An Sionnach Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 1 hour ago, Ric Flair said: We have very few right wingers in the academy, I've no problem signing 16-19 year olds if they have the potential to play 1st team football for us. If they have no direct competitor in the academy that will not cause problems. Promoting an 18 y.o from another club over one of our own for the same position in the team will definitely cause problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 43 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: If they have no direct competitor in the academy that will not cause problems. Promoting an 18 y.o from another club over one of our own for the same position in the team will definitely cause problems. Maybe so, but that shouldn't mean we should never do it. Brunt, Young, Grist and Popov have all joined last summer and look to be of good quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 A young left footed right winger would be a great investment. Ebiowei, Karamoko Dembele and Femi Azeez are all available on a free. Loan them out and in 18 months time they might be good enough to compete with our new first team right winger. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJams Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 (edited) So what you’re saying is, sign Brennan Johnson and sweeten the deal with a loaning of whichever yoot we’ve signed. Edited 4 May 2022 by JimJams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 3 hours ago, Ric Flair said: We have very few right wingers in the academy, I've no problem signing 16-19 year olds if they have the potential to play 1st team football for us. The issue we have is we need a RW who can contribute decent numbers and improve the side straight away. If we are going to challenge the upper end of the table again we need one that can bring 10-15 goal contributions next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sacreblueits442 Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 18 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: The issue we have is we need a RW who can contribute decent numbers and improve the side straight away. If we are going to challenge the upper end of the table again we need one that can bring 10-15 goal contributions next season. ....that shouldn't be difficult!!! Get a player in who can actually play the role and you have what you are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Sionnach Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 16 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....that shouldn't be difficult!!! Get a player in who can actually play the role and you have what you are looking for. The endless debate eh.There are a number of suitable candidates but those that can actually do the job properly are expensive and we do not want to pay. Jadon Sancho was bought to do the job at £75 million and 250 grand a week , so far 3 goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzy_Larsson Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 5 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...quality player (Ebiowi), would still love to have Karamoko here though, still only 19, out on loan for a season and comeback and compete for a starting place!!! You've obviously not seen much at all of Karamoko in the last couple of years. I'd be amazed if he was ready to compete for a place in the Celtic side in a year's time let alone the Leicester side. As can happen he simply looks like another childhood prodigy that hasn't developed as everyone hoped and expected. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzy_Larsson Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 4 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....Dembele himself would not be competing with any academy prospects coming through, at this moment!!! I understand bringing in players as a gamble (and that will be what it is, in this scenario) could curtail or limit the ability of players coming through our academy, and that goes against the grain of what we are trying to achieve at the moment. Next season will be an exciting times for the players that have made a breakthrough this season, who ever goes out on loan needs to see it as an opportunity to grow, as opposed to being sidelined by the club. As for Dembele I am still hopeful that his injury problem (ankle) are now something that will no longer be a barrier to him progressing and the pressure of being a prodigy is taken off his shoulders. I so much want him to come here, we could just have an amazing player on our hands, if only we give him the opportunity. I think people are getting carried away with Dembele without really having seen him play. In his fleeting appearances for the first team this season he's looked way out his depth. I've seen a few B team games he's played in this season also and he isn't even standing out in those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 11 minutes ago, Muzzy_Larsson said: I think people are getting carried away with Dembele without really having seen him play. In his fleeting appearances for the first team this season he's looked way out his depth. I've seen a few B team games he's played in this season also and he isn't even standing out in those. ....time to get away from Celtic and start again elsewhere!!! Not sure how much game time he is getting in the "B" team, but it is going to be the start of his next chapter at the end of this month and it will be interesting to follow his development. His stop start career has got allowed him much momentum to develop, he needs to continue to believe in himself, a restart is the best that could happen to him right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 29 minutes ago, An Sionnach said: The endless debate eh.There are a number of suitable candidates but those that can actually do the job properly are expensive and we do not want to pay. Jadon Sancho was bought to do the job at £75 million and 250 grand a week , so far 3 goals. ...Giovani (Palmeiras) is listed at £9m on transfer market!!! Noni Madueke £16.2m (Transfer Market) David Neres £18.00m (Transfer Market) Tete (Lyon) £18.00m (Transfer Market) I would surmise there are lots more on the continent that can play the role, and not likely to break the bank either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post coolhandfox Posted 4 May 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 4 May 2022 1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....that shouldn't be difficult!!! Get a player in who can actually play the role and you have what you are looking for. Well we have been looking for RW since 2018, and have spent 40m odd on Ghezzal and Perez and loan in both Under and Lookman and still have sorted it. So I'd say it more difficult then you think. 