The I cant believe it’s not politics thread.

[gerblod]

23 minutes ago, Sampson said:

Still yet to see a single genuine benefit from Brexit and this utopia we were supposed to have after saving all this money we were putting into the EU…

It was never a possibility that Brexit would achieve any positive. It was a coup of a kind - an intention by free-marketeers to take Thatcher's  destruction of working class social organisation to its extreme end.

For Johnson it was an elongation of his narcissism. For Cummings his need to shake up the establishment. For Bridgen, Baker and others, a desire to keep Britain as Anglo-Saxon as possible. For Liam Fox, an opportunity to open up the NHS to US profiteers. For Rees-Mogg a wish to retain the social order he grew up surrounded by.

No positives in there at all. 

[fox_up_north]

I am ashamed to say that, in my youth, I was hoodwinked by some of this lot. I finished uni just as the financial crash hit, lost my job because my employer was tied up in Icelandic banks (then got rehired on a lower wage), my dad was fighting in Afghanistan and it just seemed like the Tories and Lib Dems offered actual solutions. 

 

I'm now in my 30s and can't see the future getting anywhere near the bright one I expected to have back then. I live much more modestly than I thought I would, in order to make sure I don't worry so much. I'm glad of my little terraced house and 12 year old car but, for someone with my education and background, I shouldn't really live in a world where living modestly is the best choice I can make. 

[Daggers]

 

[kingkisnorbo]

What makes Kwarteng significantly more irritating is that stupid resting face he has. Constantly looks like he’s about to piss himself laughing at the back of the class. He doesn’t have to do anything and I find him insufferable. 

[Lionator]

We kept saying on here how ridiculous it was that they were choosing Truss over Sunak, and now look.

[Daggers]

Starmer just pledged public ownership in the energy sector

[Daggers]

 

[urban.spaceman]

 

 

[BenTheFox]

 That was a very good speech by Starmer. I thought so anyway. 

[urban.spaceman]

 

 

 

 

[LVFox]

1 hour ago, BenTheFox said:

 That was a very good speech by Starmer. I thought so anyway. 

Pretty much ticked every box for where I sit politically. For someone who was too young to vote when Blair was in charge, it’s nice to actually feel a party on my wave length 

[StanSP]

 

 

[Bellend Sebastian]

2 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

 

I insist that she resign and her sister be put forward to stand in the resulting by-election 

[rachhere]

2 hours ago, Daggers said:

 

I wasn't expecting to feel quite so emotional watching this 

 

https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1574757749824569345?s=20&t=r7vMxnD9cM0A1og8-SnuQA

 

[Sampson]

1 hour ago, LVocey said:

Pretty much ticked every box for where I sit politically. For someone who was too young to vote when Blair was in charge, it’s nice to actually feel a party on my wave length 

I get what you’re saying, I like him a lot and he does sit close to centre which I like. Though I’d say he feels closer to Brown than Blair to me politically. I feel like Starmer is more sympathetic to nationalisation of public services than Blair was, even if Blair was a big champion of increasing funding to the NHS.

Edited 27 September 2022 by Sampson

[bovril]

I feel like there's been a bit if a shift in recent days as people become tired of having a government that actively makes their lives worse. All the boring culture war stuff of the last decade seems to be falling away.

[LiberalFox]

1 hour ago, bovril said:

I feel like there's been a bit if a shift in recent days as people become tired of having a government that actively makes their lives worse. All the boring culture war stuff of the last decade seems to be falling away.

I hope so. 

[kingkisnorbo]

Starmer grabbing the malaise by the knackers and putting his on the table. What is this strange feeling? Hope…..?

[Free Falling Foxes]

2 hours ago, bovril said:

I feel like there's been a bit if a shift in recent days as people become tired of having a government that actively makes their lives worse. All the boring culture war stuff of the last decade seems to be falling away.

I really do hope Labour don't shoot themselves in the foot before the next election. The Tories have had free ride these last 12 years, largely due to the fact there hasn't been a credible opposition in that time.

We really do need this awful lot out of power.

[gerblod]

2 hours ago, Sampson said:

I get what you’re saying, I like him a lot and he does sit close to centre which I like. Though I’d say he feels closer to Brown than Blair to me politically. I feel like Starmer is more sympathetic to nationalisation of public services than Blair was, even if Blair was a big champion of increasing funding to the NHS.

I watched the whole of Starmer's speech and I was glad I did. Although I'm left of Starmer, he's the kind of leader who, hopefully, won't go on an ego trip as Blair did.

Blair would never have considered renationalisation of the 'essential' public services. It's taken over forty years for the electorate to realise that selling off public assets exposes the them to this kind of take-it-or-leave-it skullduggery.

But, although I will vote Labour at the next election, it will be to remove the Tories - they need to think about what they've allowed to happen over the last decade+ and come back with a sense of a learned lesson in humility.

But until PR is introduced I know that here in Bosworth my vote will, unless there's a huge shift to Labour, be of no influence at all. That's not democracy - it's disenfranchisement. Every vote should count as representation in Parliament. That way no one party would have the ability to enact laws which aren't in the general interest of our citizenry. The idea that the 80k members of the Tory Party membership who voted for Liz Truss were allowed to choose the PM for 66m inhabitants of the UK is feudal - no other word so apt.  

 

[rachhere]

2 hours ago, bovril said:

I feel like there's been a bit if a shift in recent days as people become tired of having a government that actively makes their lives worse. All the boring culture war stuff of the last decade seems to be falling away.

There seems to have been quite a shift in the way that the media are portraying Starmer as well. 

[DennisNedry]

Starmer starting to show some personality at last. The Tories could barely have given him more ammunition though.

 

 

[Dahnsouff]

7 minutes ago, gerblod said:

I watched the whole of Starmer's speech and I was glad I did. Although I'm left of Starmer, he's the kind of leader who, hopefully, won't go on an ego trip as Blair did.

Blair would never have considered renationalisation of the 'essential' public services. It's taken over forty years for the electorate to realise that selling off public assets exposes the them to this kind of take-it-or-leave-it skullduggery.

But, although I will vote Labour at the next election, it will be to remove the Tories - they need to think about what they've allowed to happen over the last decade+ and come back with a sense of a learned lesson in humility.

But until PR is introduced I know that here in Bosworth my vote will, unless there's a huge shift to Labour, be of no influence at all. That's not democracy - it's disenfranchisement. Every vote should count as representation in Parliament. That way no one party would have the ability to enact laws which aren't in the general interest of our citizenry. The idea that the 80k members of the Tory Party membership who voted for Liz Truss were allowed to choose the PM for 66m inhabitants of the UK is feudal - no other word so apt.  

Every vote on what? On each bill in parliament?

[FoxesDeb]

So if Starmer gets his way and sets up GB energy,  what would happen to the existing UK energy companies, and their workforces?

[Dahnsouff]

1 minute ago, FoxesDeb said:

So if Starmer gets his way and sets up GB energy,  what would happen to the existing UK energy companies, and their workforces?

Well, judging by the damage his announcement of GBE has done to Centrica and their ilk, he could pick them up as a job lot for £50 and integrate them into the fold