LCFCCHRIS Posted 23 June 2023 Share Posted 23 June 2023 (edited) Initial reaction is good news. Makes Putin look weak, causes turmoil in the Russian state, possibly (please) Wagner troops trying to cause mayhem in Russia. Another precarious piece taken out of Putin’s Jenga tower of a country. Edited 23 June 2023 by LCFCCHRIS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 (edited) Mental! What’s even more mental is that, didn’t Putin say that nuclear weapons would be used if a direct attack was made on Russia! What’s he going to do? Use them in russia! Edited 24 June 2023 by yorkie1999 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LanguedocFox Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 Breaking news from Politico: https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-in-crisis-as-wagner-chief-prigozhin-declares-war-on-russian-military-leadership/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 Well now. This makes things more interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jattdogg Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 Interesting developments. Either this is a ploy and ukraine is about to get bombed like nuts or shits going to get real between wagner and putins buddies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turlo Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 Loads of footage just hit telegram claiming to be Wagner troops on the streets of Rostov. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 If this is indeed hitting the fan in Russia, ( early days yet to make that declaration) then surely it would be hard for a Russia to justify having troops in Ukraine when they might be needed in Moscow..: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend_in_blue Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 (edited) Always thought it would need someone on the inside to put a stop to this. Never thought it would be wagner though. Edited 24 June 2023 by Legend_in_blue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 I guess when you have soldiers serving you whose primary loyalty is to the highest bidder, sometimes the risk is that they'll want a bigger slice of the pie and look to get it either by going elsewhere, or causing an almighty fuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 Putin to make TV address Russian President Vladimir Putin will make a televised address shortly, the Tass news agency quotes a Kremlin spokesman as saying. Popcorn.gif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 5 hours ago, yorkie1999 said: Mental! What’s even more mental is that, didn’t Putin say that nuclear weapons would be used if a direct attack was made on Russia! What’s he going to do? Use them in russia! I’m hoping this is sarcasm 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 4 hours ago, Jattdogg said: Interesting developments. Either this is a ploy and ukraine is about to get bombed like nuts or shits going to get real between wagner and putins buddies. People always look for a conspiracy in Russian stuff but this is absolutely genuine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox_favourite Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 We'll, this situation escalated very quickly. I can't imagine it'll last long. Prigozhin will be target number one. Wonder if he has support within the high ranking members of the military? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casablancas Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 Putin orders threat to be neutralised Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casablancas Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 Couldn’t have happened to a more deserving populace 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox_favourite Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 I'm surprised The West haven't been blamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casablancas Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 8 minutes ago, fox_favourite said: I'm surprised The West haven't been blamed. Give it time. I’m sure they’ll try and spin it. Have an English dictionary or some Tolkien On a Wagnerians corpse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 Prighozin yesterday sewed the seeds that the whole war was built upon lies. If he’s flipping soldiers this easily then it’s pretty clear that that feeling is rife in the military. The more who flip, the more momentum will be gained. Rather than a coup it’s more likely to be a mutiny with army figures now feeling empowered to stand up against the ‘system’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginger_Filbert Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 Let’s just hope they do as much damage to each other as possible before it’s over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALC Fox Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 Early into the invasion, we saw rhetoric from a Russian TV presenter saying 'Why do we need a world if Russia isn't in it?' I do wonder how prevalent that extreme view is inside Russia, however fringe it may be. And, what do Putin and the people currently in charge of this autocratic (under the guise of democracy) regime consider what 'Russia' is? If things do go considerably south and Putin considers his leadership seriously under threat, is he going to try to escape, surrender, fight to the death, commit suicide, or is he going to press the button on his own people and those who he sees helped bring this situation about (Ukraine, the West, even China and India for not providing direct help)? That's providing that his people will even listen to him at that hypothetical point. This is all conjecture, of course, and very extreme escalations from the current situation. But I do wonder what might happen in the long term because of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wymsey Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 I must be the only one who is worried about a terror attack on UK soil by Russia again at some point.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 I think there is more to this than currently seems to be the case - it could be a st Petersburg v Moscow power game (putin and prighozin are st Petersburg) progozhin may be the fall guy to keep mad vlad in power Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zear0 Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 Putin addresses the nation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 7 minutes ago, ALC Fox said: Early into the invasion, we saw rhetoric from a Russian TV presenter saying 'Why do we need a world if Russia isn't in it?' I do wonder how prevalent that extreme view is inside Russia, however fringe it may be. And, what do Putin and the people currently in charge of this autocratic (under the guise of democracy) regime consider what 'Russia' is? If things do go considerably south and Putin considers his leadership seriously under threat, is he going to try to escape, surrender, fight to the death, commit suicide, or is he going to press the button on his own people and those who he sees helped bring this situation about (Ukraine, the West, even China and India for not providing direct help)? That's providing that his people will even listen to him at that hypothetical point. This is all conjecture, of course, and very extreme escalations from the current situation. But I do wonder what might happen in the long term because of this. Well, he's been on record as saying nuclear release would only be allowed if "the survival of the state is threatened". Of course, what exactly defines that is very much open to question, so goodness only knows. Ideally, the best way to neutralise the man would be either to eliminate him in a way that he doesn't see coming, or offer him a "retirement" plan that allows him to save face and retain some nominal power in exchange for considerable concessions regarding Ukraine. That doesn't mean that the next guy will be any better, however. 4 minutes ago, Wymsey said: I must be the only one who is worried about a terror attack on UK soil by Russia again at some point.. Have the Russians deliberately targeted British civilians on UK soil at any point directly before (as opposed to assassination operations against Russian nationals living in the UK)? Just that "terror attack" tends to mean an attack designed to deliberately hurt or kill national civilians of the country it is carried out in IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
casablancas Posted 24 June 2023 Share Posted 24 June 2023 17 minutes ago, Wymsey said: I must be the only one who is worried about a terror attack on UK soil by Russia again at some point.. I’m not sure they could actually organise it at the minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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