Fox92 Posted 2 December 2021 Share Posted 2 December 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Scotch said: A football team is more than what we see on the pitch. You NEED senior players in the dressing room and around the young lads. We lost Morgan and Fichs in the summer. That two influential figures in the dressing room that can help nurture the young talent we have. Two young FBs like JJ and Thomas are going to grow faster as players with guys like Bertrand and Fuchs around them. Admittedly, I was hoping for more from Bertrand ON the pitch but if we aren't getting that we atleast should be milking them for their influence and using it to show our younger players what is expected of them as professionals. Not doubting you don't but there's a difference between players like Morgan and Fuchs, players who have won with us and been here for years, and Bertrand coming in from another club. Although we don't see what goes on behind closed doors anyway. People always mention the experience thing but it's strange how the top clubs don't just bring in older players "for the dressing room" (aside from Silva at Chelsea but tbf he plays every week also). I'm guessing as much as you are. Edited 2 December 2021 by Fox92 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigga Posted 2 December 2021 Share Posted 2 December 2021 13 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ....not going to agree with the 'lazy" label!! But you are right that with Ndidi in the midfield he should not be struggling as he is. I don't think he sees tracking back and getting involved in the defence as part of his remit just as he does not view getting in the box as part of his remit as well. Rodgers is asking for something that he does not naturally bring to the team and he (Soumare) is in two minds about his own game, and what is required of him. So far we have only seen occasional moments of potential, we need to see the real Soumare and I do not think Rodgers can see who he is, instead of what he thinks he could be. That’s all fair enough and maybe we do t understand what his role is.. but he’s certainly not this box to box player that we were told.. (1 goal in 70 odd games told us that anyway.) last night he simply gave nothing energy wise… early in the Watford game he was nowhere near sissoko bursts into the box either.. he’s carrying weight to me.. but that shouldn’t stop him from at least trying.. watch the first half back , Southampton attacks in our Pen area, he’s not on his toes, waiting to react or attacking balls, he’s simply just stood there.. not what you want from a CM. will be more than glad to see KDH get some games now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotch Posted 2 December 2021 Share Posted 2 December 2021 42 minutes ago, Fox92 said: Not doubting you don't but there's a difference between players like Morgan and Fuchs, players who have won with us and been here for years, and Bertrand coming in from another club. Although we don't see what goes on behind closed doors anyway. People always mention the experience thing but it's strange how the top clubs don't just bring in older players "for the dressing room" (aside from Silva at Chelsea but tbf he plays every week also). I'm guessing as much as you are. I'm guessing that the aim would have been to bring in players who yes, were experienced and professional in how they hold themselves but who could also contribute on the pitch. That would have been the hope for Bertrand and Vestegaard... I don't think anyone could predict just how bad they would have been. Both have been poor signings so far, I don't think anyone could deny that but I totally see why they were brought in. On paper they looked like good signings, Bertrand in particular. It just hasn't turned out that way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filbertway Posted 2 December 2021 Share Posted 2 December 2021 You never write a player off this early. I don't see how anyone can say he will be good or bad for us in the long term as he's barely played in the grand scheme of things. There's enough there to know he's got a bit, but they've got to work with him on the training ground, I'd seriously be looking to play him in the U23s till I was happy that he understands the importance of putting in a shift and being focused.. Not as punishment, but purely to prevent our first team from suffering as a result of his regular lapses in concentration. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 2 December 2021 Share Posted 2 December 2021 Just now, Scotch said: I'm guessing that the aim would have been to bring in players who yes, were experienced and professional in how they hold themselves but who could also contribute on the pitch. That would have been the hope for Bertrand and Vestegaard... I don't think anyone could predict just how bad they would have been. Both have been poor signings so far, I don't think anyone could deny that but I totally see why they were brought in. On paper they looked like good signings, Bertrand in particular. It just hasn't turned out that way. Exactly my thinking too 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farrington fox Posted 2 December 2021 Share Posted 2 December 2021 2 hours ago, Finnegan said: I mean, this is why the JJ hype is a bit ott on here really. Assuming everyone was on the same form and fitness, he's comfortably behind both Castagne and Ricky in selection. I’m not so sure, in the last few games before his injury he was consistently good. It’ll take a while to get back to form though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 2 December 2021 Share Posted 2 December 2021 9 hours ago, Tanya said: I hope the half time benching sends the right message. Unlike some, I don't think most posters are writing him off. He hasn't been good enough yet and frankly I think he's cost us points. That said, he's very young and new to the league and I'm sure we are all pulling for him to have a great career here. Some time out of the side to get his fitness up to standard will help ...would make you wonder, why is there a fitness issue!!! Sending him off to the Tigers and getting Aled to run through training routines, should quickly sort him out. Hard to believe a professional football player is lacking fitness, unless they are coming back from a long term injury. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban fox Posted 2 December 2021 Share Posted 2 December 2021 Whilst we have a fair number of french speaking players at the club, it should also be remembered that when he arrived he spoke no English. I seem to recall that Puel said Soyuncu was not ready for the first team as there were communication problems due to his lack of English when he arrived here. Maybe there is a bit of an issue here with soumare too. He is a young man, in a new country where he does not speak the language so it is bound to take him a while to settle both on and off the pitch. I was really excited with his signing and hope that he does develop into the player we all thought we were getting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigga Posted 3 December 2021 Share Posted 3 December 2021 On 02/12/2021 at 17:18, urban fox said: Whilst we have a fair number of french speaking players at the club, it should also be remembered that when he arrived he spoke no English. I seem to recall that Puel said Soyuncu was not ready for the first team as there were communication problems due to his lack of English when he arrived here. Maybe there is a bit of an issue here with soumare too. He is a young man, in a new country where he does not speak the language so it is bound to take him a while to settle both on and off the pitch. I was really excited with his signing and hope that he does develop into the player we all thought we were getting. Not knowing the language doesn’t stop you from running/trying 😂 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post baldeagle Posted 12 December 2021 Popular Post Share Posted 12 December 2021 This lads been getting pelters lately but I thought he did ok today . Yes he wasn’t outstanding but was a lot more composed 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParkerPen Posted 12 December 2021 Share Posted 12 December 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, baldeagle said: This lads been getting pelters lately but I thought he did ok today . Yes he wasn’t outstanding but was a lot more composed I reckon he benefitted form having a clear role , but yes, did little wrong. might see wilf as CB and soumare as CDM for a few games - not saying this is optimal but... Edited 12 December 2021 by ParkerPen 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 12 December 2021 Share Posted 12 December 2021 11 minutes ago, baldeagle said: This lads been getting pelters lately but I thought he did ok today . Yes he wasn’t outstanding but was a lot more composed Agreed. Looked a bit off the pace but did the simple things fine. If he had KDH's aggression he'd be very good and we'd profit from it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Cockney Fox Posted 12 December 2021 Share Posted 12 December 2021 This fella has really regressed in the last 5 weeks. He looks like someone who is missing his girlfriend, mother and mates. Just looks unhappy with his lot. He has technical ability. But we won't being see much of that until his confidence comes back. Huggles for Bouba!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unabomber Posted 12 December 2021 Share Posted 12 December 2021 Was pretty solid today. Think he will be a good buy in the long run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cadno'r Cymoedd Posted 12 December 2021 Share Posted 12 December 2021 Still think he lacks pace and maybe because he looks overweight to me. But credit for a much improved 2nd half performance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoareyaaa Posted 12 December 2021 Share Posted 12 December 2021 5 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said: Still think he lacks pace and maybe because he looks overweight to me. But credit for a much improved 2nd half performance. I think that's his problem at the minute does seem slightly overweight.. he is a good player but needs to lose a few pounds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Sionnach Posted 12 December 2021 Share Posted 12 December 2021 5 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said: Still think he lacks pace and maybe because he looks overweight to me. But credit for a much improved 2nd half performance. He probably idolises Pogba , but in truth ,given his talent , Pogba is one of the most annoying players I can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxes1 Posted 12 December 2021 Share Posted 12 December 2021 15 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said: Still think he lacks pace and maybe because he looks overweight to me. But credit for a much improved 2nd half performance. Think he plays better when he hasn't got Ndidi alongside him in midfield. Played better today once Ndidi was moved into the back 4. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Earle Posted 12 December 2021 Share Posted 12 December 2021 I’ve never had any doubt that he’ll be a fine player for us. He lost his way a little recently, which is only to be expected in his first season in the Premier League, but looked decent again today. KDH starts ahead of him for now, but we’ll need both this month Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruzFOX Posted 12 December 2021 Share Posted 12 December 2021 Once lil Wes is back it will give soumare a boost and help his confidence maybe even play at a higher tempo. I think he’s got another gear in him we just haven’t seen it yet 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 12 December 2021 Share Posted 12 December 2021 I give this lad credit today because he did the job we exactly needed him to do. Just keep it simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 12 December 2021 Share Posted 12 December 2021 He looked better today but was that as much to do with the opposition ?? hopefully he is settling in …. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVFox Posted 12 December 2021 Share Posted 12 December 2021 I’ve slagged him off a fair bit this season, but looks a lot better as the “holding” midfielder. Especially when Youri is in the side so play doesn’t need to go through him. Much better today from Bouba!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted 12 December 2021 Share Posted 12 December 2021 he can't play in the same midfield as Wilf they want to do the same thing and wind up with neither of them being effective, Wilf's long term future may be at CB anyway, he certainly has all the attributes for it 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vardinio'sCat Posted 12 December 2021 Share Posted 12 December 2021 Good in a more defined role, I'm sure he will become more consistent over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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