6 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...Giovani (Palmeiras) is listed at £9m on transfer market!!! Noni Madueke £16.2m (Transfer Market) David Neres £18.00m (Transfer Market) Tete (Lyon) £18.00m (Transfer Market) I would surmise there are lots more on the continent that can play the role, and not likely to break the bank either. You are not getting Madueke for 16m 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Sionnach Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 12 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...Giovani (Palmeiras) is listed at £9m on transfer market!!! Noni Madueke £16.2m (Transfer Market) David Neres £18.00m (Transfer Market) Tete (Lyon) £18.00m (Transfer Market) I would surmise there are lots more on the continent that can play the role, and not likely to break the bank either. I think you can be pretty sure that Rodgers ( if he is still manager that is ) will not be interested in any more speculative wide men. Lookman on a permanent deal is probably most likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 Never get the point of transfermrkt valuations, assume it must just be based on some terrible algorithm 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 1 minute ago, An Sionnach said: I think you can be pretty sure that Rodgers ( if he is still manager that is ) will not be interested in any more speculative wide men. Lookman on a permanent deal is probably most likely. ....I wouldn't say any of the previously quoted players are speculative!!! We are missing a trick not bringing in a RW, it makes no sense. Bringing Lookman in maybe a plan (i am not convinced about him) and he only gives the team any real purpose when he plays on the left as opposed to Barnes, so not directly influencing the first eleven. Any manager who comes in will immediately look to bring a RW in, Rodgers has his own ideas on this, I am not too sure what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 17 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Never get the point of transfermrkt valuations, assume it must just be based on some terrible algorithm .....yeah, it tends to be less than the actual market price!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 27 minutes ago, coolhandfox said: Well we have been looking for RW since 2018, and have spent 40m odd on Ghezzal and Perez and loan in both Under and Lookman and still have sorted it. So I'd say it more difficult then you think. You are not getting Madueke for 16m ....we were warned about Ghezzal, just how poor he was, that was before he turned up!!! Perez was an outrageous price to pay for someone who was not bought to play wide, but was used in that position to shoehorn him into the team. Even when it was clear it wasn't working Rodgers insisted on using him there. Lookman is a LW if anything, we really have not made a genuine effort to bring in RW, or at least that we know about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 2 hours ago, coolhandfox said: The issue we have is we need a RW who can contribute decent numbers and improve the side straight away. If we are going to challenge the upper end of the table again we need one that can bring 10-15 goal contributions next season. I'm not suggesting Ebiowi as the RW we badly need, more one for the future but we need at least 2 new wingers possibly more for the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 4 May 2022 Share Posted 4 May 2022 1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....we were warned about Ghezzal, just how poor he was, that was before he turned up!!! Perez was an outrageous price to pay for someone who was not bought to play wide, but was used in that position to shoehorn him into the team. Even when it was clear it wasn't working Rodgers insisted on using him there. Lookman is a LW if anything, we really have not made a genuine effort to bring in RW, or at least that we know about. Perez worked fine until we lost Ricardo to his ACL, they had a pretty good partnership going in the first half of 19/20. 10 goals and 6 assists from the right side in 28 league between them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 5 May 2022 Share Posted 5 May 2022 ....business to be done for next season, should be: In De Ketelaere - £30m (Forward) Tete - £20m (Right Winger, left footed) Mah. Dahoud - £20m (#8, Central Midfield) Chris Richards -£20m (Centre Back) Conservative costs applied. Total cost = £90m Out Tielemans - £20m Soyuncu - £15m Praet - £10m Amartey - £10m Hamza - £7m Mendy - £7m Conservative figures applied. Total revenue = £69m + club contribution £20m = £89m The budget might just stretch to bring in Lookman, as the figures quoted are conservative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phenom Posted 5 May 2022 Share Posted 5 May 2022 1 hour ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....business to be done for next season, should be: In De Ketelaere - £30m (Forward) Tete - £20m (Right Winger, left footed) Mah. Dahoud - £20m (#8, Central Midfield) Chris Richards -£20m (Centre Back) Conservative costs applied. Total cost = £90m Out Tielemans - £20m Soyuncu - £15m Praet - £10m Amartey - £10m Hamza - £7m Mendy - £7m Conservative figures applied. Total revenue = £69m + club contribution £20m = £89m The budget might just stretch to bring in Lookman, as the figures quoted are conservative. If we let go of Cags and Dan we’re going to need to bring in 2-3 CBs 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 5 May 2022 Share Posted 5 May 2022 6 hours ago, Phenom said: If we let go of Cags and Dan we’re going to need to bring in 2-3 CBs Yeah we'd need 2 CB's but we could look at a loan or there's several on a free this summer of we can get our act together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muzzy_Larsson Posted 5 May 2022 Share Posted 5 May 2022 16 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....time to get away from Celtic and start again elsewhere!!! Not sure how much game time he is getting in the "B" team, but it is going to be the start of his next chapter at the end of this month and it will be interesting to follow his development. His stop start career has got allowed him much momentum to develop, he needs to continue to believe in himself, a restart is the best that could happen to him right now. The B team play in a competitive league, against semi-pro teams, equivalent of non-league in England. His career hasn't been stop start at all really, he's not featured because plainly he's not been good enough and hasn't developed since bursting onto the scene at 16. He was out injured for 6 months this season but that was his own fault, had he taken Celtic's medical advice and got an Op right away he would have been back in 12 weeks. I agree he probably needs to leave and start his career afresh but that needs to happen somewhere he's going to get a fair crack at first team football and he'll have to adjust his expectations in that sense. Bouncing about on loan won't be the answer either, He's nowhere near good enough to threaten the Celtic team so I can't understand at all why Leicester would be a good move for him, he'd be even further away from first team football. Serious question have you seen much of him at all other than the videos when he was in his early teens? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Sionnach Posted 5 May 2022 Share Posted 5 May 2022 (edited) We should stop looking for bargains. As soon as we come looking prices go up. The Leicester system is well known now and as with Fofana, we are going to have to pay a realistic price. If we have ambitions to play in Europe every season , we are going to have to pay top dollar. That is why it is critical to our success to promote our own academy players. I can see no justification to buying young players from other clubs. To immediately strengthen the match day squads ,we are going to have to compete for proven , consistent quality. That will be expensive. The owners are going to have to subsidise our transfer budget by increasing amounts in my opinion. Edited 5 May 2022 by An Sionnach 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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