Ukraine

[MPH]

3 hours ago, Zear0 said:

Can't even begin to imagine how sh*te the N. Korean kit is. Vlad must be desperate. 

 

 

better off going to ikea and getting a flat pack missile kit called Gérönìmö

[MPH]

Interesting take on events…

 

https://x.com/tendar/status/1698967087874535469?s=61&t=ww1scXM6XHavc7jSgJtFfg

 

 

 

 

( most likely with a Ukrainian propaganda spin)

Edited 5 September 2023 by MPH

[leicsmac]

6 hours ago, casablancas said:

American production lines. 

This, and tens of millions of Soviet bodies (in the case of the second world war, anyway).

 

It's unfortunate that the "Red Scare" BS has made people ignore and downplay that so much - even if what Russia is now makes them the antagonist, facts are facts.

 

7 hours ago, casablancas said:

Lotsa questions on the actual worth of NK weapons. Also surely this means the SK will also start handing over lethal means to the Ukrainians- can’t see them no engaging in some one-up-manship. A lot of analysts already think Russia is on borrowed time. UKR allegedly at 3rd like of defence in Zap and if this is the case easy run to see of Azov and cutting of the Orks GBLC. See a challenger has been knocked out, there are hopes it can be repaired and crew all ok. Just shows the value, we need to send more , a lot more. 

The SK's are more interested in the latest KakaoFriends update than what the NK's get up to that doesn't directly involve them. They feel that not sending anything while offering moral and logistical support to Ukraine is the right balance to strike give the various interests in their area.

[MPH]

At the Strategic Bled Forum in Slovenia, Albanian Prime Minister Edi Rama @ediramaal told a joke about Putin and Prigozhin. I thought I'd share it with you:

 

 

"I don't know if you've heard about Russia having this negotiation to unify the clock because they have a nine hour difference from one part of the country to the other. And the Prime Minister went to Putin and said, 'Mr. President, we have a problem. I sent my family on holiday and I called to tell them good night. And it's already morning there, they're on the beach. I called Olaf Scholz to greet him on his anniversary, he said it's tomorrow. I called Xi Jinping for the new year and he said it's still the old year.' Putin said, 'Yes, it happened to me, I called  Prigozhin's family to say I'm sorry for their loss, but the plane hadn't taken off yet.'

[Collymore]

12 hours ago, casablancas said:

See a challenger has been knocked out, there are hopes it can be repaired and crew all ok. Just shows the value, we need to send more , a lot more. 

How they going to repair it? It's a smouldering wreck from what I've seen in video. 

[casablancas]

5 hours ago, Collymore said:

How they going to repair it? It's a smouldering wreck from what I've seen in video. 

Yeah I’ve seen the vid. I’m only going off Hamesh DeBretton was saying tbf, I am by no means an expert - something to do with the release of stored ammo on impact and an internal fire system. At least all the crew survived. Expect to see more and Moscow will parade the images like the 2nd coming. 

[MPH]

5 hours ago, Collymore said:

How they going to repair it? It's a smouldering wreck from what I've seen in video. 

 

I don’t know about repairing it, but the engineering victory here is that all personnel made it out of the tank alive and unhurt..

[Countryfox]

Probably use the tank for spares ..  and I doubt they’ll gloat about it too much as that’s the one only one they’ve stopped.  
 

The fact the crew survived is great news ..  not only for the crew of that tank but all other crews in Challenger 2 tanks .. good for morale. 

[Guest Mee-9]

As a WW2 Historian, and someone who specialises in military history, tanks and vehicles that Challenger 2 is kaput. 

 

It'll probably be salvaged for spares, as there are spares obtainable from it which can be repaired. The Challenger 2 is considered one of/if not the best MBT's in the world, and it's shocking really that this is the first loss. (In a war which does not see British forces fighting in it) 

 

I'd cast doubt upon the training of the tank crew personally, the people inside it were obviously not as experienced as our chaps would be. 

 

Tanks though are an offensive weapon, they're not to be used too much in defensive formations showing it was used probably in the efforts to push the Russians back. 

 

One positive is that the armour did its job, the fact the crew escaped shows it did its job. It's foreseeable that military equipment given to foreign countries won't make it back in one piece. 

 

There's been a big argument in recent years within military circles about tanks becoming obsolete with the use of drones and aircraft targeting them. This was the case ever since tanks hit the battlefields during the First World War, but some tank programmes are being wound down as warfare shifts a different way. 

[MPH]

Interesting to see the Americans give the green light for depleted uranium shells to be sent to Ukraine. Aka ‘ tank buster’ shells. To be used in their Abram tanks they sent. We already sent some for our challenger 2 tanks

 

 

Russians are furious and are incorrectly labeling these as “nuclear weapons on the battlefield “ my main concern is that the Russians could use this as an excuse to use localized nuclear bombs that could flatten areas but contain the spread of nuclear components to just that area.

