able to get rid of him. If we want him off the wage bill we may have to loan him out and then he leaves in the summer on a free. Unless a club desperately wants him, but who would when there’s players available for less who are much better players? 

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No way many other clubs wouldn't want him.

They just know he wants a change and Leicester need funds for a rebuild. 

 

Although he's had a poor season, he oozes class and is a top international footballer.

 

It's a waiting game atm, but I'm sure it'll be sorted soon

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47 minutes ago, Will1981 said:

Club need to be firm with him, either he signs a new contract or goes for a decent fee this season, if he chooses to run his contract down he does not play for us again and has a year in the reserves on at OHL. 

We should offer him short extension... say 2 years.

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On 26/05/2022 at 10:01, Sampson said:

No it didn’t work out for Juventus because Ramsey was crap, but it certainly worked out better than if they’d have signed him with a transfer fee and it certainly worked out for Ramsey. They absolutely do bump up the wages though because of a free where it’s a player they want who ran down their contract and the player has way more negotiating power as more teams are likely to be in for him.

 

We know there are clubs interested, Tielemans will have little problem finding a suitor next season and probably sign a pre-contract deal with someone in January/Feb time and in the really unlikely scenario if he can’t then he just signs a new deal with Leicester next season.

 

Good chance he’s already signed on a free with someone by Feb and then we do genuinely see a player who’s head is elsewhere.

 

It makes zero sense for Tielemans for him to sign a contract here though until all options have been exhausted next summer.

 

People need to forget about the contract, it’s not happening. The realistic options are get a fee for him this summer or lose him for free in the summer, likely having already signed a pre-contract with someone by February.

I agree that he won't be signing a contract here, but it would be a slight gamble if he winds his contract down. Firstly he would have missed out on a much improved salary here for two years if he had signed an extension last summer. Also what happens if he does his ACL in January? He won't be getting that bumper contract elsewhere. 

 

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11 minutes ago, Viva said:

I agree that he won't be signing a contract here, but it would be a slight gamble if he winds his contract down. Firstly he would have missed out on a much improved salary here for two years if he had signed an extension last summer. Also what happens if he does his ACL in January? He won't be getting that bumper contract elsewhere. 

 

If he signs a pre contact agreement with another club, are they committed to that contract ??  Otherwise he really won’t be worth having here post January 

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50 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

If he signs a pre contact agreement with another club, are they committed to that contract ??  Otherwise he really won’t be worth having here post January 

if he cant get a move then we put a two year contract on the table - thereby he gets bigger wages and we get a fee next summer.

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33 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

if he cant get a move then we put a two year contract on the table - thereby he gets bigger wages and we get a fee next summer.

I’m afraid we won’t pay him enough next year to make that worth his while 

 

there are some structures to a new deal which could work for him but him signing a two year deal this summer would need some v creative work from our finance guys to make it worth losing his free next summer. 

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4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I’m afraid we won’t pay him enough next year to make that worth his while 

 

there are some structures to a new deal which could work for him but him signing a two year deal this summer would need some v creative work from our finance guys to make it worth losing his free next summer. 

....I suspect we would also have to adjust the salary we pay to Vardy as well!!!

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