LVFox Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 4 hours ago, LVFox said: Solid speech from Sunak. He’s not the most charismatic but, for as much as I am not a fan of the conservatives in general, it at least feels like we won’t be a complete embarrassment to the world now. Well that was a nice 4 hours. Braverman in as Home Secretary…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post urban.spaceman Posted 25 October 2022 Popular Post Share Posted 25 October 2022 7 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said: How will you all survive in here for the next 2 years Come on guys give Rishi a chance. You never know you might be pleasantly surprised. Shouldn't have to give him a chance when: a) he's got a pretty bad track record while as Chancellor and is one of the reasons we're in this mess, b) he's filling his cabinet with provably unpleasant, unsuccessful and untalented people, and c) not a single person in the UK voted for him. He as no mandate from the electorate, no mandate from his own party and therefore should call an immediate general election. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderbyFox Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 As if Braverman is back didn't she resign a week ago for a security breach? Has ministerial code changed since? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adam Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 What a line up. Shapps Williamson braverman and raab. Shower of shite. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 2 minutes ago, adam said: What a line up. Shapps Williamson braverman and raab. Shower of shite. Like a back 4 of Daley-Campbell, Vestergaard, Bennett and Bertrand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bellend Sebastian Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 11 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said: As if Braverman is back didn't she resign a week ago for a security breach? Has ministerial code changed since? It's been such a mental week I'd completely forgotten about that. Perhaps they were thinking everybody would have done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazzer 7 Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 11 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Shouldn't have to give him a chance when: a) he's got a pretty bad track record while as Chancellor and is one of the reasons we're in this mess, b) he's filling his cabinet with provably unpleasant, unsuccessful and untalented people, and c) not a single person in the UK voted for him. He as no mandate from the electorate, no mandate from his own party and therefore should call an immediate general election. Those who received generous furlough money and grants wouldn’t agree with you. You fail to concede that the printing of hundreds of billions to support such schemes is one of the principle reasons behind the current economic woes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 15 minutes ago, EnderbyFox said: As if Braverman is back didn't she resign a week ago for a security breach? Has ministerial code changed since? Her 'dream' is still alive then? 🤬🤬🤬 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said: Those who received generous furlough money and grants wouldn’t agree with you. You fail to concede that the printing of hundreds of billions to support such schemes is one of the principle reasons behind the current economic woes. Didn't Sunak says the reason he could do Furlough was because of the strong economic position the Tories had got the county in. Seems odd to now have to be scrambling for every penny down the back of the sofa and it being the cause of all our woes. Edited 25 October 2022 by Facecloth 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 17 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said: Those who received generous furlough money and grants wouldn’t agree with you. You fail to concede that the printing of hundreds of billions to support such schemes is one of the principle reasons behind the current economic woes. You're going to be fuming when you find out why the furlough had to be so "generous" in the first place... On 22/06/2022 at 11:54, urban.spaceman said: Sadly it's in an old closed thread but I've been pretty explicit on here before about how ****ing horrifically they handled it. They weren't prepared when it's government policy to be ready for something so likely as a pandemic, they spaffed billions of taxpayer's money up the wall on dodgy PPE, did dodgy deals with mates, failed to support the entertainment industry and self employed, went into every lockdown weeks too late which meant they had to go on longer, released vulnerable elderly people into care homes allowing the virus to spread and didn't support the homes, refused to feed starving children until Marcus Rashford forced a u-turn, didn't close the ****ing borders until ELEVEN MONTHS into the pandemic, he mocked Starmer in October 2020 for calling for an emergency circuit breaker lockdown for 2 weeks and then when things got out of hand we had to lock down for a full month in the November - then he ****ed up Christmas AND we were locked down until April 2021. I could go on, but the idea that they got the "big calls right" is what I took issue with mainly as it's utterly untrue and actually quite offensive. Whether Starmer would have lowered that figure is difficult to answer - but consider my last sentence in that paragraph about a circuit breaker lockdown and the following graph: This government's failures are directly responsible for the high number of deaths. This isn't even about hindsight as their own policy states they should have been better prepared for it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fazzer 