The I cant believe it’s not politics thread.

[Daggers]

1 minute ago, Dunge said:

To be fair, I could vote for Jelly Baby Wednesdays. Although I might suggest an amendment to”JB Wednesdays”, with a choice of babies or beans.

As soon as the economy permits, nothing will compare to state sponsored Shot Saturdays. 

[Dunge]

36 minutes ago, Daggers said:

As soon as the economy permits, nothing will compare to state sponsored Shot Saturdays. 

I hear they have that in American schools daily.

[CosbehFox]

JB Wednesday would get more traction as a policy than either of the parties at the mon

[Daggers]

 

 

[Fazzer 7]

https://twitter.com/JohnWaga/status/1556673118671863808?s=20&t=6SjQVsOqCkdBInMaoj5xgA

[Daggers]

5 hours ago, Fazzer 7 said:

https://twitter.com/JohnWaga/status/1556673118671863808?s=20&t=6SjQVsOqCkdBInMaoj5xgA

You do realise that none of that remotely related to the actual running of the NHS?

 

Who do you think deals with HR, payroll, cleaning services, complaints, rota planning, locum hiring, obtaining bank support, meeting government targets, arranging appointments, sending letters, maintaining health records, monitoring equipment servicing, sourcing equipment, and every other essential support service that keeps the creaking ship afloat?

 

Do you think that would all magically happen on its own by somehow making more doctors and nurses appear out of mid-air and sacking more essential admin?

 

Trusts have been stopping the replacement of staff for years. You will struggle to find someone now who isn’t doing substantially more than their original job spec - and contributing tens of hours per week minimum unpaid work. 
 

I’ve trotted this anecdote out before: My wife is employed to do a std 40hr week. On a normal week that will include around 10hrs of unpaid overtime. Due to managerial staff not being replaced, her additional 24hr on-call sessions bumps that to around 80hrs every fortnight. If someone is sick, tests +ve for C19, or can’t make shift for any other reason - there’s another 24hrs, all too frequently during the weekend. 
 

She must be disposable? I mean, no one needs beds managing or someone to liaise with other Trusts to find spare places because the docs could do that instead of doctoring, right? Those extra docs you’re going to get by sacking the apparently pointless admin teams. They’ll do it. 
 

Meanwhile she soldiers on, her mental and physical health decaying because of the stress she is under.
 

And patient’s relations swear at her and threaten to physically assault her because she can’t summon instant bed spaces. 
 

And people like you make out her job is pointless. 
 

And she comes home. 
 

And she cries.

[CosbehFox]

She’s dangerous. 

[Daggers]

 

 

[urban.spaceman]

4 hours ago, Daggers said:

You do realise that none of that remotely related to the actual running of the NHS?

 

Who do you think deals with HR, payroll, cleaning services, complaints, rota planning, locum hiring, obtaining bank support, meeting government targets, arranging appointments, sending letters, maintaining health records, monitoring equipment servicing, sourcing equipment, and every other essential support service that keeps the creaking ship afloat?

 

Do you think that would all magically happen on its own by somehow making more doctors and nurses appear out of mid-air and sacking more essential admin?

 

Trusts have been stopping the replacement of staff for years. You will struggle to find someone now who isn’t doing substantially more than their original job spec - and contributing tens of hours per week minimum unpaid work. 
 

I’ve trotted this anecdote out before: My wife is employed to do a std 40hr week. On a normal week that will include around 10hrs of unpaid overtime. Due to managerial staff not being replaced, her additional 24hr on-call sessions bumps that to around 80hrs every fortnight. If someone is sick, tests +ve for C19, or can’t make shift for any other reason - there’s another 24hrs, all too frequently during the weekend. 
 

She must be disposable? I mean, no one needs beds managing or someone to liaise with other Trusts to find spare places because the docs could do that instead of doctoring, right? Those extra docs you’re going to get by sacking the apparently pointless admin teams. They’ll do it. 
 

Meanwhile she soldiers on, her mental and physical health decaying because of the stress she is under.
 

