The I cant believe it’s not politics thread.

[adam1]

Question. If you voted Conservative in the last GE, would you vote for them again if there was a GE in 3 months time?

[Dunge]

1 minute ago, adam1 said:

Question. If you voted Conservative in the last GE, would you vote for them again if there was a GE in 3 months time?

Right now, no.

 

If the membership picks Truss, still no. She’s awful and blatantly hasn’t a clue what to do about the current problems the country faces.

 

If the membership picks Sunak, I’d at least give him a listen. But even then likely not.

 

If Labour give Starmer the chop, all bets are off.

[adam1]

13 minutes ago, Dunge said:

Right now, no.

 

If the membership picks Truss, still no. She’s awful and blatantly hasn’t a clue what to do about the current problems the country faces.

 

If the membership picks Sunak, I’d at least give him a listen. But even then likely not.

 

If Labour give Starmer the chop, all bets are off.

That last part, you in favour of Starmer and are against the far left of the party?

[bovril]

15 minutes ago, Dunge said:

Right now, no.

 

If the membership picks Truss, still no. She’s awful and blatantly hasn’t a clue what to do about the current problems the country faces.

 

If the membership picks Sunak, I’d at least give him a listen. But even then likely not.

 

If Labour give Starmer the chop, all bets are off.

Just to clarify we're talking about removing him as leader here, not....

[Dunge]

No murders or euphemisms, no. 

 

Essentially, if the hard left get their hands back on Labour then the party becomes unelectable. That vs Truss would be horrific and I don’t know how I’d vote. That vs Sunak would be a pretty easy Sunak vote. Sunak vs Starmer - or someone like Nandy, Burnham, etc. - would mean Labour are solid favourites for my vote (although I’d hear Sunak out). Particularly since my local MP is an uninspiring Boris behaviour apologist.

[kenny]

6 minutes ago, Dunge said:

No murders or euphemisms, no. 

 

Essentially, if the hard left get their hands back on Labour then the party becomes unelectable. That vs Truss would be horrific and I don’t know how I’d vote. That vs Sunak would be a pretty easy Sunak vote. Sunak vs Starmer - or someone like Nandy, Burnham, etc. - would mean Labour are solid favourites for my vote (although I’d hear Sunak out). Particularly since my local MP is an uninspiring Boris behaviour apologist.

The Lib Dems need to be getting some decent candidates into position. They could do really well at the next election.

[Dunge]

4 minutes ago, kenny said:

The Lib Dems need to be getting some decent candidates into position. They could do really well at the next election.

The problem there is that if the Lib Dems got even a sniff of doing really well at the next election, they’d do something stupid like announce a policy of rejoining the EU and alienating half the country again.

[kenny]

1 minute ago, Dunge said:

The problem there is that if the Lib Dems got even a sniff of doing really well at the next election, they’d do something stupid like announce a policy of rejoining the EU and alienating half the country again.

I reckon they would still get voted in on that. Not that the country necessarily wants it but as a way of rejecting the other candidate options.

 

A more lefty labour type might help win some seats away from the SNP which would be a positive.

[fox_up_north]

Surely Labour could neuter the SNP by saying "Scottish referendum with X caveats". Scotland is typically more left leaning anyway and Labour could surely win back some of the central belt seats? 

[bovril]

3 minutes ago, fox_up_north said:

Surely Labour could neuter the SNP by saying "Scottish referendum with X caveats". Scotland is typically more left leaning anyway and Labour could surely win back some of the central belt seats? 

Their vote would collapse in England

[Greg2607]

It's such a dire situation at the minute isn't it....

 

Call a GE now.... Tories lose and then labour have to pick up the headwinds of the economy for the next few years, with the Tories then able to convince everyone that Labour wrecked the economy again....

 

OR

 

2 Years of Truss, with a wrecked economy that may be damaged beyond repair. 

 

There is no easy way out here, without some genuinely unique change of approach.  Pure socialism isn't the answer.... but clearly, nor is neo-liberal capitalism. 

 

I have a feeling we are all F&*ked.   Climate change, the failure of capatalism, war... the next decade is a car crash. 

 

 

 

[LiberalFox]

Sunak is clearly the better option over Truss. People tend to get behind those who offer a positive vision for the future not those who are obsessed with ideology. 

