Countryfox Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 2 hours ago, leicsmac said: Or he was annoyed rather than afraid at the actions of Ukraine due to some misplaced sense of nationalist/historical pride, is committed, and is perfectly willing to escalate should NATO involve themselves heavily. We can't know either way, and until we do perhaps the threats of nuclear hellfire might not be dismissed as a bluff? This sounds like wonderful tough talk and under most circumstances there would be wholesale agreement. However, in this case I'm not sure it's showing an understanding of just what nuclear warfare and the subsequent downfall of civilisation is like, otherwise it would never be suggested. If that makes me somehow a coward or whatever, so be it - better that than someone who let humanity fall for the sake of appearing tough and "doing the right thing". It’s nothing to do with ‘tough talk and failing humanity’ it’s stopping a little man with a huge ego from trying to annihilate millions of peaceful European people. He’s killing them at a rate of knots and is quite happy to target maternity units within hospitals. The suffering of these people is unbelievable. The US fear chemical weapons will come next. Someone has to stand up to him cus he won’t stop otherwise .. other ex soviet countries will fall like dominoes and the genocide will continue. And yes, that is ‘doing the right thing’. Your not a coward Mac just well meaning but totally misguided .. imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Countryfox said: It’s nothing to do with ‘tough talk and failing humanity’ it’s stopping a little man with a huge ego from trying to annihilate millions of peaceful European people. He’s killing them at a rate of knots and is quite happy to target maternity units within hospitals. The suffering of these people is unbelievable. The US fear chemical weapons will come next. Someone has to stand up to him cus he won’t stop otherwise .. other ex soviet countries will fall like dominoes and the genocide will continue. And yes, that is ‘doing the right thing’. Your not a coward Mac just well meaning but totally misguided .. imho. ...with respect, how is it not letting humanity fall when the suggestions for the bolded ("standing up to him", "doing the right thing") have a statistically significant chance of escalating to exactly that? As much as we would like to, we cannot simply disregard Russia's nuclear arsenal out of hand as a small factor or none at all, unless we're sure that Putin is bluffing - and we know nothing of the sort there. Of course the suffering of these people is unbelievable and it needs to be addressed as best as can be, but it needs to be a way that ensures that billions of other people do not join them in misery, suffering and death. I'd like to know how that's somehow misguided, if indeed it is - personally, I think it's purely logical. Edited 10 March 2022 by leicsmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacedX Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 I speculated that the SVR is currently attempting to "dig up dirt" to suggest that Ukraine had been seeking nuclear capability, but it looks as though they may be going the chemical weapons route instead. The false flag operations are imminent and it's possible that President Putin will once again authorise the use of barrel bombing and the nerve gas sarin, as he did in Douma. Sarin vapourises and being heavier than air will sink into and permeate bunkers and subways. We know that thermobaric rockets have been fired, but the faltering progress of the invasion may usher the widespread use of non-conventional weaponry. Not hopeful about the peace talks involving Kuleba and Lavrov in Antalya today. Ukraine are unlikely to yield to Russia's demands and continued intransigence from the Kremlin will mean few in the way of concessions. Perhaps at some stage the civilian cost will become too much to bear for Ukraine, whilst the diminishing returns, troop and equipment losses combined with a crippled economy may similarly force Russia to adopt a more conciliatory tone. I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fox Covert Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 15 hours ago, Strokes said: Why wait for the west to decide?Just stop buying Chinese shit. The Russians bought cheap Chinese tyres for their military vehicles. It hasn't ended well. This is why so many of them have broken down and there is a 40 mile long convoy outside Kyiv which has barely moved for a week. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 Abramavic FINALLY sanctioned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 ALL assets frozen INCLUDING CHELSEA 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 6 minutes ago, The Fox Covert said: The Russians bought cheap Chinese tyres for their military vehicles. It hasn't ended well. This is why so many of them have broken down and there is a 40 mile long convoy outside Kyiv which has barely moved for a week. The whole of the Russian army is being eaten by dry rot. The Ukrainians have tried to re-purpose some of the stuff they've captured and it's just falling apart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zear0 Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 I recall this was posted here recently, so apologies to whoever that was, but worth re-posting for those who haven't seen this as it's become extremely relevant (not that it wasn't already). 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 33 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: ALL assets frozen INCLUDING CHELSEA What is the actual consequence of that? Does it mean that they can't play or no-one will get paid or something along those lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 4 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: What is the actual consequence of that? Does it mean that they can't play or no-one will get paid or something along those lines. More on this from BBC Sports Editor Dan Roan. Assets seized includes Chelsea FC. Premier League was informed 15 minutes before it was announced. The Government are putting in place a licence to ensure the club can fulfil its fixtures, staff and players can be paid, and as a significant cultural asset that it can continue. This is about Roman Abramovich not being able to make any money or benefit from Chelsea FC. Season ticket holders can still attend games they have tickets for but club can not now sell any more tickets that haven’t been sold already The merchandise shop will be closed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 3 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: What is the actual consequence of that? Does it mean that they can't play or no-one will get paid or something along those lines. Seems they can pay existing staff, allow existing ticket holders in BUT they cannot Sell new tickets Sell mechandise Sell the club All these things need a new license They are ****** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrifox Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 34 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: The whole of the Russian army is being eaten by dry rot. The Ukrainians have tried to re-purpose some of the stuff they've captured and it's just falling apart. Why should we be surprised - they’re incapable of building a decent car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 6 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: What is the actual consequence of that? Does it mean that they can't play or no-one will get paid or something along those lines. It's being discussed on the Premier League thread but @Innovindil has it pretty spot on there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surrifox Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 Just now, Innovindil said: More on this from BBC Sports Editor Dan Roan. Assets seized includes Chelsea FC. Premier League was informed 15 minutes before it was announced. The Government are putting in place a licence to ensure the club can fulfil its fixtures, staff and players can be paid, and as a significant cultural asset that it can continue. This is about Roman Abramovich not being able to make any money or benefit from Chelsea FC. Season ticket holders can still attend games they have tickets for but club can not now sell any more tickets that haven’t been sold already The merchandise shop will be closed. I’m surprised that the Faustian contract lasted as long as it has - all those cups and titles bought with looted state assets and the blood of those who fell foul of this monster Russian regime Hopefully the consequences will be swift and painful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 1 minute ago, urban.spaceman said: It's being discussed on the Premier League thread but @Innovindil has it pretty spot on there. #1 copy paster on ft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacedX Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 36 minutes ago, surrifox said: I’m surprised that the Faustian contract lasted as long as it has - all those cups and titles bought with looted state assets and the blood of those who fell foul of this monster Russian regime Hopefully the consequences will be swift and painful Abramovich's history his part in the aluminium wars, his hot and cold relationship with President Putin, the way he wrested control of Sibneft, the acquisition of Chelsea and the establishment of Millhouse is fascinating. I can highly recommend Catherine Belton's 'Putin's People' - although several passages pertaining to Abramovich have been ruled in a court of law to be defamatory. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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SpacedX Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Shane said: And there it is. See my previous post this morning. They are looking for a pretext to introduce non-conventional weaponry into this war. We know from Douma that Putin will not hesitate to use nerve agents on civilians sheltering underground. Edited 10 March 2022 by Line-X 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaphamFox Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Line-X said: And there it is. See my previous post this morning. They are looking for a pretext to introduce non-conventional weaponry into this war. We know from Douma that Putin will not hesitate to use nerve agents on civilians sheltering underground. If Russia deploys chemical weapons, the pressure on NATO to step in will intensify significantly. It raises the question of just how set in stone NATO's current stance (ie, that it won't commit troops or aircraft to directly fight Russia) really is. Would the moral threshold for intervention be crossed if people are being gassed? At what point does the human cost of Russia's actions reach a level of barbarity that requires a direct response from NATO irrespective of Putin's nuclear threats? Edited 10 March 2022 by ClaphamFox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacedX Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 Just now, ClaphamFox said: If Russia deploys chemical weapons, the pressure on NATO to step in will intensify significantly. It raises the question of just how set in stone NATO's current stance (ie, that it won't commit troops or aircraft to directly fight Russia) is. Would the moral threshold for intervention be crossed if people are being gassed? At what point does the human cost of Russia's actions reach a threshold that requires a direct response from NATO notwithstanding Putin's nuclear threats? Agree. Tragically, the world completely turned a blind eye to Syria though even though the threat of escalation is currently far higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 1 minute ago, Line-X said: And there it is. See my previous post this morning. They are looking for a pretext to introduce non-conventional weaponry into this war. We know from Douma that Putin will not hesitate to use nerve agents on civilians sheltering underground. As the ground troops aren’t making much progress, non-conventional warfare does seem to be the realistic play here for Putin. Cyber warfare, saboteurs, false flags and now chemical and biological warfare. The big worry is he’s getting so desperate he could use something far worse than sarin gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacedX Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 Just now, Shane said: As the ground troops aren’t making much progress, non-conventional warfare does seem to be the realistic play here for Putin. Cyber warfare, saboteurs, false flags and now chemical and biological warfare. The big worry is he’s getting so desperate he could use something far worse than sarin gas. Sarin is horrific enough. They are already using vacuum bombs, but thee has been speculation about whether we could see tactical nuclear weaponry - micro-nukes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 12 minutes ago, Line-X said: Sarin is horrific enough. They are already using vacuum bombs, but thee has been speculation about whether we could see tactical nuclear weaponry - micro-nukes. Sarin is indeed horrific enough, for the targeted population. Unfortunately it’s the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Russia’s capabilities in biological warfare. The mad man could release something he doesn’t have control over. Hopefully the wiser heads around him prevent that from happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacedX Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 6 minutes ago, Shane said: Hopefully the wiser heads around him prevent that from happening. Such as? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blabyboy Posted 10 March 2022 Share Posted 10 March 2022 6 minutes ago, Shane said: Sarin is indeed horrific enough, for the targeted population. Unfortunately it’s the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Russia’s capabilities in biological warfare. The mad man could release something he doesn’t have control over. Hopefully the wiser heads around him prevent that from happening. Perhaps he's been listening to his good ally Xi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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