And patient’s relations swear at her and threaten to physically assault her because she can’t summon instant bed spaces. 
 

And people like you make out her job is pointless. 
 

And she comes home. 
 

And she cries.

Tell her from this random person on FoxesTalk, she's great at her job, her job is really valued, and she deserves better from the government, her bosses and the public.

[General Smuts]

Neil O'Brien the levelling up minister who resigned under BoJo has just tweeted 'Why should hard working taxpayers in my constituency have to pay for an academic to write about his experiences masturbating to Japanese porn'.

 

As one of his constituents I demand to see the Japanese Wank Report. I will also be naming any future band I'm apart of 'The Japanese Wank Report'.

[taupe]

I'm turning Japanese

I think I'm turning Japanese

I really think so

[Footballwipe]

16 hours ago, Daggers said:

You do realise that none of that remotely related to the actual running of the NHS?

 

/SNIP

But this is the problem. Post memes of quotes criticising and the echo chamber rot sets in. Same with the BBC. Eventually the right-wing governments cow-tow to their base and cut, cut, cut these services. NHS, local government etc. It's popular and it's cheap. Attack what the base hates and you're in.

 

The key thing here is that many people either don't use these services, or have bitter experiences. Take the NHS, those shitting on it either have private healthcare cos they can afford it, are healthy and have never really needed it or have had a bad experience and think the fact they can't get a doctor's appt is because Joan in admin is on £30,000 a year. Or the office manager of a department looking after the records and details of 50,000 people earns £50,000 a year.

 

They don't care about the damage it does, or is doing. No-one seemingly actually wants to do anything about it, either, because to resolve the issue you'll probably need billions to not only get patient-facing staff, but managers and consultants to re-energise and reestablish a functional back office to the NHS.

 

Demonise, blame and chip away. It works. Look at where we are with the BBC. Chip, chip chip away at it.

 

37 minutes ago, General Smuts said:

Neil O'Brien the levelling up minister who resigned under BoJo has just tweeted 'Why should hard working taxpayers in my constituency have to pay for an academic to write about his experiences masturbating to Japanese porn'.

 

As one of his constituents I demand to see the Japanese Wank Report. I will also be naming any future band I'm apart of 'The Japanese Wank Report'.

And of course, as has been pointed out, not a penny of funding or taxpayers money was actually used on the report. It's actually in the report itself.

 

But here we go, chip, chip chipping away at non STEM courses at university because it's popular with the base, and people are sniffy about certain degrees. Great work for them to be looking to destroy an industry on which many smaller towns and cities economies rely, isn't it?

 

It really does feel, more than ever, that we're being directed by the bitter, nostalgic white middle classes who spend their days reading the Daily Mail, ranting on Facebook or telling people times were better when you got your cassettes from Woolies, when things were so much better.

[CosbehFox]

15 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

 

It really does feel, more than ever, that we're being directed by the bitter, nostalgic white middle classes who spend their days reading the Daily Mail, ranting on Facebook or telling people times were better when you got your cassettes from Woolies, when things were so much better.

They are using the rhetoric of Brexit. They are fishing for the next issue. Truss last night provided that - she then grovelled when she realised she digged at a potential media ally. 

 

I am fascinated in some ways to see if they can achieve it because I think the Tory party is way off the demographic within the public which wins them an election. However, it could literally come down to if people are enraged enough to vote or apathetically sit there which is one of Starmer's problems currently. 

[leicsmac]

25 minutes ago, Footballwipe said:

But this is the problem. Post memes of quotes criticising and the echo chamber rot sets in. Same with the BBC. Eventually the right-wing governments cow-tow to their base and cut, cut, cut these services. NHS, local government etc. It's popular and it's cheap. Attack what the base hates and you're in.

 

The key thing here is that many people either don't use these services, or have bitter experiences. Take the NHS, those shitting on it either have private healthcare cos they can afford it, are healthy and have never really needed it or have had a bad experience and think the fact they can't get a doctor's appt is because Joan in admin is on £30,000 a year. Or the office manager of a department looking after the records and details of 50,000 people earns £50,000 a year.

