Popular Post Pliskin Posted 9 January 2023 Popular Post Share Posted 9 January 2023 56 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Pretty confident that rodgers wouldn’t have tried to make peace with cags unless it suits him. He knows that keeping cags means he doesn’t have to spend on a CB replacement for him. He froze him out for six months when the squad needed him motivated and playing well. Both have been in the wrong… it’s clear Cags downed tools, and it did seem to coincide with the departure of his mate Under… but Brendan should have managed the situation much better. Rather that isolate him he should have had these chats sooner rather than later. A fully fit and on board Cags is one of the best players at the club. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob666 Posted 9 January 2023 Share Posted 9 January 2023 1 hour ago, NasPb said: BINGO! Rodgers is an opportunist. Like the blair of football. (not on a personal level of course, rodgers isnt responsible for the murder of millions of innocent people world wide there's still time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimJams Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 He's definitely off. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jazzy_Jeff Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 Simeone leaving Athletico at end of the season according to reports in Spain. would explain if there’s been a u-turn. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taupe Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 4 hours ago, JimJams said: He's definitely off. Yep, we could even just be talking up a situation to get a few more quid this window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NasPb Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 12 hours ago, Pliskin said: Both have been in the wrong… it’s clear Cags downed tools, and it did seem to coincide with the departure of his mate Under… but Brendan should have managed the situation much better. Rather that isolate him he should have had these chats sooner rather than later. A fully fit and on board Cags is one of the best players at the club. agreed. But you know, rain falls from the sky. Youve got to blame the one with the more inherent power (rodgers) first. I think well look back at soyuncus time here with dissapointment. about what could have been Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 9 minutes ago, NasPb said: agreed. But you know, rain falls from the sky. Youve got to blame the one with the more inherent power (rodgers) first. I think well look back at soyuncus time here with dissapointment. about what could have been But equally Cags needs to look at himself for downing tools. Like I’ve said both carry the can somewhat. But Cags has let us down by acting like a gibbon. It’s not like he was busting a guy for us when he did play. If he sorts these issues out, pens a new deal and plays well we will benefit massively, because he is a great player. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NasPb Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 30 minutes ago, Pliskin said: But equally Cags needs to look at himself for downing tools. Like I’ve said both carry the can somewhat. But Cags has let us down by acting like a gibbon. It’s not like he was busting a guy for us when he did play. If he sorts these issues out, pens a new deal and plays well we will benefit massively, because he is a great player. Agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It'sblueupnorth Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 42 minutes ago, Pliskin said: But equally Cags needs to look at himself for downing tools. Like I’ve said both carry the can somewhat. But Cags has let us down by acting like a gibbon. It’s not like he was busting a guy for us when he did play. If he sorts these issues out, pens a new deal and plays well we will benefit massively, because he is a great player. Well yes he does but could you see a player downing tools for klopp or guardiola without them being shipped out at the first available transfer window? The fact he’s been allowed to mope and sulk is entirely on Rodgers and the fact they’ve only now reportedly had clear the air talks speaks volumes, he’s allowed soyuncus value to plummet whilst moaning about transfers and funds available. And whilst the sale of cags for 10-15 million in the summer wouldn’t move mountains it gets a player and wages off the books whilst sending a message to the rest of the squad. A good manager would have had clear the air talks after a couple of weeks max of him downing tools and made it clear in a respectable way that he either bucks up his ideas or he’ll be sold at the earliest opportunity. On his day, soyuncu is one of the best cbs in the league, he’s been completely mismanaged and sapped of any confidence he has, there’s no wonder he can’t be arsed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Le Renard Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 (edited) I liked Soyuncu and thought he was a good defender for 18 months, but he's downed tools, and some on here are too forgiving. I just think maybe it is his cult status among some that enables him to be too easily forgiven. Could you imagine the hate if someone like Chilwell had done this, or if Maddison was to down tools? Oh wait, Chilwell sort of took his foot of the pedal a bit, but not to the extent of Soyuncu, and Chilwell got way more hate, whilst Cags gets the "good luck mate on your future", "it is Rodgers fault", "don't go all is forgiven". Personally I wouldn't give Soyuncu "the steam off my s**t", he's let this club down, he's a paid professional by the club, and he's not behaved like it for the past year. You can argue that it is not all his fault, but where does this misguided sympathy come from..... the hatred of Rodgers? I have never liked most of my bosses at work, but I just got on with it......surely it must be easier if you're paid a million+ a year, to swallow your pride? Edited 10 January 2023 by Le Renard 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLAN Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 Even easier if you earn more as the manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 1 hour ago, It'sblueupnorth said: Well yes he does but could you see a player downing tools for klopp or guardiola without them being shipped out at the first available transfer window? The fact he’s been allowed to mope and sulk is entirely on Rodgers and the fact they’ve only now reportedly had clear the air talks speaks volumes, he’s allowed soyuncus value to plummet whilst moaning about transfers and funds available. And whilst the sale of cags for 10-15 million in the summer wouldn’t move mountains it gets a player and wages off the books whilst sending a message to the rest of the squad. A good manager would have had clear the air talks after a couple of weeks max of him downing tools and made it clear in a respectable way that he either bucks up his ideas or he’ll be sold at the earliest opportunity. On his day, soyuncu is one of the best cbs in the league, he’s been completely mismanaged and sapped of any confidence he has, there’s no wonder he can’t be arsed People need to get some