The I cant believe it’s not politics thread.

[Legend_in_blue]

 

He's not wrong there.

 

 

[weller54]

2 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

He's not wrong there.

 

 

Parasite!

[Fightforever]

1 hour ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

He's not wrong there.

 

 

Yep once they hit an all time low in the polls he conveniently starts hating them too. Career politicians like him need to get in the bin. Faker than a Kardashian's  bum. 

 

They are populists who just say whatever the crowd wants to hear and suits their career at the time.

 

Boris was the same where he infamously had a Brexit supporting and Remain supporting article ready to publish and was stuck on what would give him the most personal gain. 

 

[Jon the Hat]

The inexorable slide to a Labour Government starts here.  Pfff.

[pSinatra]

He leaves still lying, with no shame & with zero ubderstanding of exactly how shit he was at his job.

 

He seems to have left the door open for a return.

 

Don't fvcking bother

[Nalis]

8 hours ago, Fightforever said:

Yep once they hit an all time low in the polls he conveniently starts hating them too. Career politicians like him need to get in the bin. Faker than a Kardashian's  bum. 

 

They are populists who just say whatever the crowd wants to hear and suits their career at the time.

 

Boris was the same where he infamously had a Brexit supporting and Remain supporting article ready to publish and was stuck on what would give him the most personal gain. 

 

I still maintain the worst thing to happen to his career was Brexit as he's irrelevant now. If the voting numbers were reversed, he might have relevance to some staunch Brexiteers and would essentially be the English version of Nicola Twanky screaming for more referendums.

[Alf Bentley]

1 hour ago, pSinatra said:

He leaves still lying, with no shame & with zero ubderstanding of exactly how shit he was at his job.

 

He seems to have left the door open for a return.

 

Don't fvcking bother

 

Yep. 

 

Even on his big boast issues of Brexit, Covid & Ukraine, his record is distinctly mixed, if not disastrous overall (vaccine roll-out and Ukraine military spending notwithstanding): N. Ireland protocol, thousands of unnecessary Covid deaths, billions wasted on corrupt or ineffective contracts, Partygate boosting cynicism about democracy, obstructive refugee schemes....

 

But he was even still boasting about building 40 hospitals and sorting social care! 

Er, where are the hospitals, mate? And in what way has social care been sorted?

Your successor has even made it a key priority to take the N.I. funds allocated for NHS Covid catchup and eventually for social care - and plans to hand them back as an ideological tax cut, disproportionately to the well-off. 

Where's the money for social care and NHS catchup going to come from now, mate?

 

I don't think he mentioned "levelling up" this time, did he? Wise, if so, as he's presided over increased inequality between North and South and between rich and poor - more "divided nation" than "levelling up", which was pure vote-seeking PR guff.

[Eurofox]

& of course Brexit was a complete desaster 

[Fazzer 7]

2 minutes ago, Eurofox said:

& of course Brexit was a complete desaster 

What even now when the euro is at a 20 year low!

[Foxdiamond]

7 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

The inexorable slide to a Labour Government starts here.  Pfff.

I should hope do too after 12 years after the Tory mess

[The Fox Covert]

My take on Liz Truss at No. 10. She thinks she's the second Mrs T but in reality she's going to preside over a cabinet of muppets!

[Jon the Hat]

11 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said:

I should hope do too after 12 years after the Tory mess

Indeed.  As I have said many times over the years, too long of any one party and they seem to get worse and worse, and we need some of the other side to balance things out a bit.  

[Eurofox]

20 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

What even now when the euro is at a 20 year low!

YES

[Fazzer 7]

17 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Indeed.  As I have said many times over the years, too long of any one party and they seem to get worse and worse, and we need some of the other side to balance things out a bit.  

You're right sadly, we need a change. Just not a socialist one.

[Jon the Hat]

1 minute ago, Fazzer 7 said:

You're right sadly, we need a change. Just not a socialist one.

Fortunately I don't think Labour can rally be described as socialist these days.  They will be too concerned with staying in power to do anything too daft.

[Fazzer 7]

Just now, Jon the Hat said:

Fortunately I don't think Labour can rally be described as socialist these days.  They will be too concerned with staying in power to do anything too daft.

The leadership may not be. But with the likes of Rayner, Burgon, Long Bailey, Lammy and many others still there, who are probably waiting for the opportunity to force a leadership challenge. But in any event, unless Truss can do something pretty spectacular in the next 2 years, which is about as likely as LCFC winning the PL again. we're in for a change.

[Alf Bentley]

22 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

The leadership may not be. But with the likes of Rayner, Burgon, Long Bailey, Lammy and many others still there, who are probably waiting for the opportunity to force a leadership challenge. But in any event, unless Truss can do something pretty spectacular in the next 2 years, which is about as likely as LCFC winning the PL again. we're in for a change.

 

The 4 Labour politicians you've named are from very different strands of the party:

- Lammy: Pretty centrist, Starmerite. Used to get a bit over-emotional as a back-bencher but now one of Labour's best front-bench media performers.

