David Hankey Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 4 minutes ago, kingkisnorbo said: It’s going to be Johnson, isn’t it? Bojo the Liar, I certainly hope not as that would confine the Conservative Party to the political wilderness after the next GE if they're not already there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post taupe Posted 21 October 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 21 October 2022 The return of Johnson (so soon) would be seen as farcical, even surreal, by the rest of the world, no? Tin-pot nationish even, the actions of a nation that has no idea what it's doing. The only credible way forward imho is to call a general election. Then the Tories can decide upon their leader in whatever manner they choose without inflicting that choice on the rest of the nation. This situation is the stuff is dystopian fiction, not real government. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unabomber Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 2 hours ago, kingkisnorbo said: Just incase anybody needed a reminder. Who cares, he got the big decisions right 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HighPeakFox Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 23 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: You are not seriously claiming there is no partisanship in political leanings are you??? Tell me where I suggested there wasn't, please I simply suggested that finger pointing is a telling sign of guilt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 24 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: You are not seriously claiming there is no partisanship in political leanings are you??? No, what I believe he's claiming, and what I would agree with, is that when people do bad stuff to other people in politics it tends to mostly be the fault of the perpetrators, not mostly the fault of the opposition for not being effective enough. I heard enough of that disingenuous line when Trump won in 2016 and went about causing events that will have repercussions for decades, thank you very much. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 320,000 in under 24 hours. https://www.change.org/p/we-need-a-general-election-now-generalelectionnow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 34 minutes ago, Unabomber said: Who cares, he got the big decisions right The fact that some people genuinely believe that is utterly chilling. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 23 minutes ago, leicsmac said: No, what I believe he's claiming, and what I would agree with, is that when people do bad stuff to other people in politics it tends to mostly be the fault of the perpetrators, not mostly the fault of the opposition for not being effective enough. I heard enough of that disingenuous line when Trump won in 2016 and went about causing events that will have repercussions for decades, thank you very much. Fair enough and apologies to @HighPeakFox if I misconstrued his post, and of course the party in power holds all blame for policies which result negatively on the populace. I was making the point that people vote for many reasons, and many are engrained throughout a lifetime, bashing such people feels a bit needless If this was not the conversation,but I wonder if my use of the word opposition, which was deliberate, was taken as Labour, as it was certainly not a targetted attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sampson Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 (edited) 42 minutes ago, taupe said: The return of Johnson (so soon) would be seen as farcical, even surreal, by the rest of the world, no? Tin-pot nationish even, the actions of a nation that has no idea what it's doing. The only credible way forward imho is to call a general election. Then the Tories can decide upon their leader in whatever manner they choose without inflicting that choice on the rest of the nation. This situation is the stuff is dystopian fiction, not real government. If the restoration of an obvious liar and buffoon after 44 days was done by some country in Africa or the Caribbean we’d all be calling it a Banana Republic and a tinpot dictatorship and a coup. We’ve become the laughing stock of the western world. Edited 21 October 2022 by Sampson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 3 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Fair enough and apologies to @HighPeakFox if I misconstrued his post, and of course the party in power holds all blame for policies which result negatively on the populace. I was making the point that people vote for many reasons, and many are engrained throughout a lifetime, bashing such people feels a bit needless If this was not the conversation,but I wonder if my use of the word opposition, which was deliberate, was taken as Labour, as it was certainly not a targetted attack. Thank you, and I get the reasoning. However, please understand the frustration at what is such obvious belief in lies, deceit and con artistry - especially when the effects of those things reach far beyond those believing in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: Thank you, and I get the reasoning. However, please understand the frustration at what is such obvious belief in lies, deceit and con artistry - especially when the effects of those things reach far beyond those believing in them. Yes, I do grasp it, I worry terribly for this world we leave to our children (Personally my own son, his peers) and I despaired at the offer of Brexit and its unavoidable isolationism, but still you cannot legitmately expect a geniocracy government unfortunately, as there will always be the those who seek to prosper at the cost of others and you only need look at the election of Johnson shows the comforting power of ignorance, personality and familiarity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leicsmac Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 6 minutes ago, Dahnsouff said: Yes, I do grasp it, I worry terribly for this world we leave to our children (Personally my own son, his peers) and I despaired at the offer of Brexit and its unavoidable isolationism, but still you cannot legitmately expect a geniocracy government unfortunately, as there will always be the those who seek to prosper at the cost of others and you only need look at the election of Johnson shows the comforting power of ignorance, personality and familiarity. ...then here's hoping the choice one day isn't a binary between that and a very, very horrible outcome. I fear it might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 Think of the new circus that would follow if Johnson gets in. I won't be happy whoever gets in but at least the others are not disgraced. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkidsFox Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 21 minutes ago, Foxdiamond said: Think of the new circus that would follow if Johnson gets in. I won't be happy whoever gets in but at least the others are not disgraced. More market entertainment to come! Those mortgage rates and leccy bills to continue to soar. But at least people know what they're voting for! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 "When a regime has been in power too long, when it has fatally exhausted the patience of the people, and when oblivion finally beckons - I am afraid that across the world you can rely on the leaders of that regime to act solely in the interests of self-preservation, and not in the interests of the electorate.” Boris Johnson Writing in the Telegraph February 2011 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rachhere Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 20 minutes ago, StanSP said: Surely it's far too much of a risk to vote him in - if he were to lose his seat and this have to resign as PM then its hard to see anything other than a general election, and subsequently a pretty much complete destruction of the tory party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EnderbyFox Posted 21 October 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 21 October 2022 The state of these cretins 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Oxlong Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 2 hours ago, kingkisnorbo said: It’s going to be Johnson, isn’t it? Hopefully Alan, not Boris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Fazzer 7 Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 3 hours ago, urban.spaceman said: She’s yet another abhorrent waste of skin. That’s your opinion. You think anyone on the right of politics is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 9 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said: That’s your opinion. You think anyone on the right of politics is. No, I think that because of her voting record and complicity in the last few years of this government. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 1 hour ago, rachhere said: Surely it's far too much of a risk to vote him in - if he were to lose his seat and this have to resign as PM then its hard to see anything other than a general election, and subsequently a pretty much complete destruction of the tory party. Presumably if he were to lose his seat then he would appoint himself a peer - does the PM have to be an MP ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 21 October 2022 Share Posted 21 October 2022 Can we stop with the general election nonsense? It's not going to happen. I think it'll be PM, not Boris. Hunt will stay in his position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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