The I cant believe it’s not politics thread.

[st albans fox]

2 hours ago, leicsmac said:

 

And funnily enough the whole present idea of "alternative facts" that are made up and not questioned or corrected originated in the US in the first place.

The journalists who are conducting the interviews are clearly ignorant 

 

Given that one of these interviews was conducted by kuhnsberg, you have to ask yourself whether the BBC is being ‘gagged’ by a fear of govt intervention ….

 

 

[Bellend Sebastian]

Lovely to see a group of folk including a few deep pocketed celebrities launching legal action against Daily Mail owners Associated Newspapers. Not seen a whole lot of detail but it seems to be centred around the stuff that Leveson 2 was meant to cover (dodgy coppers etc) before the Cameron government binned it.

 

Could be interesting

[Tommy G]

Gary Neville likes to portray his leftieism on twitter and social media, comes across as this socialist knight in shining armour until he gets a big cheque wafted under his nostrils for Bein to cover the world cup. Like his punditry but he is such a hypocrite. 

 

Our Lineker falls into the same bracket

[BenTheFox]

Work is pretty miserable, but being unemployed is much worse. I'm pretty sure that most people who are unemployed really don't want to be. 

[weller54]

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, Tommy G said:

Gary Neville likes to portray his leftieism on twitter and social media, comes across as this socialist knight in shining armour until he gets a big cheque wafted under his nostrils for Bein to cover the world cup. Like his punditry but he is such a hypocrite. 

 

Our Lineker falls into the same bracket

Never in a million is Neville, socialist or even left - he owns hotels, a football club and a property consultancy firm. 

 

If being outspoken on Gay rights is a socialist or left view, I am worried our society views it that way. I find the debate around Qatar/BeIN debate interesting - do you work for them and challenge or outright boycott? Not really a right answer. 

[Facecloth]

6 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Gary Neville likes to portray his leftieism on twitter and social media, comes across as this socialist knight in shining armour until he gets a big cheque wafted under his nostrils for Bein to cover the world cup. Like his punditry but he is such a hypocrite. 

 

Our Lineker falls into the same bracket

Aren't you just doing exactly what some accuse those who promote socialist policies of doing and begrudging people from earning big money? I don't think Lineker or Neville, or in fact anyone I've seen asking for society to be a little fairer, have ever said people shouldn't be allowed to earn big wages, just that those who do pay a bit more into a pot to help provide things like health care and education for those who don't earn as much.

[Facecloth]

3 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Never in a million is Neville, socialist or even left - he owns hotels, a football club and a property consultancy firm. 

 

If being outspoken on Gay rights is a socialist or left view, I am worried our society views it that way. I find the debate around Qatar/BeIN debate interesting - do you work for them and challenge or outright boycott? Not really a right answer. 

So people who own a business can't have left wing views?

 

If you want to complain about him going to Qatar and how that sit with supporting rights of LGBT and women then that's one thing and it something that you'll be able to aim at plenty of football people in the next couple of months, but as business owner and media personality earning a decent wage, that doesn't prevent him holding more left wing views that promote helping those less well off and promoting equality.

[CosbehFox]

6 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

So people who own a business can't have left wing views?

 

If you want to complain about him going to Qatar and how that sit with supporting rights of LGBT and women then that's one thing and it something that you'll be able to aim at plenty of football people in the next couple of months, but as business owner and media personality earning a decent wage, that doesn't prevent him holding more left wing views that promote helping those less well off and promoting equality.

Not at all - I suppose my point is the view of what constitutes a left wing view has changed considerably. Neville for me displays views from a centre position which are generally informed by his businesses. I think we are on the same page but at cross purpose.

 

I utterly hate the connection that supporting the freedom of LGBT, choice, trans persons, diversity equals a left wing view - it should be the base of a modern society.

[Fazzer 7]

24 minutes ago, Tommy G said:

Gary Neville likes to portray his leftieism on twitter and social media, comes across as this socialist knight in shining armour until he gets a big cheque wafted under his nostrils for Bein to cover the world cup. Like his punditry but he is such a hypocrite. 

 

Our Lineker falls into the same bracket

All of the left are the same. It’s human nature. No one is going to turn down a fat pay cheque on the grounds of their politics. It’s just that the left are hypocritical about it. Take for example, labour MP’s expenses, they’re among the highest. 

[leicsmac]

1 minute ago, Fazzer 7 said:

All of the left are the same. It’s human nature. No one is going to turn down a fat pay cheque on the grounds of their politics. It’s just that the left are hypocritical about it. Take for example, labour MP’s expenses, they’re among the highest. 

Speak for yourself, mon ami.

[leicsmac]

7 minutes ago, CosbehFox said:

Not at all - I suppose my point is the view of what constitutes a left wing view has changed considerably. Neville for me displays views from a centre position which are generally informed by his businesses. I think we are on the same page but at cross purpose.

 

I utterly hate the connection that supporting the freedom of LGBT, choice, trans persons, diversity equals a left wing view - it should be the base of a modern society.

I too have no idea why treating other human beings actually *as* human beings is somehow a political football. But so it goes.

[ozleicester]

17 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

All of the left are the same. It’s human nature. No one is going to turn down a fat pay cheque on the grounds of their politics. It’s just that the left are hypocritical about it. Take for example, labour MP’s expenses, they’re among the highest. 

