LiberalFox Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 3 minutes ago, Parafox said: This statement doesn't make sense I probably should have elaborated. By "ending soon" I meant it ending with Ukraine surrendering. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 Apparently from some news sources, Russia's army are at the the limit of their manpower in Ukraine. It seems there aren't enough forces to backfill the movement of troops to Ukraine without exposing Russia's other defences. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kristianity77 Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 How is it that Russia can seemingly recruit fighters from other countries to fight for them in Ukraine, but if anyone that isn't Ukranian dare fire a shot in anger at russian forces it will trigger ww3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 6 hours ago, Fox1norfolk said: Surely has to be Plan B, select the correct room in The Kremlin, and goodnight Mr P ! His offices are probably 60’ underground ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 14 minutes ago, Parafox said: Apparently from some news sources, Russia's army are at the the limit of their manpower in Ukraine. It seems there aren't enough forces to backfill the movement of troops to Ukraine without exposing Russia's other defences. Are you laughing at me or Russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parafox Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 5 minutes ago, kristianity77 said: How is it that Russia can seemingly recruit fighters from other countries to fight for them in Ukraine, but if anyone that isn't Ukranian dare fire a shot in anger at russian forces it will trigger ww3? 'Cos it's Russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 4 minutes ago, kristianity77 said: How is it that Russia can seemingly recruit fighters from other countries to fight for them in Ukraine, but if anyone that isn't Ukranian dare fire a shot in anger at russian forces it will trigger ww3? I don’t think mercenaries fighting for ukraine is something that Russia has a problem with - BUT professional NATO ex soldiers (who will no doubt be identified by Russia as being still in service) firing weapons at Russian troops is an escalation akin to having a no fly zone. hence NATO are calling for those from the west not to go and fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernpark Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 1 hour ago, LiberalFox said: The longer the war goes on, the more the Russian military is degraded and the worse the economic and political situation gets for Putin. That's good for the western allies. People on Russian state TV are already comparing the situation to Afghanistan in the 1980s which ultimately helped speed along the collapse of the USSR. A quick end to the war means allowing Putin to achieve a military victory, gives the Russian military the chance to reorganise and rearm while Russia pivots to China and/or India. Now it is possible that Zelenskyy opts for a conditional surrender to avoid Kyiv being destroyed / halt the loss of life and economic ruin. That's between him and the Ukrainian people. My statement was on the basis of avoiding nuclear confrontation with Russia. I believe Ukraine will never win this war. He’ll deploy a tactical nuclear weapon if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxile5 Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 50 minutes ago, kristianity77 said: How is it that Russia can seemingly recruit fighters from other countries to fight for them in Ukraine, but if anyone that isn't Ukranian dare fire a shot in anger at russian forces it will trigger ww3? Are you assuming that the Russians will have a fair and balanced view of proceedings? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthosoriginals Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 14 minutes ago, westernpark said: My statement was on the basis of avoiding nuclear confrontation with Russia. I believe Ukraine will never win this war. He’ll deploy a tactical nuclear weapon if needed. And i believe you underestimate the ukrainians 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marbles Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 1 hour ago, Parafox said: Are you laughing at me or Russia? I’m laughing at Russia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernpark Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 8 minutes ago, worthosoriginals said: And i believe you underestimate the ukrainians I don’t. I believe they’d be quite capable of fighting off Russian conventional forces. I just fear if that happens, we see a nuclear weapon. Zelenskky has changed his rhetoric to pushing for peace talks. Tweeted that he wanted the west to do more. He realises the grave situation, and the alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarmy Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 1 hour ago, kristianity77 said: How is it that Russia can seemingly recruit fighters from other countries to fight for them in Ukraine, but if anyone that isn't Ukranian dare fire a shot in anger at russian forces it will trigger ww3? Because Russia is a cvnt of a country, and Putin is a cvnt, and all his fvcked up dickhead, weak cronies are cvnts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxile5 Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 14 minutes ago, worthosoriginals said: And i believe you underestimate the ukrainians Whilst it's nice to support the underdog it's not simply a case of underestimating pluck. In this case of nuclear arsenal vs non nuclear arsenal there's only one winner over the fullness of time. Strategic negotiation and diplomacy will be the element that ensures it doesn't go to the gritty end. Whilst the Ukrainis are fighting admirably and with enviable spirit it's a case of the Russians having several more gears. I don't like it but that's how it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritwalker Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 50 minutes ago, westernpark said: My statement was on the basis of avoiding nuclear confrontation with Russia. I believe Ukraine will never win this war. He’ll deploy a tactical nuclear weapon if needed. I would say the opposite., If Ukraine refuses to surrender/agree terms, I don’t see how Russia can win. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countryfox Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 1 hour ago, westernpark said: My statement was on the basis of avoiding nuclear confrontation with Russia. I believe Ukraine will never win this war. He’ll deploy a tactical nuclear weapon if needed. Russia will never win .. to win they will have to wipe out the majority of the population and control those that are left. That will never happen. He won’t use strategic tactical nukes as the west WILL react. And bully Putin knows that. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritwalker Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 27 minutes ago, foxile5 said: Whilst it's nice to support the underdog it's not simply a case of underestimating pluck. In this case of nuclear arsenal vs non nuclear arsenal there's only one winner over the fullness of time. Strategic negotiation and diplomacy will be the element that ensures it doesn't go to the gritty end. Whilst the Ukrainis are fighting admirably and with enviable spirit it's a case of the Russians having several more gears. I don't like it but that's how it is. If Putin was to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine he would lose the support of his few remaining allies such as China and neutral countries such as Israel and India. Ukraine doesn’t have to militarily defeat Russia, it just needs to stay in fight long enough for Russia’s position to become either politically or economically untenable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxile5 Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 Just now, Spiritwalker said: If Putin was to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine he would lose the support of his few remaining allies such as China and neutral countries such as Israel and India. Ukraine doesn’t have to militarily defeat Russia, it just needs to stay in fight long enough for Russia’s position to become either politically or economically untenable. 'strategic negotiation and diplomacy' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernpark Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 29 minutes ago, Spiritwalker said: I would say the opposite., If Ukraine refuses to surrender/agree terms, I don’t see how Russia can win. By deploying a nuclear weapon until they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritwalker Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 1 minute ago, westernpark said: By deploying a nuclear weapon until they do. I just can’t see that happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernpark Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 1 minute ago, Spiritwalker said: I just can’t see that happening. Then of course Russia can lose then. My opinion is purely based on that belief. They’ve already played fast and loose with Chernobyl and the other nuclear power station. Bit of radiation for Europe and obliterating part of Ukraine. Not a bad chess piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox1norfolk Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 2 hours ago, st albans fox said: His offices are probably 60’ underground ! There are other ways and means, nasty stuff on door handles eg Salisbury Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthosoriginals Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 59 minutes ago, foxile5 said: Whilst it's nice to support the underdog it's not simply a case of underestimating pluck. In this case of nuclear arsenal vs non nuclear arsenal there's only one winner over the fullness of time. Strategic negotiation and diplomacy will be the element that ensures it doesn't go to the gritty end. Whilst the Ukrainis are fighting admirably and with enviable spirit it's a case of the Russians having several more gears. I don't like it but that's how it is. Yes some valid points, however im not talking about the nuclear strengths etc but in the field of the war, the russians may be caoable of bombing kids hospitals and their parents homes etc but when it comes to the urban warefare of the two sides, the ukrainians will give the russians a very hard time take a lot of them out. So my opinion differs to the post that said it will be easy for russia to win this. Conventional warfare wise I'd suggest to the poster hold on, a win for Russia may just not be as easy as you state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritwalker Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 2 minutes ago, westernpark said: Then of course Russia can lose then. My opinion is purely based on that belief. They’ve already played fast and loose with Chernobyl and the other nuclear power station. Bit of radiation for Europe and obliterating part of Ukraine. Not a bad chess piece. Apparently the prevailing wind generally blows eastwards from Ukraine to Russia rather than towards Europe so any radiation would in theory blow back on their own population. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthosoriginals Posted 12 March 2022 Share Posted 12 March 2022 2 hours ago, Parafox said: I don't really get involved the Jehovah Witnesses. I'm more of a Jehovah's Bystander. Im more of a, slam the door in the face of the jehovah, il not say witness, what have they witnessed? Themselves reading a book of fairy tales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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