7 Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 26 minutes ago, Facecloth said: Didn't Sunak says the reason he could do Furlough was because of the strong economic position the Tories had got the county in. Seems odd to now have to be scrambling for every penny down the back of the sofa and it being the cause of all our woes. I didn’t say it was the cause of *all our woes. But no country is going to print that much money without there being an economic impact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 Just now, Fazzer 7 said: I didn’t say it was the cause of *all our woes. But no country is going to print that much money without there being an economic impact. But according to Sunak he could do it because we were in such a strong position. So was he lying then or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 Braverman is a mistake. The rest look ok so far imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 Just now, Facecloth said: But according to Sunak he could do it because we were in such a strong position. So was he lying then or what? We could borrow the money cheaply because he’d done a decent job. That doesn’t mean we don’t have to pay it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 Just now, Facecloth said: But according to Sunak he could do it because we were in such a strong position. So was he lying then or what? I distinctly remember him saying something along the lines of "having to put ideology on hold" when announcing the furlough scheme. I'll try and find the transcript later Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daggers Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 4 hours ago, Daggers said: For me, the most welcome aspect of Sunak taking over is that government will be purged of these cranks. Well that optimism was pretty ****ing short-lived Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 10 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Braverman is a mistake. The rest look ok so far imo. Rumours of a Williamson return, so you might want to rethink that statement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoyleFox Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 Some surprise appointments in that cabinet. Can't help but wonder if a few are compromises for party unity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 Just now, FoyleFox said: Some surprise appointments in that cabinet. Can't help but wonder if a few are compromises for party unity. Yes, but was never going to be a centrist cabinet, had in part to contain a nod in other directions for the sake of unity as you say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Fox Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 5 minutes ago, Daggers said: Well that optimism was pretty ****ing short-lived It's quite surprising that people are surprised that a PM who has always been more right wing economically, socially and on immigration than the previous two useless PMs is appointing an even more right wing and useless cabinet than his predecessors. A cabinet of the talentless indeed. Or it could be merely a symptom of the lack of talent in the wider parliamentary party, that his options are pretty thin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 5 minutes ago, Facecloth said: Rumours of a Williamson return, so you might want to rethink that statement. Williamson has alway been hopeless. Having Braverman back will make a good target for Yvette Cooper 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickyblueeyes Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 54 minutes ago, Fazzer 7 said: Those who received generous furlough money and grants wouldn’t agree with you. You fail to concede that the printing of hundreds of billions to support such schemes is one of the principle reasons behind the current economic woes. Erm, I think even Johnson Govt during COVID (all of them) will not openly used their handily of the pandemic as a particularly career high point. Some catastrophic disasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Fox Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 I'm going to hate myself for writing this but I'm actually quite pleased to see Gove back at Levelling Up. He actually has some decent ideas on housing reform etc and made a decent start in role when he had it previously. He's an intellectual and political giant compared to most of the rest of the cabinet. Oh god what is happening to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxdiamond Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 2 minutes ago, Brizzle Fox said: I'm going to hate myself for writing this but I'm actually quite pleased to see Gove back at Levelling Up. He actually has some decent ideas on housing reform etc and made a decent start in role when he had it previously. He's an intellectual and political giant compared to most of the rest of the cabinet. Oh god what is happening to me. Ouch I have to agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facecloth Posted 25 October 2022 Share Posted 25 October 2022 2 minutes ago, Brizzle Fox said: I'm going to hate myself for writing this but I'm actually quite pleased to see Gove back at Levelling Up. He actually has some decent ideas on housing reform etc and made a decent start in role when he had it previously. He's an intellectual and political giant compared to most of the rest of the cabinet. Oh god what is happening to me. I think when people are starting see the likes of Gove, Hunt, Raab, Zahawi etc as comp competent government ministers shows how far the talent pool has fallen in the tory party. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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