 

They don't care about the damage it does, or is doing. No-one seemingly actually wants to do anything about it, either, because to resolve the issue you'll probably need billions to not only get patient-facing staff, but managers and consultants to re-energise and reestablish a functional back office to the NHS.

 

Demonise, blame and chip away. It works. Look at where we are with the BBC. Chip, chip chip away at it.

 

And of course, as has been pointed out, not a penny of funding or taxpayers money was actually used on the report. It's actually in the report itself.

 

But here we go, chip, chip chipping away at non STEM courses at university because it's popular with the base, and people are sniffy about certain degrees. Great work for them to be looking to destroy an industry on which many smaller towns and cities economies rely, isn't it?

 

It really does feel, more than ever, that we're being directed by the bitter, nostalgic white middle classes who spend their days reading the Daily Mail, ranting on Facebook or telling people times were better when you got your cassettes from Woolies, when things were so much better.

Nothing to disagree with in your post, but a comment on the above.

 

While I'm sure there's some evidence that the current government and those who vote for them pay lip service to the idea of STEM degrees being important and worthy of preservation, since when did that same group view STEM graduates and the careers they pursue with anything other than amusement at the "guy in the shed at the bottom of the garden" at best and flat-out contemptuous dismissal at worst? Especially when they're telling them something they might not want to hear because it will result in change, like, "yes, this virus really is dangerous" or "yes, the global average temperature really is increasing and these will be the consequences".

[bovril]

wtf I love Liz Truss now

 

[Alf Bentley]

8 minutes ago, bovril said:

wtf I love Liz Truss now

 

 

Wasn't that a sort of medieval forerunner to the EU, or at least the EEC?

 

Is she calling for the UK - or perhaps just Norfolk - to rejoin the EU Single Market?

Or would Hanseatic League 2.0 be a Brits-only arrangement, perhaps taking in Harwich, Grimsby & Teesside Freeport along with King's Lynn? 

[Foxdiamond]

5 hours ago, taupe said:

I'm turning Japanese

I think I'm turning Japanese

I really think so

Don't get the Vapors over it

[bovril]

54 minutes ago, Alf Bentley said:

 

Wasn't that a sort of medieval forerunner to the EU, or at least the EEC?

 

Is she calling for the UK - or perhaps just Norfolk - to rejoin the EU Single Market?

Or would Hanseatic League 2.0 be a Brits-only arrangement, perhaps taking in Harwich, Grimsby & Teesside Freeport along with King's Lynn? 

Yes a free trade block - just imagine! Revitalising our old port towns by exploiting links to Europe would be wonderful, but I guess it's harder to do now. 

 

Still if she promises to rename the town back to Bishop's Lynn and restore St Edmund as England's rightful patron saint, she's got my vote. 

[Foxdiamond]

The more I see of Liz Truss the more puzzled I am on how she is anywhere near being PM. My wife commented that Truss reminds her of a sort of Stepford Wife's character. Is it some ploy from Johnson's camp to replace him with someone even worse so we think he was sort of not too bad after all.

[Foxdiamond]

14 hours ago, bovril said:

Yes a free trade block - just imagine! Revitalising our old port towns by exploiting links to Europe would be wonderful, but I guess it's harder to do now. 

 

Still if she promises to rename the town back to Bishop's Lynn and restore St Edmund as England's rightful patron saint, she's got my vote. 

I think the argument about Edmund was lost in about 1350. 

[General Smuts]

SHOW ME THE JAPANESE WANK REPORT

[Lionator]

1 hour ago, General Smuts said:

SHOW ME THE JAPANESE WANK REPORT

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/14687941221096600

[Spiritwalker]

8 hours ago, Foxdiamond said:

The more I see of Liz Truss the more puzzled I am on how she is anywhere near being PM. My wife commented that Truss reminds her of a sort of Stepford Wife's character. Is it some ploy from Johnson's camp to replace him with someone even worse so we think he was sort of not too bad after all.

Don’t rule it out.

[weller54]

[urban.spaceman]