The I cant believe it’s not politics thread.

[CosbehFox]

 

 

9 minutes ago, Daggers said:

By Tory MPs, no less.

 

But that’s why she won, she was supported by those who wanted a puppet - and this is the result. My hope is the next government, which ever side they represent, does something to surgically remove the influence of shadow libertarian think tanks from the political process. They are a cancer.

The likes of the Adam Smith Institute can go in a big rocket and be launched off into space. 

[CosbehFox]

The whataboutery bots have been pushed on social media though. There's a post going around about donations received by Starmer and Streeting from a private health provider. Totalling £27k - if only those brainwashed by it could look towards the Tory donations

[Daggers]

1 minute ago, CosbehFox said:

 

 

The likes of the Adam Smith Institute can go in a big rocket and be launched off into space. 

Two of them were given prime commenting slots on Newsnight, last night. No caveat was given about their funding (or obscurity thereof) - due to Tory influence at the editorial level. It’s just not good enough.

[Foxdiamond]

28 minutes ago, Dunge said:

The biggest surprise to me is that the membership allowed it.

 

I’ve always seen myself as more aligned to the Conservative party because they were the party of pragmatism over ideology. It isn’t just the MPs right now that are the problem for the Conservative Party - it’s that the membership actively went and voted for Truss when it was obvious how bad she was. I mean, there isn’t a single reason why she should be in the job. Boris may be a dirty word these days, but he has undeniable charisma. Truss is a big vat of nothing and incompetent with it. It was blatantly obvious to any pragmatist that the only legitimate candidate in the recent ballot - despite his faults - was Rishi Sunak. But the membership voted Useless Truss. I don’t know why, although I’m sure many would speculate, particularly about racism. Maybe also about Sunak being a traitor to Johnson, or being a spoilt rich boy with dodgy taxes, or because he wasn’t talking enough about culture wars. Maybe a combination thereof. But they certainly weren’t voting on the basis of either competence or economic pragmatism.

Obviously I'm a Labour supporters but it seem crazy that Truss got any major posts in government let alone PM. I think back to my own bosses and I can't remember any that projected such cluelessness. 

[st albans fox]

33 minutes ago, Dunge said:

The biggest surprise to me is that the membership allowed it.

 

I’ve always seen myself as more aligned to the Conservative party because they were the party of pragmatism over ideology. It isn’t just the MPs right now that are the problem for the Conservative Party - it’s that the membership actively went and voted for Truss when it was obvious how bad she was. I mean, there isn’t a single reason why she should be in the job. Boris may be a dirty word these days, but he has undeniable charisma. Truss is a big vat of nothing and incompetent with it. It was blatantly obvious to any pragmatist that the only legitimate candidate in the recent ballot - despite his faults - was Rishi Sunak. But the membership voted Useless Truss. I don’t know why, although I’m sure many would speculate, particularly about racism. Maybe also about Sunak being a traitor to Johnson, or being a spoilt rich boy with dodgy taxes, or because he wasn’t talking enough about culture wars. Maybe a combination thereof. But they certainly weren’t voting on the basis of either competence or economic pragmatism.

It’s not complicated- was a combination of racism and an attraction of a thatcher lookalike ….

 

nothing to do with policy 

[Innovindil]

2 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

It’s not complicated- was a combination of racism and an attraction of a thatcher lookalike ….

 

nothing to do with policy 

Of course it is. You've literally had tories on here, mere hours ago, celebrating tax cuts. How is that not to do with policy. 

[Foxdiamond]

38 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

Comparing King John to Truss seems unfair to John

[st albans fox]

it’s clear that the govt line on all this is to pretend that the extra unfunded  spending which has drive the markets to a frenzy was all down to the energy subsidies 

 

and to also state that many countries around the globe are suffering the same problems as we are with currency and debt funding. 

 

sadly the people conducting any interviews have so far proved to be inept in their economic understanding and allowed them to get away with it. 
 

 

[st albans fox]

2 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Of course it is. You've literally had tories on here, mere hours ago, celebrating tax cuts. How is that not to do with policy. 

If sunak wasn’t Asian he would have won - the rest of the debate is all at the margins 

[bovril]

41 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

 

We're still searching for the treasure in the Fens. 

[kingkisnorbo]

Truss is brown bread before she even got out the traps. Fantastic. 

