Cost of living crisis.

[Daggers]

[Bellend Sebastian]

9 minutes ago, Daggers said:

It's true and that's fine

[ealingfox]

I used to think that but I had a glass last year and it was a lot less thick and less sweet than I remembered.

[DennisNedry]

Benefits and pensions to rise by inflation and those recieving them to also receive lump sum payments?

At the same time hiking taxes, particularly on the rich (higher rate threshold, dividends etc etc)

 

Not very Tory is it? 

[Innovindil]

2 minutes ago, DennisNedry said:

Benefits and pensions to rise by inflation and those recieving them to also receive lump sum payments?

At the same time hiking taxes, particularly on the rich (higher rate threshold, dividends etc etc)

 

Not very Tory is it? 

It's almost like they were getting hammered in the polls and need to sweeten the public in a run up to a general election. 

[Tommy G]

1 minute ago, Innovindil said:

It's almost like they were getting hammered in the polls and need to sweeten the public in a run up to a general election. 

I think it's all very doom and gloom, and I expect the Con's will expect they outperform their own predictions with a ''look how good we did'' right before their manifesto pledge ahead of the next general election.

[yorkie1999]

3 minutes ago, DennisNedry said:

Benefits and pensions to rise by inflation and those recieving them to also receive lump sum payments?

At the same time hiking taxes, particularly on the rich (higher rate threshold, dividends etc etc)

 

Not very Tory is it? 

They're not very inventive are they. The problem is all they do is shift money about, they don't actually create any, how about legalising cannibis and making it a government industry, all these growers supply a couple of big factories that bang out packets of 20 TCH , makes money and reduces the police's time because it's not longer a criminal offence. Or, instead of processing all these refugees in Dover and keeping them in hotels at an expense to the tax payer , shift them up to lincolnshire and let them do a few hours a day picking cabbages and stuff, get them to pay something into the system.

[FoxyPV]

[Fazzer 7]

43 minutes ago, DennisNedry said:

Benefits and pensions to rise by inflation and those recieving them to also receive lump sum payments?

At the same time hiking taxes, particularly on the rich (higher rate threshold, dividends etc etc)

 

Not very Tory is it? 

It’s a disgrace. Capital gains tax allowance won’t even be worth having. They want to get 600k back into work whilst doling out more benefits and less incentive to do so. 

[Fazzer 7]

28 minutes ago, FoxyPV said:

Criminal 

[fox_up_north]

I look forward to the council tax rises next year and the improvements to services they will bring

[dsr-burnley]

29 minutes ago, FoxyPV said:

That means bank corporation tax has risen from 27% to 28%.  Not a cut at all, let alone a massive one.

[urban.spaceman]

20 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

That means bank corporation tax has risen from 27% to 28%.  Not a cut at all, let alone a massive one.

Well I'm glad they're getting something they've had a hell of a time.

[fuchsntf]

Just around west Europe about power/services crisis…

Its not at present due to the lack of it…So why should there be massive bills hike around Europe…Their isn’t yet at present a short fall…

So why shouldn’t Govns,help pay for it…( poor investment is their problem)

They supported “ work from home”. Why not this winter support keeping homes warm…

I don’t agree with markets and speculation,they are in todays world corrupt deliberate runs….We turn a blind eye to shareholders divs,because many have stocks/bonds..Why..first you have to have qualified workers,and the laborours.

Many companies really don’t need to go on SE. They can turnover on honest

endeavour and balanced investment…

 

I am lucky I have that extra to pay for power/service increases,but why should we

see the top tier managers are still getting their turnover from the product..

Ukraine imbalance has not yet really hit..So why let the people suffer & why create more food banks..

