The I cant believe it’s not politics thread.

[RoboFox]

7 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

The M People aren't happy

 

 

 

 

Also Heather Small's son just got elected as a Labour councillor. 

 

You couldn't make it up. This lot are hilariously thick.

[RoboFox]

They're a laughing stock. An international joke. 

 

If we didn't all have to suffer as a result I'd be having a right old chuckle myself.

 

 

[Bellend Sebastian]

7 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

 

Also Heather Small's son just got elected as a Labour councillor. 

 

You couldn't make it up. This lot are hilariously thick.

Why can't they simply draw on the extensive bank of optimistic right wing pop hits?

Edited 5 October 2022 by Bellend Sebastian

[Fazzer 7]

18 minutes ago, Sampson said:

I don’t know what makes you think I’m a Labour supporter? I’ve voted LibDem/SDP more times than any other party. I’m certainly all set to vote Labour atm as they’re by far the most credible choice to form a government but they’re not “my” team, unlike yours. Politics shouldn’t work that way.

But it is like that, if you’re on the right of the political spectrum you’re Conservative, I would put all the other relevant parties to the left. That’s how it is, surely. 

[RoboFox]

2 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

What can't they simply draw on the extensive bank of optimistic right wing pop hits?

"Kill The Poor" by Dead Kennedys

[urban.spaceman]

4 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Why can't they simply draw on the extensive bank of optimistic right wing pop hits?

Psycho Killer?

[leicsmac]

2 hours ago, Fazzer 7 said:

There is nothing cruel about securing our boarders against illegal immigration. It has to be stopped. What do you suggest? How can this country carry on taking 30 40k channel crossers every year and providing hotel accommodation and housing at taxpayers expense, the cost btw is around 5million a day and growing. 

Dictionary definition:

 

Cruel: "willfully causing pain or suffering to others, or feeling no concern about it".

 

How exactly is a policy that inflicts suffering on people wanting a better life not cruel? Some can argue that it's a matter of dreadful necessity because of limited resources and that argument has at least some merit, but let's not pretend that it's in any way a benevolent act - at best, it's an act of evil done for the sake of a possible greater good (and that is a matter of real debate because it's by no means certain or proven).

 

NB. Still waiting for you to get back to me regarding your thoughts on climate policy.

Edited 5 October 2022 by leicsmac

[StanSP]

 

 

[fox_up_north]

Where do UKIP, Brexit Party, BNP and so forth sit on the scale then? Are they further along than the Tories? Or not as far? 

[Rain King]

Just now, fox_up_north said:

Where do UKIP, Brexit Party, BNP and so forth sit on the scale then? Are they further along than the Tories? Or not as far? 

They've integrated into the tories.

[urban.spaceman]

 

 

[Bellend Sebastian]

53 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Psycho Killer?

Well it's a good tune 

[Daggers]

56 minutes ago, RoboFox said:

"Kill The Poor" by Dead Kennedys

She's too drunk too ****

[Daggers]

 

 

[LVFox]

Pretty clear Truss is already toast.

I think the conservatives have two options.

 

a) stick with her and hope they don’t get annihilated in next election (they will)

 

b) Chuck her out, bring in Rishi (without another leadership contest) with the promise of an election in 12 months (to try and quieten what would be loud voices for one immediately), once the economy has settled. If they can make that happen pre-election and really turn up the heat on Labour being a risk to the economy (harder to argue these days but still a pre-conception in many voters heads), they stand a chance of scraping a hung parliament in their favour.

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, urban.spaceman said:

The M People aren't happy

 

 

 

 

1 hour ago, RoboFox said:

 

Also Heather Small's son just got elected as a Labour councillor. 

 

You couldn't make it up. This lot are hilariously thick.

 

Always astonishes me at how little research/asking of permission politicians do before picking their walk-on music for speeches or party broadcasts.

[Fazzer 7]

1 hour ago, leicsmac said:

Dictionary definition:

 

Cruel: "willfully causing pain or suffering to others, or feeling no concern about it".

 

How exactly is a policy that inflicts suffering on people wanting a better life not cruel? Some can argue that it's a matter of dreadful necessity because of limited resources and that argument has at least some merit, but let's not pretend that it's in any way a benevolent act - at best, it's an act of evil done for the sake of a possible greater good (and that is a matter of real debate because it's by no means certain or proven).

 

NB. Still waiting for you to get back to me regarding your thoughts on climate policy.

We need to secure our boarders, and reduce net immigration. Let’s try asking them to stop coming here because we’re running out of hotels, shall we?

 

 As for the climate policy, I’d be in favour of it provided It doesn’t further impact our economy and I can continue heating my house with gas, and driving a petrol driven car. I’m frankly just as concerned about the environment, issues like the terrible toll plastic waste is having on marine life in seas and oceans, not assisted by the billions of cheap Chinese plastic face masks. 

[Rain King]

4 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

We need to secure our boarders, and reduce net immigration. Let’s try asking them to stop coming here because we’re running out of hotels, shall we?

 

 

I'm all for sealing off the boarding schools, such as Eton. Don't ever let them out to ruin the country.

[leicsmac]

10 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

We need to secure our boarders, and reduce net immigration. Let’s try asking them to stop coming here because we’re running out of hotels, shall we?

 

 As for the climate policy, I’d be in favour of it provided It doesn’t further impact our economy and I can continue heating my house with gas, and driving a petrol driven car. I’m frankly just as concerned about the environment, issues like the terrible toll plastic waste is having on marine life in seas and oceans, not assisted by the billions of cheap Chinese plastic face masks. 

Not really answering the point I made regarding cruelty, but go off I guess.