perspective. He is an adult with a job ffs, get the hell on with it! Brendan treats you mean! Cry me a river, bosses can be, do your best so you can gtfo. The number of excuses for Caglar is just bizarre but can only assume it is man easy stick to beat Rodgers with (Who has quit enough already to be honest) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UHDrive Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 31 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: People need to get some perspective. He is an adult with a job ffs, get the hell on with it! Brendan treats you mean! Cry me a river, bosses can be, do your best so you can gtfo. The number of excuses for Caglar is just bizarre but can only assume it is man easy stick to beat Rodgers with (Who has quit enough already to be honest) Bosses might be mean but it's fairly obvious that cags and rodgers have had a disagreement or two (if anyone can verify how many that is). Point being its Rodgers issue to sort out, its called man management and he has shown that he's completely incapable of it. If he'd have had these talks in the beginning and moving on instead of benching him for the better part of 18 months whilst seeing his value plummet as well then we'd all be better off right now imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, UHDrive said: Bosses might be mean but it's fairly obvious that cags and rodgers have had a disagreement or two (if anyone can verify how many that is). Point being its Rodgers issue to sort out, its called man management and he has shown that he's completely incapable of it. If he'd have had these talks in the beginning and moving on instead of benching him for the better part of 18 months whilst seeing his value plummet as well then we'd all be better off right now imo. Nope. No one person sorts out a conflict, its a joint effort. Compromise is key, it always is, and without knowing the details we can only assume and write the story to fit our agendas Edited 10 January 2023 by Dahnsouff 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UHDrive Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 2 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Nope. No one person sorts out a conflic, its a joint effort. Compromise is key, it always is, and without knowing the details we can only assume and write the story to fit our agendas I agree with the compromises but in reality what brendan says goes and he has the final decision over all players and can he can bench them as and when he pleases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 1 minute ago, UHDrive said: I agree with the compromises but in reality what brendan says goes and he has the final decision over all players and can he can bench them as and when he pleases. Of course, totally agree with that, he picks who he likes, but that does not define WHY he would pick A over B, we assume It can only be a good thing if he is back under consideration, but proof is in the pudding here I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UHDrive Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Of course, totally agree with that, he picks who he likes, but that does not define WHY he would pick A over B, we assume It can only be a good thing if he is back under consideration, but proof is in the pudding here I think Totally agree. Cags has been known to have a fiery temper so I doubt that would help Rodgers stubbornness (or any manager to be fair) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westernpark Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 All this making up business between the two just demonstrates(if true) that Rodgers is not great at man management. He was one of our best players and the fact we’ve been reduced to playing Amartey(one of my favourite players, but a back up), is criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FosseSpark Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 Yep. If a club routinely suffers players downing tools then its the manager and his personal approach thats to blame. Its ok when you can just bring in someone else, but you look like a twat when you cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriderHiryu Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 Joao Felix going to Chelsea might give Atletico the funds to bring him in now. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 6 hours ago, taupe said: Yep, we could even just be talking up a situation to get a few more quid this window. i think its just as likely that his people are talking to us about a new deal to set a floor on the salary they can demand at his new club ...... no intention to stay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 10 January 2023 Share Posted 10 January 2023 21 hours ago, themightyfin said: Apparently has clear the air talks with BR and a truce has been called. Let's see what happens. If he starts getting games it may not be the end of his time here. Nothing is off the table. If true, what’s taken it so bloody long to happen!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 11 January 2023 Share Posted 11 January 2023 On 08/01/2023 at 11:28, Foxxed said: If he becomes a star at Athletico are we going to blame Rodgers for not playing him or just say "it was one of those things". ..obviously not happy being here, he needs to go, wish him all the best!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 11 January 2023 Share Posted 11 January 2023 On 09/01/2023 at 17:54, Ric Flair said: He is the best central defender at the club, Faes may in time be better than him but I'd be delighted if he signed a new deal. ...what would have been the cause for the talks between Cags and Rodgers!!! The possibility that AM wants him as opposed to Acrington Stanley may have forced Rodgers to address the existing issue. Going to a much poorer team would have rubber stamped Rodgers opinion of him but if a coach such as Simeone sees him as an answer to their backline then Rodgers judgment might not be all he believes it to be. I cannot see him signing a new contract, unless the problem or the person causing the problem was no longer going to be a feature in his life. The amount of money Cags has lost by not signing a contract, just proved how desperate he was to get away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 11 January 2023 Share Posted 11 January 2023 On 10/01/2023 at 10:32, Pliskin said: But equally Cags needs to look at himself for downing tools. Like I’ve said both carry the can somewhat. But Cags has let us down by acting like a gibbon. It’s not like he was busting a guy for us when he did play. If he sorts these issues out, pens a new deal and plays well we will benefit massively, because he is a great player. ...anyone who has been criticised unduly in their eyes, will become demotivated!!! It is hard to give anything back to the person who has publicly questioned your ability or application. The slightest thing will bring this back to the fore, he needs to be away from this situation and enjoy walking into work every day once again, there is no joy in working with someone you do not respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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