[Foxdiamond]

11 minutes ago, LiberalFox said:

Sunak is clearly the better option over Truss. People tend to get behind those who offer a positive vision for the future not those who are obsessed with ideology. 

Not sure the Tory members are that reasonable 

[weller54]

2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

Nero fiddles while Rome burns comes to mind 🤬🤬

[RoboFox]

I just can't get my head around people looking at the last 12 years of devastating Tory austerity, a failed Brexit, NHS crises, care crises, the decimation of public services, an out-of-control housing market, the deadly mishandling of the pandemic and staggering amounts of public money, endless sleaze, corruption, and scandals, the shredding of workers' rights, a nosediving economy, nosediving standard of living, the longest wage squeeze in 200 years, the and an impending socio-economic energy crisis that they're refusing to handle...  

 

...And going "yeah, I want more of that" 

[bovril]

16 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

I just can't get my head around people looking at the last 12 years of devastating Tory austerity, a failed Brexit, NHS crises, care crises, the decimation of public services, an out-of-control housing market, the deadly mishandling of the pandemic and staggering amounts of public money, endless sleaze, corruption, and scandals, the shredding of workers' rights, a nosediving economy, nosediving standard of living, the longest wage squeeze in 200 years, the and an impending socio-economic energy crisis that they're refusing to handle...  

 

...And going "yeah, I want more of that" 

Shit hasn't totally hit the fan yet though has it. A lot of it at the moment is vibes - the notion that things are going to shit which is often driven by media (particularly social media). When things really do go to shit there'll be an open goal for Labour.

[urban.spaceman]

19 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

I just can't get my head around people looking at the last 12 years of devastating Tory austerity, a failed Brexit, NHS crises, care crises, the decimation of public services, an out-of-control housing market, the deadly mishandling of the pandemic and staggering amounts of public money, endless sleaze, corruption, and scandals, the shredding of workers' rights, a nosediving economy, nosediving standard of living, the longest wage squeeze in 200 years, the and an impending socio-economic energy crisis that they're refusing to handle...  

 

...And going "yeah, I want more of that" 

I hesitate to be critical of people who think differently from me but some of these creatures shouldn't be allowed out the ****ing house let alone be able to vote.

 

 

[leicsmac]

2 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I hesitate to be critical of people who think differently from me but some of these creatures shouldn't be allowed out the ****ing house let alone be able to vote.

 

 

Having to deal with stuff like this is what science communication has been about for about the last decade.

 

Dispiriting.

[RoboFox]

5 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I hesitate to be critical of people who think differently from me but some of these creatures shouldn't be allowed out the ****ing house let alone be able to vote.

 

 

 

Some of them sound like radicalised right-wing Americans, spouting platitudes and buzzwords like "freedom" and "socialist agenda." Bizarre. 

 

[Foxdiamond]

12 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I hesitate to be critical of people who think differently from me but some of these creatures shouldn't be allowed out the ****ing house let alone be able to vote.

 

 

The man is a bar steward

[weller54]

14 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

I hesitate to be critical of people who think differently from me but some of these creatures shouldn't be allowed out the ****ing house let alone be able to vote.

 

 

Cretins!!!

[ozleicester]

8 minutes ago, weller54 said:

Cretins!!!

Tories!!!

[Crinklyfox]

The basis of our democracy is that we vote for the party and leader which we feel most comfortable with.  We are now faced with two significantly different manifestos as regards the cost of living crisis - the difference in effects that this will have on the various economic groups within our society is so significant I do not believe that this should be left to a relatively minute handful of party voters who probably are concentrated in one or two economic groups.  The fact that these voters will have the power to plunge millions of the poorest in our society into dire financial straits is fundamentally undemocratic.  I am therefore fully supportive of the call for a general election where the country can decide how we should best move forward.

 

I'd like to add that I am not a member of any political party.

[Fazzer 7]

2 hours ago, urban.spaceman said:

I hesitate to be critical of people who think differently from me but some of these creatures shouldn't be allowed out the ****ing house let alone be able to vote.

 

 

Oh dear. I thought the only outrageous comments came from the guy with the blue shirt and round sun glasses. Most notably about not caring about saving the planet etc. 

[Captain...]

2 hours ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Oh dear. I thought the only outrageous comments came from the guy with the blue shirt and round sun glasses. Most notably about not caring about saving the planet etc. 

So you don't think claiming that the conservative party are the anti-establishment party was pretty outrageous?