Focus should be on the Europa Conference League

[NasPb]

3 hours ago, Old git said:

I know the Premier League is what every manager focuses on, trying to either survive or get a top 4 or top 6 slot.

 

Realistically, I feel we will survive, but not get top 6.  A top 10 finish would be good considering our injuries this season and our inconsistency.

 

Therefore shouldn’t we focus our efforts on the Europa Conference League?  Win that and you’re in the Europa League next season, which is a route in as we most probably won’t get top 6. Winning the FA cup has the same end product, but I reckon there are tougher teams left in the FA cup compared to the Europa Conference.

 

Therefore in my opinion, Rodger’s should focus on the Europa Conference league?  What do people reckon?

All true but he'll rest vardy for the final because we'll be playing an already relegated Watford the week after, ie what he did against madrid with Gerrard 

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, happy85 said:

Not true. Europa gives us 30 million est

 

If you win the europa leaue then i think it could be that .... what are the chances of an EL win next season ?  participation and a decent group first place should provide around 10/12 mill

[nnfox]

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Call it tinpot and shit all you like but I’m 100% certain that if I get a ticket off to Randers, it will be the most enjoyable trip of the season. Legia away despite the result was probably in the top three occasions this year. 
 

Chelsea and Arsenal fans of yesteryear don’t take the piss out of their Cup Winners Cup victories. 
 

Last May should have told most Leicester fans winning trophies is infinitely better than going ‘ooo it’s nice finishing 7th and making sure the club get a few more million’. 

Couldn't agree more.  Supporting a team is about celebrating the highs and crying during the lows.  It's about the creation of memories.  Lifting trophies and playing European ties beats any argument about the pros and cons of finishing 8th or 14th in the Premier League.

[CosbehFox]

25 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

I'll preface this by saying that I want us to put our focus in the FA Cup and Europa Conference League but at the same time the club needs money to pay for things like the Stadium redevelopment and the Training Ground.

 

All well and good saying that we should prioritise cup competitions but at the same time we're currently unable to afford a centre back this january which is leading to us continuing to play Vestergaard and Soyuncu who have been nothing but shambolic this season.

On prize money alone, we've earned £5.6m from Europe so far. 

Winning the Conference League would bring in an additional £11.6m. 

 

Looking at PL alone at prize-money from an article I saw with the Mirror:-

7th is £27million and 13th is £15million. 

 

It's the TV money what makes the difference in the PL but that's dictated by how many times you are shown. There's an initial payment and then after ten televised games, you get additional payments. Therefore if you are in that glut of mid-table and decrease your chance of being televised, there's not a lot in it. 

[AKCJ]

3 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

On prize money alone, we've earned £5.6m from Europe so far. 

Winning the Conference League would bring in an additional £11.6m. 

 

Looking at PL alone at prize-money from an article I saw with the Mirror:-

7th is £27million and 13th is £15million. 

 

It's the TV money what makes the difference in the PL but that's dictated by how many times you are shown. There's an initial payment and then after ten televised games, you get additional payments. Therefore if you are in that glut of mid-table and decrease your chance of being televised, there's not a lot in it. 

Not sure those figures are correct.

 

Last season we won about £140m in Premier League prize money.

 

 

In 19/20 it was as follows;

 

RANK	CLUBS	Equal Share	Facilities	Merit Share	International tv rights	Commercial revenue	Overall Prize Money
1	Liverpool	£34m	£33m	£38m	£43m	£5m	£153m
2	Manchester City	£34m	£30m	£36m	£43m	£5m	£148m
3	Manchester United	£34m	£35m	£34m	£43m	£5m	£151m
4	Chelsea	£34m	£29m	£32m	£43m	£5m	£143m
	Leicester City	£34m	£20m	£30m	£43m	£5m	£132m
5
6	Tottenham	£34m	£30m	£28m	£43m	£5m	£140m
7	Wolves	£34m	£17m	£27m	£43m	£5m	£129m
8	Arsenal	£34m	£28m	£24m	£43m	£5m	£134m
9	Sheffield United	£34m	£14m	£23m	£43m	£5m	£119m
10	Burnley	£34m	£12m	£21m	£43m	£5m	£115m
11	Southampton	£34m	£14m	£19m	£43m	£5m	£115m
12	Everton	£34m	£21m	£17m	£43m	£5m	£120m
13	Newcastle	£34m	£23m	£15m	£43m	£5m	£120m
14	Crystal Palace	£34m	£15m	£13m	£43m		£110m
						£5m
	Brighton	£34m	£12m	£11m	£43m	£5m	£105m
15
16	West Ham Utd	£34m	£20m	£10m	£43m		£112m
						£5m
17	Aston Villa	£34m	£15m	£8.5m	£43m	£5m	£105.5m
Relegated Teams
18	Bournemouth	£34m	£14m	£6m	£43m	£5m	£102m
19	Watford	£34m	£15m	£4m	£43m	£5m	£101m
20	Norwich City	£34m	£12m	£2.5m	£43m	£5m	£96.5m