 

WRT climate points made here, is there a particular reason you're wedded to the idea of a gas-fired boiler and petrol-driven car, when soon enough other solutions are a.) More efficient and work better anyway and b.) A lot less likely to result in a situation where your inaction is indirectly responsible for the death and suffering of hundreds of millions of people?

 

NB. Economies don't mean much when the food you're trying to buy won't grow and the water is either nowhere to be found or poisoned. I have no idea why some folks are shocked at the idea of plastic pollution (when yes, it is shocking) but completely downplay carbon emissions when they are as significant if not more of an environmental threat. (Actually, I do know why - it's most often because changing the latter means their own lives may be affected and they're all about the short-term self interest.)

Edited 5 October 2022 by leicsmac

[SpacedX]

8 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

We need to secure our boarders, 

Plenty of spare rooms on offer.

 

12 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

As for the climate policy, I’d be in favour of it

Providing...

 

13 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

...I can continue heating my house with gas, and driving a petrol driven car. 

[SecretPro]

16 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

We need to secure our boarders, and reduce net immigration. Let’s try asking them to stop coming here because we’re running out of hotels, shall we?

 

 As for the climate policy, I’d be in favour of it provided It doesn’t further impact our economy and I can continue heating my house with gas, and driving a petrol driven car. I’m frankly just as concerned about the environment, issues like the terrible toll plastic waste is having on marine life in seas and oceans, not assisted by the billions of cheap Chinese plastic face masks. 

Simply not true. Out Country is one of the least populated in Developed Europe. Housing them in hotels etc without providing proper integrated immigration support is Government policy, which a less racist Government could easily overcome.

 

Sure, Plastic is a massive issue, but it's bottom of the rung when it comes to wider environmental and ecological issues. It just gets pushed by Governments as a 'huge issue' because it's one of the easiest and cheapest to solve and makes it look like they care/are taking action.

Edited 5 October 2022 by SecretPro

[urban.spaceman]

8 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

We need to secure our boarders, and reduce net immigration. Let’s try asking them to stop coming here because we’re running out of hotels, shall we?

 

 As for the climate policy, I’d be in favour of it provided It doesn’t further impact our economy and I can continue heating my house with gas, and driving a petrol driven car. I’m frankly just as concerned about the environment, issues like the terrible toll plastic waste is having on marine life in seas and oceans, not assisted by the billions of cheap Chinese plastic face masks. 

The Tories have been in power for 12 years now and haven't managed to "secure our borders". EU has dropped but non-EU migration has soared in its place:

 

 

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/migrationstatisticsquarterlyreport/latest

 

EU citizens have left the UK in their hundreds of thousands, which has led to the staffing crisis in the NHS.

 

Oh, and the "securing our borders" thing - the one time the government really should have "secured our borders" was during a global health crisis which would have helped prevent spread of a pandemic. Instead they watched it rip through Italy and spread like wildfire on these shores and yet still didn't even close the borders for a full 11 months. By which time 100,000 people were already dead and 100,000 people have died since.

 

Seems to me the Tories have never been interested in "securing our borders" or bringing down net immigration, it's more been about sneering at vulnerable foreign people.

[Fazzer 7]

2 minutes ago, leicsmac said:

Not really answering the point I made regarding cruelty, but go off I guess.

 

WRT climate points made here, is there a particular reason you're wedded to the idea of a gas-fired boiler and petrol-driven car, when soon enough other solutions are a.) More efficient and work better anyway and b.) A lot less likely to result in a situation where your inaction is indirectly responsible for the death and suffering of hundreds of millions of people?

 

NB. Economies don't mean much when the food you're trying to buy won't grow and the water is either nowhere to be found or poisoned. I have no idea why some folks are shocked at the idea of plastic pollution (when yes, it is shocking) but completely downplay carbon emissions when they are as significant if not more of an environmental threat. (Actually, I do know why - it's most often because changing the latter means their own lives may be affected and they're all about the short-term self interest.)

If that day arrives I may well be more embracing, but currently Petrol engine cars are far superior to anything electric, imo.  That may change, hopefully in time it will. As for heating my home with gas. My mothers house has an electric air source heat pump. She complains that on cold days it doesn’t warm the house sufficiently, though honestly I would say it does. However, what is not in dispute is that her electricity bill last year was 35% more than my combined electric and gas and our home is bigger. It also breaks down once or twice a year. Fortunately it belongs to a housing association and they pick up the maintenance bills. So for now, I’ll stick with gas. 

[leicsmac]

3 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

If that day arrives I may well be more embracing, but currently Petrol engine cars are far superior to anything electric, imo.  That may change, hopefully in time it will. As for heating my home with gas. My mothers house has an electric air source heat pump. She complains that on cold days it doesn’t warm the house sufficiently, though honestly I would say it does. However, what is not in dispute is that her electricity bill last year was 35% more than my combined electric and gas and our home is bigger. It also breaks down once or twice a year. Fortunately it belongs to a housing association and they pick up the maintenance bills. So for now, I’ll stick with gas. 

You make the argument that focusing only on the self and the bottom line in the short term will be the thing that condemns our species very well here.

 

But I guess that's a (sometimes) human thing - and something a decent government needs to factor in and account for through subsidies, thus not allowing anyone with that particular worldview to have an excuse not to change. This government, and many others, seem incapable of that.

[pedmcl]

34 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

We need to secure our boarders, and reduce net immigration.

The UK has an underpopulation problem right now, not over population. Roughly 1/3 of the country are in retirement age, and whilst unemployment is low currently, that 1/3 aren't generating the money through spending money into the economy the same way that working people do.