 

Our problems goes back decades,not on a monthly balance sheet…

People skipping meals in time & quality thereof…I actually don’t know…

Why are we poorer now than ever…

[dsr-burnley]

6 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

 

Why are we poorer now than ever…

That's a good question.  Unfortunately too many of my ancestors are dead, so I can't ask my father how he got such wealth that he could afford to run a car as a fully qualified chartered accountant at age 27 and to rent a TV soon after that, or his father how he managed to accumulate the wealth to rent a house with a flushing outside toilet, or his father how he felt when his holiday entitlement rose from 2 days a year to a full week.  When I post things on the internet via my smartphone before driving off to the airport for another foreign holiday having set the 999-channel TV to record everything I might want to watch, I look back to my ancestors and envy their wealth and possessions.

 

I think.

[fuchsntf]

17 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

That's a good question.  Unfortunately too many of my ancestors are dead, so I can't ask my father how he got such wealth that he could afford to run a car as a fully qualified chartered accountant at age 27 and to rent a TV soon after that, or his father how he managed to accumulate the wealth to rent a house with a flushing outside toilet, or his father how he felt when his holiday entitlement rose from 2 days a year to a full week.  When I post things on the internet via my smartphone before driving off to the airport for another foreign holiday having set the 999-channel TV to record everything I might want to watch, I look back to my ancestors and envy their wealth and possessions.

 

I think.

Hence my sarcasm….

but why employed qualified people,are forced to go to food banks,

Are we ( groups/individuals/Govts)just poorly organised..How can one group of workers from same walk of life even jobs struggling,using food banks,while the same level are going on yearly holidays,with occasional visits to Funkparks…

In all this includes NHS staff & medical workers…And a few living in poor accommodation,is it some sort of imbalance…

[grobyfox1990]

45 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

Just around west Europe about power/services crisis…

Its not at present due to the lack of it…So why should there be massive bills hike around Europe…Their isn’t yet at present a short fall…

So why shouldn’t Govns,help pay for it…( poor investment is their problem)

They supported “ work from home”. Why not this winter support keeping homes warm…

I don’t agree with markets and speculation,they are in todays world corrupt deliberate runs….We turn a blind eye to shareholders divs,because many have stocks/bonds..Why..first you have to have qualified workers,and the laborours.

Many companies really don’t need to go on SE. They can turnover on honest

endeavour and balanced investment…

 

I am lucky I have that extra to pay for power/service increases,but why should we

see the top tier managers are still getting their turnover from the product..

Ukraine imbalance has not yet really hit..So why let the people suffer & why create more food banks..

 

Our problems goes back decades,not on a monthly balance sheet…

People skipping meals in time & quality thereof…I actually don’t know…

Why are we poorer now than ever…

When you build a country based on looted colonial wealth and financialisation of the economy, the looted wealth will eventually run out and the speculators will find someone cheaper to move their money from one trade to another, and it will be time for penance. We enjoyed a genuine post war industrial boom and thought the best thing to do was sell it all off and rely on fickle financial markets who will punish you.

 

Some amazing stats doing the rounds since Truss decided to nuke us. In 1950 the average house price was £65k in TODAYS money, the average age of buying a house was 23, average retirement age 63.9, jobs for life, final salary pensions, average working hours 43.9 v 36.3 today and less productive. We are now at the point of the lowest living standards in the UK for SIX DECADES!!

 

In summary, we have wasted the golden, once-in-a-lifetime, decades of exponential technological growth which have made 99% of routine work programmed, where the prediction was by the 2000s the average person would be working one day a week max and be richer, healthier, smarter and better looking than ever....to be worse off than we were six decades ago.... It find it hard for that to sink in tbh. Whichever way you look at it, we have messed up spectacularly, historically and unforgivably. 

 

OH AND PS - we still have a massive record breaking deficit to deal with LOL

Edited 17 November 2022 by grobyfox1990

[Wolfox]

4 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Aldi mince pies come a very close second to Waitrose's in a new Which? blind taste test.

 

Literally half the price as well

Try those bad boys with icing on top or if you’re feeling flush the giant ones from Costco

 

game changer 

[dsr-burnley]

9 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

When you build a country based on looted colonial wealth and financialisation of the economy, the looted wealth will eventually run out and the speculators will find someone cheaper to move their money from one trade to another, and it will be time for penance. We enjoyed a genuine post war industrial boom and thought the best thing to do was sell it all off and rely on fickle financial markets who will punish you.

