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Wymsey

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1 hour ago, whoareyaaa said:

The kamakaze drones look pretty terrifying what Russia have bought from Iran, wild.

A bit off-topic, but they should be barred from the World Cup - clearly they're a key supplier towards killing innocent civilians.

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4 minutes ago, Wymsey said:

A bit off-topic, but they should be barred from the World Cup - clearly they're a key supplier towards killing innocent civilians.

Bit of a dodgy path to pursue there.. depending on your point of view

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4 hours ago, Wymsey said:

A bit off-topic, but they should be barred from the World Cup - clearly they're a key supplier towards killing innocent civilians.

 

1 hour ago, MPH said:


 

 

you don’t think we are already in that place?

Yep, we are.

 

All the more reason to not further deepen those divides and reduce the chance of a diplomatic solution that might actually stop people dying by engaging in sporting sanctions of this type.

 

Additionally, given history and being even-handed, sanctioning nations in sporting fields for non-sporting reasons would very quickly make a farce of the entire thing.

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11 hours ago, Wymsey said:

A bit off-topic, but they should be barred from the World Cup - clearly they're a key supplier towards killing innocent civilians.

Considering they appear on the verge of a coup/uprising, I think this would send a terrible message to the people of Iran. 
 

Obviously their leadership can FOAD.

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There is clearly an Us Vs Russia situation. We don't want to escalate that to Us Vs Them*. 

 

Iran are selling arms to Russia, we sell arms to Saudi Arabia, they are no different in that respect. They have no real position in this war apart from a mutual dislike of the US. I suspect the trade is more than purely business and will have some geo political interests, but we cannot assume any wrong doing and cannot dictate the terms of their arms trade. As long as it is legal sale of arms we should not get involved. Not least because we would massive hypocrites.

 

*Including but not limited to China, Iran, India

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These Iranian made Shahed drones make a signature buzz due to the two-stroke engines that power them. Just like the ominous buzz bombs/doodlebugs V1s that terrorised London in 1944, the sound must be very ominous. Also like the latter, they are simply a rather unsophisticated form of cruise missile albeit harnessing GPS technology or internal navigation for guidance. The Russians have ordered several thousand of these which can be programmed to fly automatically towards a set of GPS co-ordinates, and carry a formidable 30kg warhead. The comparative ease of use and relatively low cost of about $20,000 apiece, compared with more than $4mn for a cruise missile, mean they can be used in swarms which can make it challenging for limited air defences to stop them. Make no mistake, being Russia, the intention is to target innocent civilian populations and instil fear across the country. One of the many things that they underestimated was the stoical nature and esprit de-corps of the Ukrainian people. As in previous conflicts, Russia has zero qualms when it comes to intentionally killing civilians in an attempt to break the will of resistance.   

 

The increased reliance upon Iran for armaments suggests a depleted state of Russia's own stock of precision weapons. Unlike the Syrian conflict, Tehran has no direct stake in the Ukraine conflict and offered no clear support for Russia’s September 23rd annexation of four Ukrainian provinces. But a heavily sanctioned state will welcome the payments and renewed cooperation with Moscow may grant Iran access to other defence technologies - which is ominous. 

 

The news blackout means something is underway. The likely push is the frontline between Mylove and Snihurivka. I wouldn't rule out a surprise offensive from Zaporizhzhia south to Melitopol. A lightning offensive in Kherson one could inflict heavy casualties on RF and force them to retreat and abandon equipment again. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they could pull off both at the same time, while the Kerch Bridge has been crippled and the RF logistics are in complete disarray.

 

Who knows? We certainly will soon. 

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3 hours ago, Line-X said:

These Iranian made Shahed drones make a signature buzz due to the two-stroke engines that power them. Just like the ominous buzz bombs/doodlebugs V1s that terrorised London in 1944, the sound must be very ominous. Also like the latter, they are simply a rather unsophisticated form of cruise missile albeit harnessing GPS technology or internal navigation for guidance. The Russians have ordered several thousand of these which can be programmed to fly automatically towards a set of GPS co-ordinates, and carry a formidable 30kg warhead. The comparative ease of use and relatively low cost of about $20,000 apiece, compared with more than $4mn for a cruise missile, mean they can be used in swarms which can make it challenging for limited air defences to stop them. Make no mistake, being Russia, the intention is to target innocent civilian populations and instil fear across the country. One of the many things that they underestimated was the stoical nature and esprit de-corps of the Ukrainian people. As in previous conflicts, Russia has zero qualms when it comes to intentionally killing civilians in an attempt to break the will of resistance.   

 

The increased reliance upon Iran for armaments suggests a depleted state of Russia's own stock of precision weapons. Unlike the Syrian conflict, Tehran has no direct stake in the Ukraine conflict and offered no clear support for Russia’s September 23rd annexation of four Ukrainian provinces. But a heavily sanctioned state will welcome the payments and renewed cooperation with Moscow may grant Iran access to other defence technologies - which is ominous. 

 

The news blackout means something is underway. The likely push is the frontline between Mylove and Snihurivka. I wouldn't rule out a surprise offensive from Zaporizhzhia south to Melitopol. A lightning offensive in Kherson one could inflict heavy casualties on RF and force them to retreat and abandon equipment again. At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if they could pull off both at the same time, while the Kerch Bridge has been crippled and the RF logistics are in complete disarray.

 

Who knows? We certainly will soon. 

“Make no mistake, being Russia, the intention is to target innocent civilian populations”

 

I think as well as that they are targeting power stations and other utilities to ensure the Ukrainians suffer as much as possible over the winter. 
 

With regard to the now obvious assault on Kherson   it is a little worrying that a) they are moving civilians to the east/right side of the city/river  b) Mad Vlad in chairing a meeting to discuss ‘neutralising’ the threat  c) the hurried meeting in the US with Wallace and  d) he has put a brutal butcher in overall charge of his forces ..  by moving all civilians the Russia can claim that only soldiers or civilian ‘collaborators’ will be left on the left side ..  so some sort of massive destruction is justifiable ..  
 

The situation is ratcheting up ..  

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Go my left and right muddled up ..
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1 hour ago, Countryfox said:

 

I think as well as that they are targeting power stations and other utilities to ensure the Ukrainians suffer as much as possible over the winter. 

Without doubt. The current campaign has crippled just under a third of its power plants in the last week alone and with the onset of winter, you are absolutely right, this is another tactic. 

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