[LCFCCHRIS]

15 minutes ago, MPH said:

Interesting to see the Americans give the green light for depleted uranium shells to be sent to Ukraine. Aka ‘ tank buster’ shells. To be used in their Abram tanks they sent. We already sent some for our challenger 2 tanks

 

 

Russians are furious and are incorrectly labeling these as “nuclear weapons on the battlefield “ my main concern is that the Russians could use this as an excuse to use localized nuclear bombs that could flatten areas but contain the spread of nuclear components to just that area.

Said the same thing when we sent ours as you mentioned. 
I think it’s a red line they won’t cross, at least for now. If they start to lose big then possibly. 

[fox_favourite]

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66736869.amp

 

They'll claim nuclear escalation 

[Detroit Blues]

1 hour ago, LCFCCHRIS said:

Said the same thing when we sent ours as you mentioned. 
I think it’s a red line they won’t cross, at least for now. If they start to lose big then possibly. 

Russia can't use tactical nukes without a NATO response (be it conventional or nuclear). 

 

Things are looking up for Ukraine after several months of unsexy work atritting Russian strength, clearing minefields and breaking through the first line of defense. Hopefully in the next month or two we'll see some big holes punched into Russia's well fortified lines of defenses, in which case Ukraine could maneuver and retake large sections of their country back. If they can push to the sea of Azov, retake the land to the west, and cut off Crimea, it would be a pretty successful year for them.

 

Edited 7 September 2023 by Detroit Blues

[bmt]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

Interesting to see the Americans give the green light for depleted uranium shells to be sent to Ukraine. Aka ‘ tank buster’ shells. To be used in their Abram tanks they sent. We already sent some for our challenger 2 tanks

 

 

Russians are furious and are incorrectly labeling these as “nuclear weapons on the battlefield “ my main concern is that the Russians could use this as an excuse to use localized nuclear bombs that could flatten areas but contain the spread of nuclear components to just that area.

Depleted uranium is controversial though. For example I work for an investor and there is a firmwide exclusion in investing in companies linked to it.

 

No surprise they claim escalation, it doesn't take that much extrapolation to  (note landmines and cluster bombs are also deemed controversial and already in use)

[westernpark]

If Russia are to use Nuclear weapons, they will have decided to use them regardless. Don’t entertain their posturing by just doing what is best for Ukraine on the battlefield. Russia’s narrative is not consistent and you must simply not be bullied by the bully. 

[fox_favourite]

2 minutes ago, westernpark said:

If Russia are to use Nuclear weapons, they will have decided to use them regardless. Don’t entertain their posturing by just doing what is best for Ukraine on the battlefield. Russia’s narrative is not consistent and you must simply not be bullied by the bully. 

I found an article stating that the Russian narrative isn't consistent and it's starting to fall apart. Could be propaganda, but there is only so far a lie can go before it falls apart. 

 

It annoys me that they claim Ukraine are terrorists for bombing bridges etc...then the fire a rocket in market and bomb civilian target with no strategic importance. 

[The Fox Covert]

On 06/09/2023 at 11:46, casablancas said:

Yeah I’ve seen the vid. I’m only going off Hamesh DeBretton was saying tbf, I am by no means an expert - something to do with the release of stored ammo on impact and an internal fire system. At least all the crew survived. Expect to see more and Moscow will parade the images like the 2nd coming. 

Russia has already claimed to have destroyed 23 Challengers and the UK only sent Ukraine 14. So this is the 24th out of 14!

[Dirkster the Fox]

4 hours ago, fox_favourite said:

I found an article stating that the Russian narrative isn't consistent and it's starting to fall apart. Could be propaganda, but there is only so far a lie can go before it falls apart. 

 

It annoys me that they claim Ukraine are terrorists for bombing bridges etc...then the fire a rocket in market and bomb civilian target with no strategic importance. 

The rockets (yes two) that hit that market arrived from the North West.  X has multiple videos showing the evidence (noise, reaction of the people at the market, two separate cars reflections of direction of travel) and a very Pro-Ukraine German journalist in the town confirmed as much (asking for people not to attack him for saying as much).

 

To understand what this means you need to look at the map and then digest these videos (namely arrived from an active Ukrainian area).  It's also very dodgy when ALL our media automatically, instantly accuse the Russians of the act, across all our media within minutes, without any time to digest the truth. 

 

Surely, such things need some time to investigate and find the truth by our media?  Or do we just accept whatever propaganda we are instantly fed by them? 🙄

 

[Dirkster the Fox]

13 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

The rockets (yes two) that hit that market arrived from the North West.  X has multiple videos showing the evidence (noise, reaction of the people at the market, two separate cars reflections of direction of travel) and a very Pro-Ukraine German journalist in the town confirmed as much (asking for people not to attack him for saying as much).