[Blueman1967]

Will we give this a go in the Europa Conference League, as we were disappointing in the Europa League, and then the moan about the amount of games we will have to play.

[Chelmofox]

What's wrong with just trying to twat everyone in everything?

[Beliall]

I would be happy to just prioritise being better at football

[grobyfox1990]

2 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Not sure those figures are correct.

 

Last season we won about £140m in Premier League prize money.

 

 

In 19/20 it was as follows;

 

RANK	CLUBS	Equal Share	Facilities	Merit Share	International tv rights	Commercial revenue	Overall Prize Money
1	Liverpool	£34m	£33m	£38m	£43m	£5m	£153m
2	Manchester City	£34m	£30m	£36m	£43m	£5m	£148m
3	Manchester United	£34m	£35m	£34m	£43m	£5m	£151m
4	Chelsea	£34m	£29m	£32m	£43m	£5m	£143m
	Leicester City	£34m	£20m	£30m	£43m	£5m	£132m
5
6	Tottenham	£34m	£30m	£28m	£43m	£5m	£140m
7	Wolves	£34m	£17m	£27m	£43m	£5m	£129m
8	Arsenal	£34m	£28m	£24m	£43m	£5m	£134m
9	Sheffield United	£34m	£14m	£23m	£43m	£5m	£119m
10	Burnley	£34m	£12m	£21m	£43m	£5m	£115m
11	Southampton	£34m	£14m	£19m	£43m	£5m	£115m
12	Everton	£34m	£21m	£17m	£43m	£5m	£120m
13	Newcastle	£34m	£23m	£15m	£43m	£5m	£120m
14	Crystal Palace	£34m	£15m	£13m	£43m		£110m
						£5m
	Brighton	£34m	£12m	£11m	£43m	£5m	£105m
15
16	West Ham Utd	£34m	£20m	£10m	£43m		£112m
						£5m
17	Aston Villa	£34m	£15m	£8.5m	£43m	£5m	£105.5m
Relegated Teams
18	Bournemouth	£34m	£14m	£6m	£43m	£5m	£102m
19	Watford	£34m	£15m	£4m	£43m	£5m	£101m
20	Norwich City	£34m	£12m	£2.5m	£43m	£5m	£96.5m

Look at the variable though, which is 'merit share' - the numbers therefore tie in with what Cardiff fox is saying, which is easily recouped through winning the bobstain league cup

[AKCJ]

4 minutes ago, jamesp26 said:

What's wrong with just trying to twat everyone in everything?

It'd be nice to twat someone in something these days.

[Vazman]

2 hours ago, Nalis said:

Order of importance for me this season goes...

 

Conference League

FA Cup

Premier League

 

After the winter break we'll have players back so we should be in a better position to rotate then.

Beating Forest then what you put...

[Foxdiamond]

I think we should focus on each game as it comes. Boring  I know but try and get into next round of the cup(s) then clock up as many points as possible in League  Never let League slip thinking we can pick up when we feel like it

[CosbehFox]

13 minutes ago, AKCJ said:

Not sure those figures are correct.

 

Last season we won about £140m in Premier League prize money.