 

Some amazing stats doing the rounds since Truss decided to nuke us. In 1950 the average house price was £65k in TODAYS money, the average age of buying a house was 23, average retirement age 63.9, jobs for life, final salary pensions, average working hours 43.9 v 36.3 today and less productive. We are now at the point of the lowest living standards in the UK for SIX DECADES!!

 

In summary, we have wasted the golden, once-in-a-lifetime, decades of exponential technological growth which have made 99% of routine work programmed, where the prediction was by the 2000s the average person would be working one day a week max and be richer, healthier, smarter and better looking than ever....to be worse off than we were six decades ago.... It find it hard for that to sink in tbh. Whichever way you look at it, we have messed up spectacularly, historically and unforgivably. 

 

OH AND PS - we still have a massive record breaking deficit to deal with LOL

Jobs for life and final salary pensions?  I think if you do a survey of the people working in the cotton mills of East Lancashire in 1950, that few of them had jobs for life (since the mills didn;t last long enough) and equally few had final salary pensions.  If the retirement age in 1950 was 63.9 it meant that they had been working full time for over 50 years to get it, and life expectancy was much less so less taxes were needed to pay for it.  The average person is richer and healthier than ever, though as for smarter and better looking I can only speak for myself.   Working one day a week was cloud cuckoo land.  No country has achieved that.

 

And we aren't worse off than we were 6 decades ago.  I'm sure there are people nowadays with no phone, no TV, no internet, no central heating, no inside toilet or bathroom, no heat in the bedroom, no car, no more than 1 week holiday per year (and that in the same county you live in) - but they are exceptions.  To say that living standards now are lower than in 1960, is absurd.

[goose2010]

4 hours ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Aldi mince pies come a very close second to Waitrose's in a new Which? blind taste test.

 

Literally half the price as well

as someone that works in FMCG industry and extremely close to the leading discounter in the UK, I can tell you there is a reason why they taste almost identical....

 

It always makes me laugh when people say they can taste the difference between certain products as the majority of the time there is barely a difference other than the packaging and potentially the salt and sugar content as all have their own guidelines they have to stick to. 

 

The reason they are cheaper 9 times out of 10 is down to the volumes and profit margin. 

 

The market share for the discounters is growing at a huge rate and i am sure it will continue in the current climate. Aldi have recently broken into the top 4 pushing Morrisons to 5th. Lidl are 6th over taking the Coop.

 

Personally, i have no idea why people don't do their shopping at either Aldi or Lidl they are still cheaper than the others and they always will be. 

Edited 17 November 2022 by goose2010

[Legend_in_blue]

2 hours ago, fox_up_north said:

I look forward to the council tax rises next year and the improvements to services they will bring

We can hopefully employ two police commissioners, rather than one, across all areas the country because the difference these people make is massive.  Also, perhaps Coalville can have its fireworks back.

[grobyfox1990]

8 minutes ago, dsr-burnley said:

Jobs for life and final salary pensions?  I think if you do a survey of the people working in the cotton mills of East Lancashire in 1950, that few of them had jobs for life (since the mills didn;t last long enough) and equally few had final salary pensions.  If the retirement age in 1950 was 63.9 it meant that they had been working full time for over 50 years to get it, and life expectancy was much less so less taxes were needed to pay for it.  The average person is richer and healthier than ever, though as for smarter and better looking I can only speak for myself.   Working one day a week was cloud cuckoo land.  No country has achieved that.

 

And we aren't worse off than we were 6 decades ago.  I'm sure there are people nowadays with no phone, no TV, no internet, no central heating, no inside toilet or bathroom, no heat in the bedroom, no car, no more than 1 week holiday per year (and that in the same county you live in) - but they are exceptions.  To say that living standards now are lower than in 1960, is absurd.

Hahah i'm glad someone picked up on the better looking part! Luckily I have benefited from this as well..