- Rayner: Soft left, a bit more radical than Starmer but essentially a pragmatist. Winds up some people who don't like outspoken working-class women, but another party asset, in my book.

- Long Bailey: Fairly hard left, but did some decent work when front bench. I wouldn't want her to be leader or deciding overall policy, but a shame she's not got a front bench brief - a lot saner than Corbyn or Burgon

- Burgon: Simplistic Corbynite tosser: Good news that he's no longer on the front bench

 

There's sod all chance of any hard left leadership takeover. The Corbynistas in parliament always were a small rump and still are.

They did previously gain control of the party outside parliament, but that no longer applies.

The membership has just voted for a new National Executive Committee (NEC), the most powerful party body outside conference. Candidates from different factions were elected, but the membership again voted for candidates loyal to the current leadership to retain control, not those loyal to Corbyn.

 

God knows what will happen in the next 2 years or at the next election. I expect the worst for the next 2 years - both because of the dire circumstances and because Truss is a Tory extremist at heart: ideologically dogmatic about low tax, small state and low public spending almost regardless of circumstances. Doubtless she'll offer a package to address the current crisis, but I expect major cuts in public services over the next 2 years overall. The election? Hard to see the Tories retaining a majority at the moment, but also hard to see how Labour wins a majority without either an SNP meltdown in Scotland or a Tory meltdown nationwide, allowing them and/or the LDs to take a lot of  southern states........possibly a Lab minority govt with LD support?

[kenny]

35 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

The leadership may not be. But with the likes of Rayner, Burgon, Long Bailey, Lammy and many others still there, who are probably waiting for the opportunity to force a leadership challenge. But in any event, unless Truss can do something pretty spectacular in the next 2 years, which is about as likely as LCFC winning the PL again. we're in for a change.

Think you can take Lammy off the list. Since he joined LBC he is a lot more sensible and moderate.

 

I would go far as to say he comes across as competent these days.

[Lionator]

35 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

The leadership may not be. But with the likes of Rayner, Burgon, Long Bailey, Lammy and many others still there, who are probably waiting for the opportunity to force a leadership challenge. But in any event, unless Truss can do something pretty spectacular in the next 2 years, which is about as likely as LCFC winning the PL again. we're in for a change.

I have challenged this before but Lammy and Rayner are not socialists, Lammy is pretty much as centrist as it gets in the Labour Party, and Rayner is also very much in the centre with sympathy towards her working class roots. The leftist dream in the Labour Party is over, it’s a fringe once again. I don’t think anybody knows where on the spectrum Starmer’s Labour truly lies, but it will not be socialist and anyone claiming that is lying for political clout. 

[Lionator]

1 minute ago, kenny said:

Think you can take Lammy off the list. Since he joined LBC he is a lot more sensible and moderate.

 

I would go far as to say he comes across as competent these days.

He pretty much always has been apart from several gaffes but oddly in this country, standing up against systemic discrimination gets you labelled as a ‘woke lefty’, before the anti discrimination laws eventually get passed through by tories anyway. 

[leicsmac]

6 minutes ago, Lionator said:

He pretty much always has been apart from several gaffes but oddly in this country, standing up against systemic discrimination gets you labelled as a ‘woke lefty’, before the anti discrimination laws eventually get passed through by tories anyway. 

Yeah, how the Tories got credit for passing the gay marriage bill when they came up with Section 28 is quite unreal.

[Lionator]

3 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Yeah, how the Tories got credit for passing the gay marriage bill when they came up with Section 28 is quite unreal.

It was pretty much a result of the coalition. Ed Davey was the MP who brought the abolition of section 28 to parliament and the Lib Dems essentially gave gay marriage as a part of their coalition agreement. You have to remember Cameron was fairly socially liberal and didn’t appear interested in the culture war nonsense that we put up with now. 

 

Culture war being complaining about everything but doing nothing to address it through policy because they know removing rights is terrible but complaining about it gets them votes because half the population are socially conservative. 

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Lionator said:

It was pretty much a result of the coalition. Ed Davey was the MP who brought the abolition of section 28 to parliament and the Lib Dems essentially gave gay marriage as a part of their coalition agreement. You have to remember Cameron was fairly socially liberal and didn’t appear interested in the culture war nonsense that we put up with now. 

 

Culture war being complaining about everything but doing nothing to address it through policy because they know removing rights is terrible but complaining about it gets them votes because half the population are socially conservative. 

Yeah, that's true.

 

Guess it could be worse - the socially conservative folks in other parts of the globe, particularly the US, are talkers but also doers, if the recent trend of misery-inducing political and legal decisions for anyone not the "right" demographic is anything to go by.

[CosbehFox]

 

[HighPeakFox]

For the record, being a Socialist doesn't make one sub human, lesser or invalid politically. Deliberately slagging it off without the faintest notion what it actually is is dangerous and ignorant.