 

 

In 19/20 it was as follows;

 

RANK	CLUBS	Equal Share	Facilities	Merit Share	International tv rights	Commercial revenue	Overall Prize Money
1	Liverpool	£34m	£33m	£38m	£43m	£5m	£153m
2	Manchester City	£34m	£30m	£36m	£43m	£5m	£148m
3	Manchester United	£34m	£35m	£34m	£43m	£5m	£151m
4	Chelsea	£34m	£29m	£32m	£43m	£5m	£143m
	Leicester City	£34m	£20m	£30m	£43m	£5m	£132m
5
6	Tottenham	£34m	£30m	£28m	£43m	£5m	£140m
7	Wolves	£34m	£17m	£27m	£43m	£5m	£129m
8	Arsenal	£34m	£28m	£24m	£43m	£5m	£134m
9	Sheffield United	£34m	£14m	£23m	£43m	£5m	£119m
10	Burnley	£34m	£12m	£21m	£43m	£5m	£115m
11	Southampton	£34m	£14m	£19m	£43m	£5m	£115m
12	Everton	£34m	£21m	£17m	£43m	£5m	£120m
13	Newcastle	£34m	£23m	£15m	£43m	£5m	£120m
14	Crystal Palace	£34m	£15m	£13m	£43m		£110m
						£5m
	Brighton	£34m	£12m	£11m	£43m	£5m	£105m
15
16	West Ham Utd	£34m	£20m	£10m	£43m		£112m
						£5m
17	Aston Villa	£34m	£15m	£8.5m	£43m	£5m	£105.5m
Relegated Teams
18	Bournemouth	£34m	£14m	£6m	£43m	£5m	£102m
19	Watford	£34m	£15m	£4m	£43m	£5m	£101m
20	Norwich City	£34m	£12m	£2.5m	£43m	£5m	£96.5m

I did say prize money solely which is the merit share column - that’s mostly TV money which we are getting anyway. Only difference is the ‘facilities fee’ which applies after you’ve been in ten televised games and this badly skewed towards the bigger clubs 

Edited 25 January 2022 by Cardiff_Fox

[Winchesterfox]

I know we haven't played in Europe much, and I wish I could get excited about the Conference League, but I'm struggling.  Just feels like a booby prize for teams that screwed up the Europa League.   The FA Cup is more important to me.  

[ScrumpyJack]

28 minutes ago, jamesp26 said:

What's wrong with just trying to twat everyone in everything?

 

[grobyfox1990]

16 minutes ago, Winchesterfox said:

I know we haven't played in Europe much, and I wish I could get excited about the Conference League, but I'm struggling.  Just feels like a booby prize for teams that screwed up the Europa League.   The FA Cup is more important to me.  

https://www.thecrazytourist.com/15-best-things-tirana-albania/
 

get excited, I am, 25 may 

[Paninistickers]

15 minutes ago, Winchesterfox said:

I know we haven't played in Europe much, and I wish I could get excited about the Conference League, but I'm struggling.  Just feels like a booby prize for teams that screwed up the Europa League.   The FA Cup is more important to me.  

Hey, league 1 is a booby prize for teams that screwed up the championship. Ditto championship for PL failures. I love them both on my CV

 

I just love silverware!. I could bathe in it

[Gazza3]

3 hours ago, Xen said:

Not true.

£2m per league position roughly, and we're likely to finish anywhere between 14th-8th at a guess. So focussing on the league would net us a max uplift of about £12m (probably less), but we'd also be without European football next season.

 

If I've understood correctly, winning the conference league (which should be within our capability) will net us another £12m this season (see tweet below) and is our best chance to qualify for next season's Europa League, which then adds another £3.5m participation fee and potential to win more.

 

 

 

 

 

The Europa Conference League should be our priority from a financial point of view, and getting into Europe will massively help us with signing/keeping players next season.

 

I bow to your superior knowledge .Even more reason to go for it then

[Guest David Oldfields Gate]

I don't give a flying walrus about prize money, I want our name etched into silver.

I've been to Albania, twice, I'd love a third trip to see a trophy held up.

Brilliant country, brilliant people, even better in the summer.

COME ON!!

 

 

[Lambert09]

Rebuilding for next season will be much easier with Europa league. I don’t think someone like daka would have signed if we had no European football 

[dannythefox]

I’d love us to win this but again it won’t be easy I think some think we’ll walk this personally I can’t see it, it will still be tough. Be nice to have our name on the trophy first and its away of getting European football next season even though next season I believe we’ll finish in the top 6.

