The I cant believe it’s not politics thread.

[fox_favourite]

 

Edited 24 October 2022 by fox_favourite

[Foxdiamond]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

 

He has to choose a cabinet that is inclusive - truss and Johnson made the mistake of picking only supporters who thought as they did 

 

so he will have to select a fair few from all areas of the party - if it’s not JRM then it will have to be someone equally as obnoxious 

 

a little piece of me wants sunak to do really well because it will stuff it up all the racists in his party and on that side of the political spectrum 

And thereby is the problem for the current Tory party. 

[WigstonWanderer]

3 hours ago, foxile5 said:

We're now at our 4th unelected prime minister and this one was second place in popularity within his own party to Liz Truss. 

 

Shambles. 

TBF being rejected by the swivel eyed loons of the Tory party membership is something of a positive.

[HybridFox]

4 hours ago, Sly said:

I’ve just seen some bloke on Sky state that Sunak will be out of touch due to his Wealth. Then demand a general election.

 

Kier Starmer is worth over £7m! He’s hardly on the bread line is he 😂 

Also the fuss about him studying at Winchester given the history of PMs from Eton.

 

It's like singing "Champions of England you'll never sing that" to United fans 

Edited 25 October 2022 by TK95

[leicsmac]

8 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

You and I align on the threat of climate change I believe, yet I see nothing from either of the major two parties that offer me a sense of hope. I certainly don’t count buzzword Great British Energy from Labour, and the fracking fiasco is a disgrace (not that I think it can happen as the UK is uniquely unsuited geologically, so it will always be cancelled)

 

So I will just vote Green yet along with everyone else, burn in the fires of hubris.

 

8 hours ago, Finnaldo said:

Funnily enough, the a lot of European Green parties (including our’s) and their extremely backwards views on nuclear energy set us back big time in winding down the use of fossil fuels. Chernobyl is probably also to blame but historically a massive own-goal, and even today they have a weird anti-nuclear platform. 

You'll get no argument from me regarding the use of nuclear power.

 

On the political side, there isn't much to pick between the two parties on this matter, but as the Tories are even considering the question of fracking again and Labour don't seem to be that's a key difference.

 

The big thing, however, will be how much diplomatic pressure either can bring to the world stage to do the right thing. This is a most global issue, after all.

[NasPb]

10 hours ago, Dahnsouff said:

Well yes, this is a most perplexing stance, it amazed me that Germany had ceased its programme, and as someone who actually works with nuclear energy producers worldwide, their safety record is nigh on immaculate. This is spin guiding policy, a sad indictment of our times.

Actually agree with this. Truthfully nuclear energy should be used as a transition towards green energy. Would be positive in the short term. 

[Daggers]

“The Bonfire of the Tories - Boris Johnson’s comeback attempt failed, but that won’t save the party from itself.”

 

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2022/10/who-will-preside-over-the-bonfire-of-the-tories.html

 

“Whatever transpires, the Tory Party is in ruins and the next election is lost: 12 years in, facing the calamities of the Brexit they delivered, still in hock to fantasists, they are factional, raging, and adrift. A second Johnson premiership would have hastened their destruction. He would have loved it.”

[Fazzer 7]

Over the coming weeks the calls for a GE from the msm, notably sky and bbc will be relentless. Just like they were for lockdowns. I see one of the bbc presenters was suspended yesterday for breaking impartiality rules, for expressing her delight at the Johnson withdrawal.  

[Mickyblueeyes]

11 hours ago, Tommy Fresh said:

Different childhood experiences of wealth I believe though....

What is the difference ? 

[Facecloth]

15 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Over the coming weeks the calls for a GE from the msm, notably sky and bbc will be relentless. Just like they were for lockdowns. I see one of the bbc presenters was suspended yesterday for breaking impartiality rules, for expressing her delight at the Johnson withdrawal.  

So what you're saying re the BBC is that the moment one of their employee appears to be impartial they remove them from broadcasting. So it's odd you think that one isolated incident which has resulted in suspension means the BBC will be full of presenters calling for an election.