Walked away from (what was for me) a substantial contract because i found my ethics prevented me from continuing to work for scum. 

Now earn 60% less working for a NGO volunteer organisation of which i can be proud

[Captain...]

1 hour ago, Tommy G said:

Gary Neville likes to portray his leftieism on twitter and social media, comes across as this socialist knight in shining armour until he gets a big cheque wafted under his nostrils for Bein to cover the world cup. Like his punditry but he is such a hypocrite. 

 

Our Lineker falls into the same bracket

Is the reverse also true? Are Righties hypocrites if they have a successful business empire and strive to make every penny regardless of the ethical implications but also don't actually hate every minority group?

[katieakita]

One of the very few positives of running a Post Office is seeing first hand how the "Party for Business" runs an actual business. The levels of incompetence, corruption and denial is staggering. The lack of responsibility or holding anybody to account is mind blowing. At least it makes choosing who to give my vote to so much easier

[katieakita]

6 hours ago, RobHawk said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-63165088

 

Didn't watch Qt but just saw this clip. 

 

Wtf? Pressed to say sorry and he talks about putin. 

 

It's almost like they are a bunch of complete of cvnts. 

Sat next to Hannibal Lecter and Piers Morgan makes you look like the biggest cvnt in the room

[Captain...]

7 hours ago, RobHawk said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-63165088

 

Didn't watch Qt but just saw this clip. 

 

Wtf? Pressed to say sorry and he talks about putin. 

 

It's almost like they are a bunch of complete of cvnts. 

We really need to get to the point where politicians answer the question asked and are then given time qualify it. I'm so sick of these types exchanges. In part that is down to the interviewer not letting politicians give full answers, but it is just excruciating to watch and completely turns me off watching anything like QT. Fair play to NZ for eventually saying he is sorry for what happened, but why do we have to go through the shouty charade every time to get to a simple answer.

[taupe]

In fairness to politicians (and lord knows why I want to be fair) and indeed to other interviewees, it's not always possible to give a simple and/or 'yes or no' answer to a question. Sometimes a question can be based on a false premise (when did you stop beating your wife?) or come from a place that carries an implicit implication, so the response will often sound like an attempt to dodge rather than answer.

 

And, of course, that scenario can be used and manipulated to deliberately avoid answering a question! A good interviewer has to ensure their questions are simple and direct, and obviously based on fact, to not allow for wiggle room. Sadly, interviewers are too often looking for the 'gotcha' question and/or looking to elicit a headline grabbing response.

[st albans fox]

52 minutes ago, Captain... said:

We really need to get to the point where politicians answer the question asked and are then given time qualify it. I'm so sick of these types exchanges. In part that is down to the interviewer not letting politicians give full answers, but it is just excruciating to watch and completely turns me off watching anything like QT. Fair play to NZ for eventually saying he is sorry for what happened, but why do we have to go through the shouty charade every time to get to a simple answer.

 

32 minutes ago, taupe said:

In fairness to politicians (and lord knows why I want to be fair) and indeed to other interviewees, it's not always possible to give a simple and/or 'yes or no' answer to a question. Sometimes a question can be based on a false premise (when did you stop beating your wife?) or come from a place that carries an implicit implication, so the response will often sound like an attempt to dodge rather than answer.

 

And, of course, that scenario can be used and manipulated to deliberately avoid answering a question! A good interviewer has to ensure their questions are simple and direct, and obviously based on fact, to not allow for wiggle room. Sadly, interviewers are too often looking for the 'gotcha' question and/or looking to elicit a headline grabbing response.

I was watching news night last week and Victoria Derbyshire was interviewing two Tory politicians- one defending the policies and one questioning them 

 

the initial Q and A was with the defender (Shrewsbury MP ?) and he wasn’t answering what she was asking. After a while she said something like ‘well you’re not answering my questions so I’m calling a halt to the interview’.  He looked very miffed and muttered something like ‘well I thought I was’ before being cut off. 

[fox_up_north]

2 hours ago, Fazzer 7 said:

All of the left are the same. It’s human nature. No one is going to turn down a fat pay cheque on the grounds of their politics. It’s just that the left are hypocritical about it. Take for example, labour MP’s expenses, they’re among the highest. 

Given I specifically, twice, turned down £30k+, after tax and with accomodation provided, to work in Saudi for a year (which was a good wedge back about 6 years ago) on the grounds of disagreeing with the politics, I can assure you that people do it. 

[Daggers]

[Daggers]

[Dunge]

As much as the Conservatives are getting loads wrong right now, I think Labour have to be careful with this phrase “anti-growth coalition”. It’s going to get used a lot. It’s tripe of course, but that’s not the point. It’s also snappy and no word is wasted in achieving what they want it to:

 

Anti: These people are negative.

Growth: Our key word, demonstrating our positive focus on the economy.

Coalition: It’s us against them. They’re ganging up against our economic drive. If you don’t want the dreaded “them” then it’ll have to be “us”.

 

Mockery is one thing and I’m sure that will come in spades, but Labour will need to be careful not to play into it too much because it sounds like how the Conservatives will want to present themselves.

Edited 7 October 2022 by Dunge

[StanSP]

 

 

[rachhere]

8 minutes ago, StanSP said:

 

 

What's he done then - or is it the obvious?