 

To understand what this means you need to look at the map and then digest these videos (namely arrived from an active Ukrainian area).  It's also very dodgy when ALL our media automatically, instantly accuse the Russians of the act, across all our media within minutes, without any time to digest the truth. 

 

Surely, such things need some time to investigate and find the truth by our media?  Or do we just accept whatever propaganda we are instantly fed by them? 🙄

 

[Dirkster the Fox]

The North West of this area is the most Active Ukrainian for firing "Projectiles" against the Russian lines.

 

So either the Russians have developed Missiles which can do 180 degree turns (over these areas) on attack or I'll let you decide what really happened? 

[Zear0]

Just now, Dirkster the Fox said:

The North West of this area is the most Active Ukrainian for firing "Projectiles" against the Russian lines.

 

So either the Russians have developed Missiles which can do 180 degree turns (over these areas) on attack or I'll let you decide what really happened? 

Put the Vodka down mate

[Dirkster the Fox]

1 minute ago, Zear0 said:

Put the Vodka down mate

664 Posts and a proper Leicester City fan and almost 20 months since this war started and you're still pulling the I'm a Russian Bot bullshit.

 

You sir are the one looking a fool......

[MPH]

50 minutes ago, Dirkster the Fox said:

The rockets (yes two) that hit that market arrived from the North West.  X has multiple videos showing the evidence (noise, reaction of the people at the market, two separate cars reflections of direction of travel) and a very Pro-Ukraine German journalist in the town confirmed as much (asking for people not to attack him for saying as much).

 

To understand what this means you need to look at the map and then digest these videos (namely arrived from an active Ukrainian area).  It's also very dodgy when ALL our media automatically, instantly accuse the Russians of the act, across all our media within minutes, without any time to digest the truth. 

 

Surely, such things need some time to investigate and find the truth by our media?  Or do we just accept whatever propaganda we are instantly fed by them? 🙄

 

 

so im Absolutely playing devils advocate here.. anyone who  has been in this thread will know I am very Pro-Ukrainian on the aspects of this unjust war and The Ukrainian army has every right to defend themselves and attack Russian occupiers..

 

 

But I seem to remember going back to the Afghan war and Iraq war that one classic tactic of the Iraqi/Afghan people, was to launch missiles  against enemy targets from densely populated  residential areas to use them as a sort of human defense and then of course comes the public loathing of the enemy for targeting civilian areas. I don’t mean to sound so callous but it results in a brilliant propaganda victory for those attacking the invaders that the big bad invaders ( which Russia of course is) are targeting residential areas ( which of course they are.)

 

I just wonder if there is a bit of this going on in Ukraine. And I’m not necessarily criticizing Ukrainian tactics, but it’s a classic war tactic..

[Dirkster the Fox]

7 hours ago, MPH said:

 

so im Absolutely playing devils advocate here.. anyone who  has been in this thread will know I am very Pro-Ukrainian on the aspects of this unjust war and The Ukrainian army has every right to defend themselves and attack Russian occupiers..

 

 

But I seem to remember going back to the Afghan war and Iraq war that one classic tactic of the Iraqi/Afghan people, was to launch missiles  against enemy targets from densely populated  residential areas to use them as a sort of human defense and then of course comes the public loathing of the enemy for targeting civilian areas. I don’t mean to sound so callous but it results in a brilliant propaganda victory for those attacking the invaders that the big bad invaders ( which Russia of course is) are targeting residential areas ( which of course they are.)

 

I just wonder if there is a bit of this going on in Ukraine. And I’m not necessarily criticizing Ukrainian tactics, but it’s a classic war tactic..

Blinken and Co were in Kiev on the very same day the market was hit. Some might say it was a  Ukrainian stunt to keep the pressure on the US for the $$$$ flow???

 

X is full of comments/Videos confirming the rocket(s) came from the direction (North West)  where Ukraine were already well known to be firing at Russian positions. (Rockets don’t do 180 degree turns). The local people and video evidence have confirmed all this.

 

Firing rockets at your own people is a rather cynical policy and the biggest red flag (it was likely a false flag) was the instant, unquestioned coverage across western media it was the Russians who did it. Zelenski made an announcement saying as such within just 15 minutes of it happening.

 

So fast ….???? 🧐

 

Such instant blame tactics in our media ring big alarm bells with me, but fortunately alternative media often finds the truth, or certainly the most likely explanation. There’s nothing wrong in trying to find the truth, even if it’s not what you want to hear 🤷🏻‍♂️

[fox_up_north]

Tbf, if it was WW2 and London had rockets fired at it, my first thought would have been "maybe Churchill ordered it as a false flag operation to pile pressure on the Nazis"