Captain... Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 3 hours ago, StanSP said: Is it worth getting fussed over Kwarteng's undisclosed meetings, when as business sec, with Saudi oil companies? Tory is corrupt shocker, not really a lot to say, I doubt anybody is surprised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 14 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Might as well be Governed by The Muppets 🤬🤬🤬 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post orangecity23 Posted 11 October 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 11 October 2022 5 minutes ago, weller54 said: Might as well be Governed by The Muppets 🤬🤬🤬 That's pretty offensive. Kermit the frog has done an outstanding job of leading a diverse team of unusual individuals and putting on an entertaining show for decades, he is an excellent leader. And the Muppets told Tex Richman the oil baron to sod off. Any comparison to the corrupt bunch of asset stripping scumbags in charge of our country is completely unwarranted. No joke that Fozzy bear has ever told will be as unfunny as the joke of a haunted bride of Chucky doll currently inhabiting number 10. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 23 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: To be fair to them, truss and kwarteng need to take instruction on response from their 'pay masters' first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Spiritwalker Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 2 hours ago, purpleronnie said: we're all sturgeon aren't we? I’m not her biggest fan but she had a strong point when she said Keir had thrown Scotland ( and England ) under the Brexit bus to avoid losing votes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 3 hours ago, purpleronnie said: we're all sturgeon aren't we? I don't agree with Brexit and for the same reason I don't want Scottish independence, but if there's support for it and all the information is there and presented correctly then no issue on them voting, especially as the goalposts have moved since the last vote. What I don't agree with her on is when I heard her complaining that it had been over 50 years since Scotlands votes had had an influence on the government in Westminster. Firstly that won't have been helped by the majority of their seats going to the SNP for the previous few elections, secondly why the hell should Scotlands vote be a huge influence on the government in Westminster? They are about 10% of the seats so it's not a major shock that who Scotland vote for isn't always the government in Westminster. Now I understand if she says she wants independence because they are never governed by who the country vote for but the fact Scotland isn't swaying the election is a poor argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Daggers Posted 11 October 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 11 October 2022 42 minutes ago, Spiritwalker said: I’m not her biggest fan but she had a strong point when she said Keir had thrown Scotland ( and England ) under the Brexit bus to avoid losing votes. He didn't though; he removed the Tories only card they could've played at the next election. It's the smartest move to make at the moment. I don't know anyone serious who doesn't expect Labour to begin discussing closer ties with the EU - but you don't get to make those decisions until you've been elected and that remains the single most important thing to achieve in the first instance. Everyone knows Brexit has been a flaming wheelbarrow of shit and lies, even those who still champion it. Starmer knows. Sturgeon knows he will act, it's just not in her interest to admit it. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fox_up_north Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 24 minutes ago, StanSP said: Never sure how I feel about "celebs" going in to politics. I suppose I am just put off by the likes of Reagan, Trump, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 16 minutes ago, Daggers said: He didn't though; he removed the Tories only card they could've played at the next election. It's the smartest move to make at the moment. I don't know anyone serious who doesn't expect Labour to begin discussing closer ties with the EU - but you don't get to make those decisions until you've been elected and that remains the single most important thing to achieve in the first instance. Everyone knows Brexit has been a flaming wheelbarrow of shit and lies, even those who still champion it. Starmer knows. Sturgeon knows he will act, it's just not in her interest to admit it. He's said we won't rejoin the single market!!.. If Labour championed rejoining the single market and show the economic benefits this will bring to the Country I'm convinced this policy would be supported and they'd gain even more support... It's about time the economic hit we've taken over Brexshit is laid bare for all to see!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancunianfox Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 30 minutes ago, Facecloth said: What I don't agree with her on is when I heard her complaining that it had been over 50 years since Scotlands votes had had an influence on the government in Westminster. Firstly that won't have been helped by the majority of their seats going to the SNP for the previous few elections, secondly why the hell should Scotlands vote be a huge influence on the government in Westminster? They are about 10% of the seats so it's not a major shock that who Scotland vote for isn't always the government in Westminster. Now I understand if she says she wants independence because they are never governed by who the country vote for but the fact Scotland isn't swaying the election is a poor argument. Agree, while Blair and the rest of Labour did take the Scottish seats for granted for years New Labour did have a Scottish Chancellor who became PM and it did feel like there was a Scottish influence in the party at least. Cameron's gamble on the referendum and the success of the SNP since proves Sturgeon wrong too as we now have a voting system in which only one party can realistically form a majority