 

You are picking a specific sector and geography to disprove my point, the vast majority of the real economy had employees in place for >90% of their working life = jobs for life. Pension products again were majority final salary. Again you're probably concentrating on a tiny subset but the average age of starting work in the UK real economy in 1950 was not 13.9 lol. Working one day a week is absolutely not cloud cuckoo land. Having a TV, central heating, inside toilet or bathroom, heat in the bedroom, car, more than 1 week holiday per year was......and guess what happened.....

 

You absolutely cannot compare the country in 1950 to what we have now, ignoring unprecedented, exponential and meteoric technological advancements and the fact only 1 in 2 women had jobs back then, to say we have it good now and shouldn't complain now because i can take a sh1t inside a house and whatsapp a meme to my uncle. Well you can but you'd be mental. At work if i am given exponentially more budget and resource, i am expected to deliver exponential results, not say 'it was worse before so be happy!!' 

[grobyfox1990]

2 hours ago, dsr-burnley said:

That means bank corporation tax has risen from 27% to 28%.  Not a cut at all, let alone a massive one.

It is an expected cut. Models baked in a 6% rise to overall bank tax liabilities and they're now facing a 1% increase instead. Hence bank shares have majority risen >1% today. They've had a 5% expected tax cut

[dsr-burnley]

5 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

Hahah i'm glad someone picked up on the better looking part! Luckily I have benefited from this as well..

 

You are picking a specific sector and geography to disprove my point, the vast majority of the real economy had employees in place for >90% of their working life = jobs for life. Pension products again were majority final salary. Again you're probably concentrating on a tiny subset but the average age of starting work in the UK real economy in 1950 was not 13.9 lol. Working one day a week is absolutely not cloud cuckoo land. Having a TV, central heating, inside toilet or bathroom, heat in the bedroom, car, more than 1 week holiday per year was......and guess what happened.....

 

You absolutely cannot compare the country in 1950 to what we have now, ignoring unprecedented, exponential and meteoric technological advancements and the fact only 1 in 2 women had jobs back then, to say we have it good now and shouldn't complain now because i can take a [deleted] inside a house and whatsapp a meme to my uncle. Well you can but you'd be mental. At work if i am given exponentially more budget and resource, i am expected to deliver exponential results, not say 'it was worse before so be happy!!' 

People who retired in 1950 didn't start work in 1950.  They started work 50 or so years earlier, and in 1900 the standard school leaving age was 12.

 

The largest industry in that era was shipbuilding/metalwork, followed by mining, followed by cotton (about a couple of million, just in those three industries).  None of those people had jobs for life, and few of them had final salary pensions.  Labourers, even skilled labourers, didn't.  In 1950 they might have believed they had jobs for life, but few of them did.

 

If what you're saying is that living standards now are better than they were, but not as good as they should be, that's a fair comment and can be argued.  But to say they are worse now than then, that's a nonsense.  Sorry.

[yorkie1999]

57 minutes ago, grobyfox1990 said:

When you build a country based on looted colonial wealth and financialisation of the economy, the looted wealth will eventually run out and the speculators will find someone cheaper to move their money from one trade to another, and it will be time for penance. We enjoyed a genuine post war industrial boom and thought the best thing to do was sell it all off and rely on fickle financial markets who will punish you.

 

Some amazing stats doing the rounds since Truss decided to nuke us. In 1950 the average house price was £65k in TODAYS money, the average age of buying a house was 23, average retirement age 63.9, jobs for life, final salary pensions, average working hours 43.9 v 36.3 today and less productive. We are now at the point of the lowest living standards in the UK for SIX DECADES!!

 

In summary, we have wasted the golden, once-in-a-lifetime, decades of exponential technological growth which have made 99% of routine work programmed, where the prediction was by the 2000s the average person would be working one day a week max and be richer, healthier, smarter and better looking than ever....to be worse off than we were six decades ago.... It find it hard for that to sink in tbh. Whichever way you look at it, we have messed up spectacularly, historically and unforgivably. 

 

OH AND PS - we still have a massive record breaking deficit to deal with LOL

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