 

Edited 25 October 2022 by Facecloth

[Voll Blau]

11 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Over the coming weeks the calls for a GE from the msm, notably sky and bbc will be relentless. Just like they were for lockdowns. I see one of the bbc presenters was suspended yesterday for breaking impartiality rules, for expressing her delight at the Johnson withdrawal.  

Oh FFS, more of this "the world's against me" self-pitying bollocks despite the fact that everything has gone the way of the apparently sinned-against in the past 12 years.

 

There's no "clamour" from Sky or the BBC, they're simply reporting what the opposition parties are saying - as they're supposed to do - while also giving a fair hearing to Sunak and the Tories too.

[Daggers]

No wonder they’re having to vote whether or not to go on strike. 
 

 

[BenTheFox]

It makes me laugh when the right in this country claim that the MSM is against them. I think they are referring more specifically to the BBC and Channel 4. Even if we are to work on the premise that Channel 4 and the BBC have a left-wing bias (highly disputable in my opinion), what about the the mainstream print media? The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The Daily Express and The Sun is essentially Tory propaganda.

[Nick]

I'm surprised people see SKY News as representative of the left or biased toward the left. They are like LBC and Talksport / Talk radio - seem much more part of the Tory mechanism to me, like ITV.

[Dahnsouff]

7 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

It makes me laugh when the right in this country claim that the MSM is against them. I think they are referring more specifically to the BBC and Channel 4. Even if we are to work on the premise that Channel 4 and the BBC have a left-wing bias (highly disputable in my opinion), what about the the mainstream print media? The Daily Mail, The Telegraph, The Daily Express and The Sun is essentially Tory propaganda.

Who claims this?

[BenTheFox]

Just now, Dahnsouff said:

Who claims this?

You really don't have to go very far to find them. There's plenty of GB News viewers out there giving it the whole #Scummedia and #DefundtheBBC 

[Dahnsouff]

Oops, someone just defunded the BBC

 

Edited 25 October 2022 by Dahnsouff

[Fazzer 7]

1 hour ago, Facecloth said:

So what you're saying re the BBC is that the moment one of their employee appears to be impartial they remove them from broadcasting. So it's odd you think that one isolated incident which has resulted in suspension means the BBC will be full of presenters calling for an election.

 

I take it you've not watched bbc news for the past few days, lol.

[Voll Blau]

3 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said:

I take it you've not watched bbc news for the past few days, lol.

Can you point to one specific example in the past few days where a BBC News presenter has called for an election themselves?

[Zear0]

"Truss tells her cabinet they have achieved 'some significant achievements' during her short premiership" 

 

That's one way to spin it Liz. 

[RoboFox]

16 minutes ago, Voll Blau said:

Can you point to one specific example in the past few days where a BBC News presenter has called for an election themselves?

Of course he can't. Like most of the "woe me" brigade, he hears what he wants to hear to suit his bizarre confirmation bias narrative.

[Zear0]

All I can hear is "I Predict a Riot" blaring out

[Dames]

2 hours ago, Fazzer 7 said:

Over the coming weeks the calls for a GE from the msm, notably sky and bbc will be relentless. Just like they were for lockdowns. I see one of the bbc presenters was suspended yesterday for breaking impartiality rules, for expressing her delight at the Johnson withdrawal.  

People that use the term 'MSM' believe that they and a chosen few sit outside the narrative when in fact all that's happened is you've been hoodwinked into another narrative. 

 

[Zear0]

Just now, Dames said:

People that use the term 'MSM' believe that they and a chosen few sit outside the narrative when in fact all that's happened is you've been hoodwinked into another narrative. 

 

Also laughable as the proprietor of Sky News is effing Murdoch who has the Tory's in his pocket. 

[Tommy Fresh]

2 hours ago, Mickyblueeyes said:

What is the difference ? 

How they were educated and how they ended up where they did regarding that gives a pretty good indicator.