[FoxesAreBlue]

2 hours ago, grobyfox1990 said:

In a perfect world yes, but this is far from perfect and footballers are all human. Do you have the same ambition and motivation on a Wednesday afternoon after 5 hours of zoom calls that you do on a Monday morning etc? If you do that is very impressive and i would love to get coaching from you, because i do not, and my colleagues absolutely do not! My motivation/effort fluctuates throughtout the week on what is important on my to-do-list. Footballers are always going to 'prioritise' one tournament over another, the question in this thread being which one, IMO it should be the cups because i want loads of good days out.

I’m afraid I respectfully disagree.

 

If you’re comparing it to me the I’m in an emergency service so yes, when I’m on a shout I have no option but to give 100% mentally and physically so resolve the issue.
 

Ultimately, and without trying to be dramatic; people’s lives/property/business continuity/environment all depend on it.

 

Granted, my

motivation might wane when we’re in the middle of the millionth training drill/lecture/PowerPoint of the year. But that’s in training - you can’t give 100% in training otherwise you’re burnt out when it’s time to go. 
 

If I’m a footballer that’s where I’d expect them to not be at 100% too. Training, particularly in-season should be much less than 100% - especially when games are coming thick and fast.
 

They’re at their sharp end for a 90-100 minutes period, twice - maybe three times - a week. If I’m their coach I’d expect 100% focus and effort during that time.

 

I’m not expecting a win every week, that’s unrealistic, but I’d be furious if they ever take their foot off the gas and throw away any League/Cup matches. Competitors are designed to win.
 

They’re compensated for what they can do in that 90minutes, not the training in between. 
 

Same as I am compensated for what my team and I does when we get that call, not sitting in a lecture telling me the same old training packages over and over again.

[grobyfox1990]

28 minutes ago, FoxesAreBlue said:

I’m afraid I respectfully disagree.

 

If you’re comparing it to me the I’m in an emergency service so yes, when I’m on a shout I have no option but to give 100% mentally and physically so resolve the issue.
 

Ultimately, and without trying to be dramatic; people’s lives/property/business continuity/environment all depend on it.

 

Granted, my

motivation might wane when we’re in the middle of the millionth training drill/lecture/PowerPoint of the year. But that’s in training - you can’t give 100% in training otherwise you’re burnt out when it’s time to go. 
 

If I’m a footballer that’s where I’d expect them to not be at 100% too. Training, particularly in-season should be much less than 100% - especially when games are coming thick and fast.
 

They’re at their sharp end for a 90-100 minutes period, twice - maybe three times - a week. If I’m their coach I’d expect 100% focus and effort during that time.

 

I’m not expecting a win every week, that’s unrealistic, but I’d be furious if they ever take their foot off the gas and throw away any League/Cup matches. Competitors are designed to win.
 

They’re compensated for what they can do in that 90minutes, not the training in between. 
 

Same as I am compensated for what my team and I does when we get that call, not sitting in a lecture telling me the same old training packages over and over again.

That’s a great point and I didn’t think of it that way, in terms of a footballers job being more than just match day. They can be unmotivated/shirk off somewhat during training, but for matches, whatever the tournament, opposition etc it needs to be 100% as a given. I suppose it’s similar for me, I switch off during internal non value add time sap catch up calls on zoom. But when the big clients want things done, they have to get done quickly and perfectly at any time it day, otherwise I’m a goner. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

3 hours ago, AKCJ said:

I'll preface this by saying that I want us to put our focus in the FA Cup and Europa Conference League but at the same time the club needs money to pay for things like the Stadium redevelopment and the Training Ground.

 

All well and good saying that we should prioritise cup competitions but at the same time we're currently unable to afford a centre back this january which is leading to us continuing to play Vestergaard and Soyuncu who have been nothing but shambolic this season.

It's a question of 5 million here or there. Gone in 30 seconds of transfer negotiation.

[happy85]

4 hours ago, st albans fox said:

If you win the europa leaue then i think it could be that .... what are the chances of an EL win next season ?  participation and a decent group first place should provide around 10/12 mill

Inc gate recipets n TV pool

money near to that amount