sdb Posted 22 August 2022 Share Posted 22 August 2022 He knows he's not wanted and can walk for free in 10 months. Big contract incoming and reputation in tact because, effectively, one (increasingly clueless) manager didn't fancy him. It'll work out fine for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hamilton Fox Posted 22 August 2022 Share Posted 22 August 2022 As much as I want Amartey out the team, if soyunchu you is getting rippped like that by vestergaard and god knows what else in training maybe there just isn’t any justification that he’s going to be any good back in the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post LCCFox96 Posted 22 August 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 22 August 2022 I thought Soyuncu had a decent end to last season and salvaged a little bit of form. I do not understand why he's behind Amartey in the pecking order. Amartey is your man if you want a solid, dependable enough 4th/5th choice CB. We know what Amartey's limitations are and one of them - composure on the ball and ball playing ability - is one Soyuncu's strengths. The Soyuncu-Evans partnership pre-Covid was also our most successful defensive period in recent times, albeit it was a few seasons ago. Soyuncu is a better player than Amartey, his strengths suit our style of play more, and he has a higher ceiling. Rodgers knows that. Ergo it must be a contractual issue or a disagreement between player and manager. Another thing on a long list that needs sorting either way very sharpish. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SixtiesFox Posted 22 August 2022 Share Posted 22 August 2022 Soyuncu is a specialist central defender who we all know can play on the left in a successful partnership with Evans. We saw it for a year and were laughing all the way to the bank after selling Maguire. Amartey is a useful utility/squad player and a converted midfielder who, therefore, lacks a defender's instincts. He is also uncomfortable playing on the left. Not playing Soyuncu makes absolutely no sense at all. He backed out of a tackle? Give me a break! And what has Praet done wrong? He probably made it clear to Rodgers that he wanted to play. Vindictiveness on Rodger's part? Make no mistake this guy is taking us down! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SafewayFox Posted 22 August 2022 Share Posted 22 August 2022 37 minutes ago, LCCFox96 said: I thought Soyuncu had a decent end to last season and salvaged a little bit of form. I do not understand why he's behind Amartey in the pecking order. Amartey is your man if you want a solid, dependable enough 4th/5th choice CB. We know what Amartey's limitations are and one of them - composure on the ball and ball playing ability - is one Soyuncu's strengths. The Soyuncu-Evans partnership pre-Covid was also our most successful defensive period in recent times, albeit it was a few seasons ago. Soyuncu is a better player than Amartey, his strengths suit our style of play more, and he has a higher ceiling. Rodgers knows that. Ergo it must be a contractual issue or a disagreement between player and manager. Another thing on a long list that needs sorting either way very sharpish. Absolutely spot on. People are happily glossing over a few much improved performances for us at the latter stages of the season. Surely that should put “some credit in the bank” so to speak. Big Dan on the other hand is so passive, been at fault for over half of our goals this season and genuinely a poor CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 22 August 2022 Share Posted 22 August 2022 Soyuncu is an example of absence makes better, but he isn’t, he was occasionally improved (from utter toilet) later last season, but still poor at Amartey levels. Amartey poor Soyuncu poor Jannick also poor Why pick anyone over the other? No idea, attitude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 22 August 2022 Share Posted 22 August 2022 Just now, pmcla26 said: I'd pick Soyuncu first because he's proven for us, that with Evans, he can do it. Jannick would be second, as he's proven that he can do it in the Premier League in spells, with Southampton. Amartey would be last resort for me, as he's never proven himself to be good enough for us in a pairing (he can be okay on the right side of a back 3 occasionally). I get what you are saying about Soyuncu, at his best he is miles ahead of the alternatives, but those times are long past, as ever since the Euro’s he has been below his best. Guess I just feel a lot of the judgements are historical rather than contemporary - which is now way to select a player Hey, wouldn’t be the first time I am wrong and won’t be the last. Certaunly hopes he gets back to his best, no question about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfc_forever Posted 22 August 2022 Share Posted 22 August 2022 1 hour ago, Dahnsouff said: I get what you are saying about Soyuncu, at his best he is miles ahead of the alternatives, but those times are long past, as ever since the Euro’s he has been below his best. Guess I just feel a lot of the judgements are historical rather than contemporary - which is now way to select a player Hey, wouldn’t be the first time I am wrong and won’t be the last. Certaunly hopes he gets back to his best, no question about that Against Brentford at home, Soyuncu was superb, like his form in H1 of 19/20 and most of 20/21. He's got it in the locker, while Amartey doesn't. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tielemans63 Posted 22 August 2022 Share Posted 22 August 2022 He's miles better than Dan. Pick him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingsX Posted 22 August 2022 Share Posted 22 August 2022 2 hours ago, Dahnsouff said: Soyuncu is an example of absence makes better, but he isn’t There’s a maxim in American football: “The backup quarterback is the best player on the team” Simply meaning, the high-priced guy who isn’t playing is the fans’ golden boy … until he starts playing. FWIW, I think Cags is at least better than Amartey, and suits our play better. Either BR disagrees or someone above him thinks we're about to get a decent price for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 22 August 2022 Share Posted 22 August 2022 so no links to anywhere then ?