Soyuncu

[Finnegan]

1 minute ago, LFox99 said:

How's that become the narrative on here? Brendan was quite clear about Soyuncu just not showing enough in training. Why should he play?

 

But how has it come to that? How did Soyuncu go from being one of the brightest and most promising centre backs in the Premier League and an absolute cult hero here to being a confidence-shot, head-gone, low-effort bench warmer?

 

I'd be willing to accept that maybe he is just a flawed personality and actually probably he just doesn't have the brain to be an elite level footballer if it wasn't for the fact that consistently under Rodgers' tenure players have dropped in to slumps of low confidence and morale hadn't just generally been terrible around our performances consistently for about the last 18 months.

 

Its' Rodgers' job to handle these guys and to get them fired up and wanting to fight for the cause, whether it's their first day at the club or they're in their last season it shouldn't matter. I had this rant the other day, earlier in this thread, that's what management means. The FA qualifies a whole host of new A licence coaches every year, we could hire any one of them to come and drill the team if that's all that maters. Rodgers is supposed to be being employed to actually effectively manage the squad on a human, personal level as well. Where's the evidence he's done that?

[The_77]

Just now, Sly said:

Erm ……. Why? Because he chucked a flag over his shoulder. 
 

Blokes a liability and not good enough for what we aspire for. The fact we persist with him and have destroyed a good prospect in Soyuncu is criminal. 

Lighten up. 

[Lambert09]

I feel like we would regret letting him go to wolves. I’m hoping he stays, we get a new manager who gives him a huge boost and he signs a new deal. 

 

On his day he is 10x the player dawson is. So even though dawson is what we need right now, It doesn’t feel smart business 

[Haywood_6]

I'm convinced Soyuncu would get his confidence back under another manager. He's a top player when he's in form

[Sly]

Just now, The_77 said:

Lighten up. 

Amartey needs cutting loose. 
 

Isn’t good enough, never has been. 
 

The 5th choice centre back is meant to be a younger prospect, not someone picking up a first team wage. It’s this approach that partially has us in the mess we’re in. 

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, Haywood_6 said:

I'm convinced Soyuncu would get his confidence back under another manager. He's a top player when he's in form

He could not do it over months away with Turkey

[Reg Vardy]

Forums a bundle of fun this afternoon, saving our energy for tonight’s game…..

[Sly]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

He could not do it over months away with Turkey

He’s shot but he needs an arm around his shoulder to rebuild him. 
 

We’ve been at that previously, taking broken players and maximising them to full potential. 

 

[Sly]

Just now, Reg Vardy said:

Forums a bundle of fun this afternoon, saving our energy for tonight’s game…..

Wait until we start the match thread 

[Corky]

11 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

No but it absolutely is Rodgers' fault if that's the reason he's freezing players out.

 

When a footballer signs a contract it's an agreement between club and player that that footballer will be with you for X number of years. Why on Earth would you stop playing a player just because he's reached X+1 and doesn't want to extend? Footballers are allowed to want to try new things and move to other clubs, you don't waste an asset just because he only wants to do the agreed upon period of time.

 

It's absolutely insane.

Didn't Rodgers himself have to convince the squad of his own commitment when the Man Utd links were strong last year?

 

The manager is a career coach and the players probably look at it and question why they should be different.

[Mickyblueeyes]

I dont want Cags to go....

[Sambiasso]

17 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

That doesn't work as Dawson is at West Ham and was only being let go to Wolves if West Ham got Bednarek.

 

We should let him go and get Loic Bade in.

Going Forest on loan
 

 

[FosseSpark]

He was in the Premier league team of the year literally a year ago. It's a massive downfall. I think it was the ass whooping they got at the euros and he never recovered. But the manager should have been able to help sort that.

[CrispinLA in Texas]

Soyuncu was immense in both seasons we finished 5th and he was touted as being a future star at elite club. Remember there was talk that he will one day go to one of Europe's top clubs

[FoxyLeon]

 

The last time he actually played, alongside Evans, he was the best centre half in the league along with Van Dijk. The fact we haven't played they together since, is just bizarre.

[Mickyblueeyes]

2 minutes ago, Sambiasso said:

Going Forest on loan
 

 

Loic Bade is a good player. Even I know that. On loan. ****ing Hell. There is something up here, big time. 

[wardyfox86]

2 minutes ago, FosseSpark said:

He was in the Premier league team of the year literally a year ago. It's a massive downfall. I think it was the ass whooping they got at the euros and he never recovered. But the manager should have been able to help sort that.

Brendan has been too busy sulking and feeling sorry for himself to help anyone else.

 

Have you heard his recent conferences, the guy sounds utterly fed up, needs letting go.

[Reg Vardy]

Cags went downhill big time after slotting someone at Bournemouth in that 4-1 thriller…..Rogers watches him daily, along with coaches….I find it unbelievable that if he is brilliant in attitude and training we wouldn’t play him, and find it hard most people on here think they are better placed than the management team…..

[Corky]

1 minute ago, Reg Vardy said:

Cags went downhill big time after slotting someone at Bournemouth in that 4-1 thriller…..Rogers watches him daily, along with coaches….I find it unbelievable that if he is brilliant in attitude and training we wouldn’t play him, and find it hard most people on here think they are better placed than the management team…..

Iheanacho was brilliant for months and Rodgers struggled to get enthused by it. Hell, the most annoyed he's been after a match was a game we win 3-0.

 

The bloke has his own agendas too.

[Reg Vardy]

He is the boss……

[Corky]

1 minute ago, Reg Vardy said:

He is the boss……

He is. It doesn't mean he has the same approach and standards across the board, though.

[An Sionnach]

4 minutes ago, Reg Vardy said:

Cags went downhill big time after slotting someone at Bournemouth in that 4-1 thriller…..Rogers watches him daily, along with coaches….I find it unbelievable that if he is brilliant in attitude and training we wouldn’t play him, and find it hard most people on here think they are better placed than the management team…..

The management team that has us at the bottom of the table you mean. I wish people would stop believing that these comedians know what they are doing. Just about all "management teams" fall flat on their faces in the end.

[Reg Vardy]

So let me get this right, you haven’t seen Cags play for months, Rogers, ex manager of Liverpool and Celtic, Coach at Chelsea, watches him every day….and doesn’t pick him….comedian he might be, but he is better placed than your good self to make that decision….

[An Away Move]

19 minutes ago, Reg Vardy said:

Cags went downhill big time after slotting someone at Bournemouth in that 4-1 thriller…..Rogers watches him daily, along with coaches….I find it unbelievable that if he is brilliant in attitude and training we wouldn’t play him, and find it hard most people on here think they are better placed than the management team…..

My gut feeling is that the management team aren’t able to get the best out of him and he’s kind of given up. He looks depressed to me. I’m convinced a manager who can put an arm round him can get him playing near full potential again. Rodgers publicly inferring that he’s not committed to the club by not signing a new contract is a also a betrayal of trust, which cannot help.  

[An Sionnach]

2 minutes ago, Reg Vardy said:

So let me get this right, you haven’t seen Cags play for months, Rogers, ex manager of Liverpool and Celtic, Coach at Chelsea, watches him every day….and doesn’t pick him….comedian he might be, but he is better placed than your good self to make that decision….

Rodgers is typical of a lot of management these days , theoreticians who haven't done the job themselves. He has so much theoretical knowledge , he is disappearing up his own backside. There is plenty of recorded evidence of Soyuncu's ability but Rodgers has somehow ruined his motivation.