government as I just don't see how Labour does it without the Scottish seats. While Scotland votes for the SNP it pretty much ensures a tory government so they have no incentive to offer a referendum as this is a perfect situation for them. It has pretty much backed Labour in to a corner of having to focus on English and Welsh votes too as the SNP are a liability with the tory press' influence in England (Strong and stable with me or chaos with Ed Milliband, lol). Like most gamblers he went back to the table one too many times to try and unite the tory party over Europe. I still don't think that Cameron gets anywhere near enough blame for the state of politics in this country by treating government like a casino table with no care of the consequences should it go wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiberalFox Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 Unless you are pro independence there's no good reason for supporting a referendum being held. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 29 minutes ago, weller54 said: He's said we won't rejoin the single market!!.. If Labour championed rejoining the single market and show the economic benefits this will bring to the Country I'm convinced this policy would be supported and they'd gain even more support... It's about time the economic hit we've taken over Brexshit is laid bare for all to see!! depends what the EU would allow. with recent political results in italy, they cant afford to look like they will do weak deals - otherwise other countries may look to break away ...... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 30 minutes ago, weller54 said: He's said we won't rejoin the single market!!.. If Labour championed rejoining the single market and show the economic benefits this will bring to the Country I'm convinced this policy would be supported and they'd gain even more support... It's about time the economic hit we've taken over Brexshit is laid bare for all to see!! 50 minutes ago, Daggers said: ...he removed the Tories only card they could've played at the next election... You're either a pragmatist about how best to win the next election or you aren't, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Captain... Posted 11 October 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 11 October 2022 If Starmer made any noises about rejoining the EU it would just dominate the election, whilst the single market is not quite rejoining the EU it does come with conditions such as freedom of movement and following EU trade rules. It's not going to be a vote winner as I imagine 90% of remainers and repentant brexiteers will have already abandoned the Tories. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spiritwalker Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 1 hour ago, Daggers said: He didn't though; he removed the Tories only card they could've played at the next election. It's the smartest move to make at the moment. I don't know anyone serious who doesn't expect Labour to begin discussing closer ties with the EU - but you don't get to make those decisions until you've been elected and that remains the single most important thing to achieve in the first instance. Everyone knows Brexit has been a flaming wheelbarrow of shit and lies, even those who still champion it. Starmer knows. Sturgeon knows he will act, it's just not in her interest to admit it. Fair points, I hope you’re right. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachhere Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 I would love to be back in the single market, but from a democracy point of view, I don't know if I would feel comfortable it being back on the agenda this soon. In the same way I wouldn't be happy about SNP getting to have another vote again so soon after the last independence vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 3 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: No surprise there, they still think a Gilt is something you just deny…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain... Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 I would expect Starmer to do everything he can to align our trade rules with the EU to make trade easier and to facilitate joining the single market. The manifesto/campaign promise will be to create easier trade with the EU and resolve the Irish border problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 2 hours ago, rachhere said: I would love to be back in the single market, but from a democracy point of view, I don't know if I would feel comfortable it being back on the agenda this soon. In the same way I wouldn't be happy about SNP getting to have another vote again so soon after the last independence vote. Good luck to Scotland getting independence!! They clearly didn't vote to be poorer by supporting Brexshit!! They'll be immediately applying to rejoin the EU whilst the rest of the UK sinks deeper in the mire!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachhere Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 3 minutes ago, weller54 said: Good luck to Scotland getting independence!! They clearly didn't vote to be poorer by supporting Brexshit!! They'll be immediately applying to rejoin the EU whilst the rest of the UK sinks deeper in the mire!! Yeah, a fair point that things have significantly changed since the last independence vote. I don't know. I have no real solutions, other than go back in time and someone take out David Cameron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 31 minutes ago, rachhere said: Yeah, a fair point that things have significantly changed since the last independence vote. I don't know. I have no real solutions, other than go back in time and someone take out David Cameron. Nadine Dorries would have been up for that I'm sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazzer 7 Posted 11 October 2022 Share Posted 11 October 2022 Markets everywhere are in daily decline. We’re on the brink of a global recession, the effects of which will be as bad as 2008 banking crisis. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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