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sm1 Posted 22 August 2022 Share Posted 22 August 2022 Cags was magnificent when he played alongside Evans in a settled back 4. Last season he played alongside Dan and Vesty for a large part without any of our 1st choice fullbacks fit. I remember one incident when he steps up to play the striker offside, but Dan's loitering around playing everyone onside leading to a goal. Yes, he's not turned out as good as many had thought and his progress has stalled, but he's still plenty good enough to play if Fofana doesn't want to. We've conceded 8 goals in 3 games so defence hasn't improved any in his absence. No doubt he'll leave for free at the end of the season and have a pretty decent career I'd guess, but whilst he's here, we should use him. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Posted 22 August 2022 Share Posted 22 August 2022 27 minutes ago, Tielemans63 said: He's miles better than Dan. Pick him. That's not saying much though. Amartey couldn't pour water out a jug if you told him the instructions are on the bottom. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JamesWelshFox Posted 26 August 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 26 August 2022 Cags and Brendan is a bad combo. Brendan is all about challenging players, whereas despite appearances Cags is one who needs a hug from his manager. There is a class centre back in there, but Cags confidence has evaporated over the last 18 months. As much as I like Big Dan and appreciate him in the role of versatile bench warmer, Cags should be starting alongside Evans. Can't say I am a fan of this whole ball playing centre backs idea, as long as they win the ball, just give it to midfield and let them progress the play up the pitch and with a bit more pace than uncomfortable centre defenders tentatively walking it up the pitch whilst the opposition get every man back behind the ball. Delay the opposition when in defence on transition move it with pace before they get set into their defensive patterns. Cmon Brendan sort it out mate. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volpeazzurro Posted 26 August 2022 Share Posted 26 August 2022 Evans and Soyuncu was a very solid partnership at one time until Brent started experimenting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolhandfox Posted 26 August 2022 Share Posted 26 August 2022 54 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said: Evans and Soyuncu was a very solid partnership at one time until Brent started experimenting. You do realise they only come together under Rodgers? Soyuncu didn't get much of a kick under anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 27 August 2022 Share Posted 27 August 2022 6 hours ago, coolhandfox said: You do realise they only come together under Rodgers? Soyuncu didn't get much of a kick under anyone else. The age of facts is over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volpeazzurro Posted 27 August 2022 Share Posted 27 August 2022 6 hours ago, coolhandfox said: You do realise they only come together under Rodgers? Soyuncu didn't get much of a kick under anyone else. We had Maguire of course but he only got his chance after he went. Benkovic was injured (again) and so I think Rodgers had to play him by default, I don't think it was a Rodgers masterstroke! He hadn't played him before much if at all. He immediately started playing well next to Evans (as did Maguire). Ironically, it was perhaps Evans that United needed 🤣. For me, Soyuncu's fall from form also falls at the feet of Rodgers sticking him out on the extreme left of a three where he struggled and lost confidence. He'll still make a really good centre half for someone I believe. Sometimes the answers are right under your nose. I think Bassy recently got mom for Ajax also. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrsJohnMurphy Posted 27 August 2022 Share Posted 27 August 2022 40 minutes ago, volpeazzurro said: We had Maguire of course but he only got his chance after he went. Benkovic was injured (again) and so I think Rodgers had to play him by default, I don't think it was a Rodgers masterstroke! He hadn't played him before much if at all. He immediately started playing well next to Evans (as did Maguire). Ironically, it was perhaps Evans that United needed 🤣. For me, Soyuncu's fall from form also falls at the feet of Rodgers sticking him out on the extreme left of a three where he struggled and lost confidence. He'll still make a really good centre half for someone I believe. Sometimes the answers are right under your nose. I think Bassy recently got mom for Ajax also. We wanted Bassey to stay....AS A CENTRE BACK....he wanted to play LB so moved to Rangers, guess which position he played to earn his move to Ajax? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grebfromgrebland Posted 27 August 2022 Share Posted 27 August 2022 Let's fix Soyunchu please 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jv1 Posted 27 August 2022 Share Posted 27 August 2022 Get him in the team 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn Claw II Posted 27 August 2022 Share Posted 27 August 2022 It’s him, Armarty or Vestegard to partner Evans. Cags has at least show patches of being miles better than the other two. BR needs to play to the strengths we now have, personally I think that’s defending deeper and protect the back 4. i think Ball playing CBs are quite frankly the least of our worries 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfc sheff Posted 27 August 2022 Share Posted 27 August 2022 Soyuncu and Demiral would be a solid and sensible partnership for us. Right kind of age group and without downplaying us too much they are probable the right kind of players for our level as a team… meaning perhaps no fear of them doing a fofana/ Mahrez 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
volpeazzurro Posted 27 August 2022 Share Posted 27 August 2022 40 minutes ago, Finn Claw II said: It’s him, Armarty or Vestegard to partner Evans. Cags has at least show patches of being miles better than the other two. BR needs to play to the strengths we now have, personally I think that’s defending deeper and protect the back 4. i think Ball playing CBs are quite frankly the least of our worries Brent will probably compound the problems by playing 3 of them rather than 2 decent one's protected by more able midfielders. With Rodgers, it's system before sense, philosophy before practicality. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 27 August 2022 Share Posted 27 August 2022 Just now, volpeazzurro said: Brent will probably compound the problems by playing 3 of them rather than 2 decent one's protected by more able midfielders. With Rodgers, it's system before sense, philosophy before practicality. Hopefully the 2 or 3 would depend on if a RW of suitable quality arrives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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