[Jon the Hat]

15 minutes ago, Innovindil said:

Of course it is. You've literally had tories on here, mere hours ago, celebrating tax cuts. How is that not to do with policy. 

I still think tax cuts are a good way to boost the economy, but as I have said before, money needs to be in the pockets of the masses who spend it to make any difference.

[Voll Blau]

23 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

it’s clear that the govt line on all this is to pretend that the extra unfunded  spending which has drive the markets to a frenzy was all down to the energy subsidies 

 

and to also state that many countries around the globe are suffering the same problems as we are with currency and debt funding. 

 

sadly the people conducting any interviews have so far proved to be inept in their economic understanding and allowed them to get away with it. 
 

 

 

Hardly. I've given this morning's whole round a listen now and she absolutely floundered against all lines of questioning. None of the interviewers bought her rehearsed lines about "Putin's war" or any of that crap.

[urban.spaceman]

 

 

[Vacamion]

 

COVID crisis - graphs all over the news.  

 

Energy Price Rise  - graphs on the news.

 

Current financial crisis - more graphs on the news.

 

Let's just ban graphs.

 

Right, that's that sorted.  Pub ?

 

 

[Crinklyfox]

My limited experience of politics have left me with the belief that there are decent people within most major political parties, including the Conservative party.  I believe that those politicians would choose to put their constituents, and the needs of their country, above loyalty to a PM and policies that are doing such harm.

 

As such the only way I can see out of this crisis without a change of heart from the top is for a vote of no confidence to be tabled by Labour, which could be supported by all other political parties and those Conservative MPs who have the decency to stand up against the policies causing all the damage.  If successful, this would lead to a General Election where the acceptability of the current regime could be voted on the the entire electorate, not just Conservative party members.

[LVFox]

49 minutes ago, Crinklyfox said:

As such the only way I can see out of this crisis without a change of heart from the top is for a vote of no confidence to be tabled by Labour, which could be supported by all other political parties and those Conservative MPs who have the decency to stand up against the policies causing all the damage.  If successful, this would lead to a General Election where the acceptability of the current regime could be voted on the the entire electorate, not just Conservative party members.

No chance, complete Turkeys voting for Xmas scenario.

 

They won’t get rid of Truss either, it will just annoy the general public further.

 

2023 is going to be absolutely grim

[StanSP]

6 hours ago, Fox in the North said:

 

Johnson-esque. 

 

Will just say things without substance. Almost cringe-worthy. 

[Livid]

2 hours ago, Crinklyfox said:

My limited experience of politics have left me with the belief that there are decent people within most major political parties, including the Conservative party.  I believe that those politicians would choose to put their constituents, and the needs of their country, above loyalty to a PM and policies that are doing such harm.

 

As such the only way I can see out of this crisis without a change of heart from the top is for a vote of no confidence to be tabled by Labour, which could be supported by all other political parties and those Conservative MPs who have the decency to stand up against the policies causing all the damage.  If successful, this would lead to a General Election where the acceptability of the current regime could be voted on the the entire electorate, not just Conservative party members.

They totally cleared the parliamentary Conservative Party of any Liberal element prior to the 2019 GE. The candidates they put up were all 100% Brexiteer Tory Boys and Girls. 
 

There are no reasonable options left. The membership (well 40% of it) voted for Maggie II over the Asian Billionaire and gave us this absolute horror show of a government. 
 

[urban.spaceman]

This is just crying out for Curb Your Enthusiasm/Always Sunny title cards.

 

 

[rachhere]

10 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

This is just crying out for Curb Your Enthusiasm/Always Sunny title cards.

 

 

The cheek to justify all this by saying that they had to respond quickly to avert the cost of living crisis. They had a whole summer of inaction.

[Unabomber]

Looks like “get Britain moving” is the new “get Brexit done”. The fact that these idiots think they can just pander out stupid slogans is one thing, the fact there are still people out their who lap it up is scary.

[Beechey]

 

This is so stupid and dangerous. A "price cap of £2500" is already misleading enough without the PM saying it's the "most anyone will pay".

[st albans fox]

20 minutes ago, Beechey said:

 

This is so stupid and dangerous. A "price cap of £2500" is already misleading enough without the PM saying it's the "most anyone will pay".

To be fair - I doubt she has paid a utility bill for a good number of years ……

 

Will all be on expenses …

[fox_up_north]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

This is just crying out for Curb Your Enthusiasm/Always Sunny title cards.

 

 

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