st albans fox Posted 22 March 2022 Share Posted 22 March 2022 Turkey ! I have an issue with turkey they are in NATO hence if attacked, British armed forces are expected to give their lives to help protect Turkish sovereignty yet turkey will not sanction Russian oligarchs etc …. surely you are either in or out ? You can’t be half pregnant ….. are there any other NATO members who are not on board with sanctions ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxes1988 Posted 22 March 2022 Share Posted 22 March 2022 16 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Turkey ! I have an issue with turkey they are in NATO hence if attacked, British armed forces are expected to give their lives to help protect Turkish sovereignty yet turkey will not sanction Russian oligarchs etc …. surely you are either in or out ? You can’t be half pregnant ….. are there any other NATO members who are not on board with sanctions ??? Dunno but this ain't Nato vs Russia as much as Russia wants to paint it that way. Its Ukraine vs Russia. Much of the world is supplying the Ukraine with money supply's and weaponry but that does mean they are at war with Russia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 22 March 2022 Share Posted 22 March 2022 1 hour ago, foxes1988 said: Dunno but this ain't Nato vs Russia as much as Russia wants to paint it that way. Its Ukraine vs Russia. Much of the world is supplying the Ukraine with money supply's and weaponry but that does mean they are at war with Russia. Turkey controls the Black Sea access from the med - she should be aware that if mad vlad wants to guarantee an unhindered warm water route to the med and Atlantic, then they may need NATO one day ….. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detroit Blues Posted 22 March 2022 Share Posted 22 March 2022 Turkey has been selling those drones that Ukraine has been using to destroy Russian Tanks with. They also have closed sea access to Russia. So it's not fair to say they've done nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 22 March 2022 Share Posted 22 March 2022 22 minutes ago, Detroit Blues said: Turkey has been selling those drones that Ukraine has been using to destroy Russian Tanks with. They also have closed sea access to Russia. So it's not fair to say they've done nothing. They had an option to do this under an international agreement but I’m not sure they’ve actually done it ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 22 March 2022 Share Posted 22 March 2022 Can't Ukraine fire some missiles into Russia might wake up the people over there 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 22 March 2022 Share Posted 22 March 2022 2 minutes ago, whoareyaaa said: Can't Ukraine fire some missiles into Russia might wake up the people over there Putin would love that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinkenzo Posted 22 March 2022 Share Posted 22 March 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpacedX Posted 22 March 2022 Share Posted 22 March 2022 Just now, Stinky said: It's beyond belief isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 22 March 2022 Share Posted 22 March 2022 3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Putin would love that of course, if they could direct it straight onto his bold head that would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Posted 22 March 2022 Share Posted 22 March 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 22 March 2022 Share Posted 22 March 2022 9 minutes ago, Stinky said: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalFox Posted 22 March 2022 Share Posted 22 March 2022 Ukraine should bring on Futacs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinkenzo Posted 22 March 2022 Share Posted 22 March 2022 2 hours ago, LiberalFox said: Ukraine should bring on Futacs He's finnish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 22 March 2022 Share Posted 22 March 2022 2 hours ago, LiberalFox said: Ukraine should bring on Futacs 4 minutes ago, Stinky said: He's finnish Marko Futacs? Hungarian. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 23 March 2022 Share Posted 23 March 2022 On 21/03/2022 at 22:09, leicsmac said: If, goodness forbid, that terribleness did happen, it's likely Australia, New Zealand and some parts of South America would be the last vestiges of civilization. The Australia economy would collapse immediately without anyone to buy their resources. I'm not sure how well that would turn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 23 March 2022 Share Posted 23 March 2022 4 hours ago, whoareyaaa said: Can't Ukraine fire some missiles into Russia might wake up the people over there Have you thought about a career in military strategy? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 23 March 2022 Share Posted 23 March 2022 9 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: The Australia economy would collapse immediately without anyone to buy their resources. I'm not sure how well that would turn out. No doubt. I was thinking more of simple civilisational infrastructure that could still be used and (more importantly) the people to power it. There wouldn't be many places left that would still have both of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 23 March 2022 Share Posted 23 March 2022 6 hours ago, Shane said: Good grief. I simply cannot envision how any nuclear exchange between two world powers would remain limited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 23 March 2022 Share Posted 23 March 2022 Golly, at least they are promising to only throw their smallest stones. What a relief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stinkenzo Posted 23 March 2022 Share Posted 23 March 2022 6 hours ago, MPH said: Marko Futacs? Hungarian. Nooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnaldo Posted 23 March 2022 Share Posted 23 March 2022 11 hours ago, Stinky said: He's finnish He’s nae Finnish he’s 32! 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaphamFox Posted 23 March 2022 Share Posted 23 March 2022 Some bloke has lobbed a petrol bomb against the wall of the Kremlin. Full credit to him - that takes some balls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 23 March 2022 Share Posted 23 March 2022 I'm going to be honest, I think both Stoltenberg and the US rep giving the Russians both barrels regarding their nuclear weapons policy is rather a load of hot air, for a couple of reasons: firstly, the US nuclear release protocol is even more "loose" than the Russian one (first use policy under more conditions than the Russian one) and secondly because the posture being indicated by the Russians has always been their position (first use if the existence of the state is gravely threatened) so it's hardly news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernpark Posted 23 March 2022 Share Posted 23 March 2022 1 hour ago, leicsmac said: I'm going to be honest, I think both Stoltenberg and the US rep giving the Russians both barrels regarding their nuclear weapons policy is rather a load of hot air, for a couple of reasons: firstly, the US nuclear release protocol is even more "loose" than the Russian one (first use policy under more conditions than the Russian one) and secondly because the posture being indicated by the Russians has always been their position (first use if the existence of the state is gravely threatened) so it's hardly news. No it’s hardly news. Leskov literally told the CNN person to read their defence constitution, not changed at all. Both sides are trying to make sure this doesn’t escalate past Ukraine, it’s just NATO and Russia have different aims inside the country! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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